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On the *tanker* board, perhaps. Across every server?

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Yes, Memphis. Tanker Tuesday exits on every U.S. server, and is referenced in every forum. Try a search of "Tanker Tuesday" on each of the server forums, if you don't believe me.

Champion: 39 references.
Freedom: 52 references.
Guardian: 6 references.
Infinity: 31 references.
Justice: 4 references.
Liberty: 4 references.
Pinnacle: 5 references.
Protector: 2 references.
Triumph Forum: 13 references.
Victory Forum: 23 references.
Virtue Forum: 73 references.

Now, for relevancy's sake, let's compare that to something else, like, say, I dunno, Repeat Offenders.

Champion: 5 references.
Freedom: 6 references.
Guardian: 0 references.
Infinity: 0 references.
Justice: 1 reference.
Liberty: 1 reference.
Pinnacle: 0 references.
Protector: 2 references.
Triumph Forum: 0 references.
Victory Forum: 0 references.
Virtue Forum: 7 references.

...as you can see, people discuss Tanker Tuesday by name over 10 times as much as Repeat Offenders, and every server discusses it. I wouldn't fib! Not to knock RO, but RO doesn't really have one tenth of the cross-server relevancy of Tanker Tuesday. There's just no comparison.

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Please show your search terms.

Mine:
"Tanker Tuesday" - including quotes for the full phrase, which will also include "Tanker tuesdayS" as it's a string search.
1 month
Subject and body
Server forums.

result:
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. Re: Mastermind mondays? Champion Kiloton 04/05/09 10:23 AM
. Re: Mastermind mondays? Champion WhiteHotFlash 04/04/09 11:50 PM
. Re: Mastermind mondays? Champion Hrist 04/04/09 07:05 PM
. Re: Mastermind mondays? Champion WhiteHotFlash 04/04/09 06:26 PM
. Re: Mastermind mondays? Champion Gulver 04/04/09 06:01 PM
. Re: Mastermind mondays? Champion Cobalt_Azurean 04/04/09 03:54 PM
. Re: Mastermind mondays? Champion ELF_STALKER 04/04/09 03:29 PM
. Re: Upcoming Tanker Tuesday April 2009 Champion Acemace 04/04/09 01:30 PM
. Re: Upcoming Tanker Tuesday April 2009 Champion Kiloton 04/04/09 10:23 AM
. Re: Upcoming Tanker Tuesday April 2009 Champion Major_Deej 04/03/09 03:09 PM
. Re: Upcoming Tanker Tuesday April 2009 Champion PantherShade 04/03/09 03:01 PM
. Re: Upcoming Tanker Tuesday April 2009 Champion prvtslacker 04/03/09 02:56 PM
. Re: Upcoming Tanker Tuesday April 2009 Champion Ashcraft 04/03/09 02:20 PM
. Re: Upcoming Tanker Tuesday April 2009 Champion Acemace 04/03/09 02:20 PM
. Re: Upcoming Tanker Tuesday April 2009 Champion FlamingIntern 04/03/09 01:28 PM
. Re: Upcoming Tanker Tuesday April 2009 Champion NetMinder 04/03/09 01:21 PM
. Re: Upcoming Tanker Tuesday April 2009 Champion Dinah_Might 04/03/09 01:10 PM
. Re: Upcoming Tanker Tuesday April 2009 Champion ElectroHawk 04/03/09 12:33 PM
. Re: Upcoming Tanker Tuesday April 2009 Champion Flatfoot 04/03/09 12:29 PM
. Re: Upcoming Tanker Tuesday April 2009 Champion Ashcraft 04/03/09 12:27 PM
. Re: Upcoming Tanker Tuesday April 2009 Champion prvtslacker 04/03/09 12:26 PM
. Upcoming Tanker Tuesday April 2009 Champion WittyLibrarian 04/03/09 12:12 PM
. Re: Championites: Saw this, thought of you. Champion Darzer 04/02/09 09:57 PM
. Re: SF leaving? Champion NetMinder 03/29/09 11:42 PM


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Your terms? I don't see them - and this would include replies, talking about it in the body, and signatures - mentioned anywhere but champion in the server forums in the past month.

Two months:
Three pages of results. Same terms.
Mentions not on Champion: Two.
Freedom:One mention by WittyLibrarian:
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Well, over on Champion we just did a Tanker Tuesday (first Tues. of every month) we get a good turnout for that...


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Victory: Grey_Pilgrim saying they may not make an event due to Tanker Tuesday. That's not discussion.

Three months, same terms:

Five pages. The only non-champion references being the two mentioned above.

Just for giggles, six months should be enough to show discussion, right?

Terms:
Search for "Tanker Tuesday" - with quotes, as always. You want the full phrase. Not separate searches for Tanker and Tuesday.
Search - Select all servers BUT Champion
Timeframe: Six months.
Subject and body.

Results:

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Re: Tuesday Teaming with ViV @ 830 PM EST #18 Victory Grey_Pilgrim 03/02/09 04:06 PM
. Re: So, what do you WANT exactly??? Freedom WittyLibrarian 02/04/09 10:47 AM
. Re: Tuesday Teaming with ViV @ 830 PM EST #8 Victory Grey_Pilgrim 12/02/08 02:26 PM
. Re: Interest in I13 Tuesday Teaming? Victory Grey_Pilgrim 10/15/08 12:32 PM


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That is IT, when Champion is filtered out of the mix. It's not even brought up monthly on another server, much less discussed.

... you were saying? Even with the forum purges (which is why the two year search I did returned the same results as above,) if it were as big an event as you were saying on every server, it should be more visible than this.

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I got your Guardian results by NOT including the quotes. Which means every reference of "Tanker" OR any reference of Tuesday will show up. "I have a Fire tanker" will show as a legit result, having nothing to do with tanker tuesdays. You MUST have the quotes to get the full phrase included in the search.

Here, for instance, is one of the "hits" on the search (under "April fools? No wai!" in Guardian, search term Tanker Tuesday, no quotes.)

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Congratulations!

Also: I have a Fire/Fire Tanker. Level 28. He's pretty hot >_>

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@Savannah Nightwolf 2 - Guardian

WarWitch's 2008 New Years Resolution: "Make some random forum goer’s sig." - Done!

Savannah Art Reference Sheet


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"Tanker" is what brought it up. Not Tanker Tuesdays. It's completely unrelated. (Edited again to give the ENTIRE quote, including signature, so you can see there's no mention of "Tanker Tuesday.")

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"Repeat Offenders" won't bring up every reference... as many times they're just referred to as RO. Unfortunately, searching on RO will bring up many irrelevant results, such as acRObatics, cROwbar and the like. (If it'll even search on two letters.) They're also referred to in their individual SGs that make up the entire RO network, such as Green Machine, Perfect Storm, Pinball Wizard, Faithful Fans of Fallout, T.R.I.C.K, and variations of the above (FFoF, PW, etc.)

OK, really, last edit:

A just for giggles search:

5 year search, Developer's Corner (since threads with rednames don't get purged,) "Tanker Tuesday" search, body and subject.

Results, in full:

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Re: Official: Custom Weapon Request Thread Developers Corner Gideon_F 11/30/07 07:26 PM


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And yet, despite a larger number of players affected, verifiably on multiple servers and both "sides" of the game (by way of them having active SG/VG branches in multiple servers and both sides) ... we still have, in this very thread, "Didn't they invent rad defenders or something?" by someone not involved with them.

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I'm not sure if this was taking offense to what I said, or some other reaction, but I didn't mean any offense by it. That is literally what I know about ROs. They ran 8 member Rad teams or something, and posted some videos of it on youtube I believe.
I was just trying to point out that its very hard to gauge popularity from personal knowledge.

I was basically trying to say the same thing that you said about seeing your model car everywhere after you just bought it.
It's not that they weren't there, it's that you just didn't see them because you weren't involved with it.

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Oh, no, no offense was taken. I was taking it, and using it, exactly like that. "Wait, what did they do again? I don't know. I think I heard of them somewhere, maybe."

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So are you for or against any sort of long-term Dev tribute regarding player events or the community?

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See Coyote, and previously mentioned examples.

I'm not *against* them. I am, however, of the belief that the prerequisites for something like this would have to be *very* - no, duplicate that very multiple times, increase font size, bold, italic, and underline - hard to meet.

Of everyone I can think of, Iacona (I know I spelled that wrong) and Arcanaville would probably make it in because of the work they've done, which really has directly impacted the game. (Proving certain inspirations aren't doing what they said, and the like, continually for years.)

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If you think this is grandstanding would you feel the same way if this was a request made firstly by the Repeat Offenders or Taxibots (both are worthy of merit btw imho)?

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Let me make this clear. I absolutely feel the accomplishment should be celebrated.

With that said, if the request were made tomorrow by the Taxibots or RO - I'd be asking them the same questions. Yes, the very groups I'm holding up to contrast to the event. Because despite RO's wider reach - likeI said, both sides, multiple ATs, and I *know* they run multiple servers - I'd still want them to prove they had enough of an impact to warrant more than a big party, mention in the CS, perhaps on the site under "Community" and the like.

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Or is it because the request was made for something you may possibly feel is not 'popular' enough (for lack of a better word)?

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See above. Like I said, and have said previously, I think the impression those who are pushing for this have OF its impact is overstated, because they're on the inside of it. From the outside, even with it running longer than I've been in the game... I almost never hear of them. And I'm obviously a regular on the boards!

How can you reconcile that with having a big impact on the game, big enough to be enshrined within it?

I haven't gotten a satisfactory answer to that. And as I pointed out, even with the groups I'm holding up to contrast it... I'd honestly have to say it'd be very hard to satisfy me to that standard.

Now, I know, I also mentioned Arcanaville, and who in game knows her or what she's done - but she has had that sort of an impact behind the scenes, enough that name recognition in the COH world at large is less of a consideration.

What I wouldn't argue with - and this isn't a list of "and/or" items, I mean the entire package:
- The aforementioned "party." Devs, announcements, titles, temp powers, the works to celebrate. Celebrate in game.
- Announcement on the updater for the above.
- City Scoop feature, linked FROM the updater (bringing more people in - maybe on the 10th anniversary, it really WILL be a regular event on every server then!)
- Adding to the website, under "Community" as a featured "spotlight," permanently, Tanker Tuesdays as an example of a community run event.
- NPC dialog, mixed in with the rest of the random sayings.
- For the month of October, they're what the Newsies are talking about. They're in the rotation. Possibly for September, as well. Preempted only if there's something like a new issue due at that time, and they get rotated in with them.

... and that's where I'd stop.

I know, it sounds a bit odd to let the NPCs talk about it when I'm not sold on a plaque. It's a "feel" of... I dont' know how to put it, enshrinement? with a plaque... that last step takes that just doesn't feel right to me just yet. And honestly, I think having it on the site under "community" would do more good than the plaque itself. You could give the information you want, without worrying about how it sounds "in the game world."

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So, again - how is it different than the entire Repeat Offenders network, which shows people how to really tap into the power of almost any defender - as well as tanks and other ATs - and does it continually? Sounds like that's even more of a contribution than one AT on one server, once a month.

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This isn't a competition- you're free to suggest some sort of recognition for the Repeat Offenders, or the Taxibots, or whomever.

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It's not about being a competition. If you're reading that, you're missing the point.

What makes this so different and unique that it deserves THIS kind of recognition, as opposed to the devs showing up, titles, etc. as they do with other in game events?

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And yet... isn't that what's happening here? How much of the playerbase knows about, much less *participates* in, the event?

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It's across every server. Definitely a mainstay on the forum boards.

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On the *tanker* board, perhaps. Across every server?

I know when the taxibots are doing a tour on Infinity, if I'm there.
I know when RO is doing their stuff. They're doing it all the time.

I have never heard of Tanker Tuesday the entire time I levelled my forum-namesake in Pinnacle. I've never heard of it on Victory, with two other tanks, where I'd obviously have a vested interest in participating. Or on Virtue. Or Justice. Or... well, any server, honestly, and obviously if I'm playing on tuesday, I'd have to be on one of them.

If they're doing it on every server, they're *awfully* quiet about it. And even the original posting mentions champion.

Having people from different servers go to Champion to participate is not the same as doing it on every server.


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How? How does it support the game as a whole any more than another server having Hami raids at a certain day/time? Or mothership raids? Or, yes, Repeat Offenders usual get togethers (most days, honestly, with specific groups "hosting" different days each week?) Or the Taxibots doing their tours?

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Because it's five years of training people to play an AT well. Those are all fun activities; this is players encouraging more gaming by direct tutelage, with little-to-no Developer support.

This is just my opinion unless seconded, but for my money, that's much more significant than learning how to beat Hami/Ukon or TPing people across the Hollows pre-fix.

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So, again - how is it different than the entire Repeat Offenders network, which shows people how to really tap into the power of almost any defender - as well as tanks and other ATs - and does it continually? Sounds like that's even more of a contribution than one AT on one server, once a month.


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Thing is, the same can be said for any of the other events I mentioned, or any of the other groups.

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I respectfully disagree, Memphis. It can't, for the distinction I just gave. While I think Taxiboting could be the next in line to receive some kind of recognition, neither Hami raiding or RWZ raiding has had the community effect that Tanker Tuesday has had, for as long.

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... yet it (raiding, especially mothership) brings together as many people from *all* ATs for a different sort of teaming, with an overall goal in mind. How many people have gotten the urge to play a Mastermind from watching one on a ship raid - or a tank, or blaster, or decided to go into a support class?

And again - RO for contrast.

I haven't heard anyone - even in the times I've BEEN on Champion - talk up Tanker Tuesdays, or say something (in team) like "hey, great tanking" "Thanks, gotten better since going to TT" or anything similar. So I must argue that the "community effect" is smaller on the outside than it may seem on the inside. Maybe that's just a word of mouth or visibility thing... but really, I never hear *of* it in game, barely hear of it on the boards... it's been so invisible it makes Stalkers envious from where I sit.

Yes, someone may say "Well, that's because you haven't participated in it." This is true. But don't you think somone would mention it if it had that big of an impact and I were playing a tank? Or mention it in team, either to the tank or "Duh, of course we don't have one, it's Tanker Tuesday, they're all busy!"

I'm saying, in other words, that you who participate and have run this thing see it as bigger or having more of an impact than it has for the same reason that when people buy a new car, they suddenly notice all the others of that type on the road. It's not that everyone has suddenly bought the same kind of car, it's that you're seeing the rest of your "group."

(And just to be clear to anyone reading, again, as much as I'm arguing all this, I'm not trying to diminish the accomplishment.)

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I did a newspaper bank this morning and it was great and I thought "hey, this should be how Mayhems are done!"

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Um... Mayhems replaced those. Not kidding. Bunch of civilians running everywhere, pushing you around? They were, if not universally, than highly hated. The day we got Mayhems instead, you could hear fireworks. it took weeks to clean up all the confetti.

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Plaques and statues have long been suggested to commemorate the passing of people who touched our community in some way. In those cases, the requests were ignored, and with good reason: it sets a really bad precedent to add to the appearance of the city a very specific tribute that only a fraction of people see meaning in, just because players make some noise.

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Bolding mine.

And yet... isn't that what's happening here? How much of the playerbase knows about, much less *participates* in, the event?

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This, however, is vastly different. It commemorates something that the community did that helped support the game as a whole.

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How? How does it support the game as a whole any more than another server having Hami raids at a certain day/time? Or mothership raids? Or, yes, Repeat Offenders usual get togethers (most days, honestly, with specific groups "hosting" different days each week?) Or the Taxibots doing their tours?


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And it honors anyone who has ever done a Tanker Tuesday before, while equally honoring anyone who may do one in the future. It's cross-server and it has meaning for anyone who chooses to associate with it.

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Thing is, the same can be said for any of the other events I mentioned, or any of the other groups. Just given the size of the Repeat Offenders network, covering both hero and villainside, I can say with reasonable certainty they've affected more people (including tanks - they have a dedicated group for them, as well) than a single Tanker-themed event that happens once a month.

And yet, despite a larger number of players affected, verifiably on multiple servers and both "sides" of the game (by way of them having active SG/VG branches in multiple servers and both sides) ... we still have, in this very thread, "Didn't they invent rad defenders or something?" by someone not involved with them.

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I guess you can't read every forum all the time, but if you played the game and read the updater the month before the 3rd anniversary, Oct. 2007, you would know what Tanker Tuesday is about.

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Tell me what was on the updater one year ago this week.

What, you don't pay attention to and remember absolutely everything that shows up there?

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I guess you can't read every forum all the time, but if you played the game the month before the 3rd anniversary, Oct. 2007, you would know what Tanker Tuesday is about.

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*raises hand*

See my reg date? Been playing since about a week before that, continuously.

Your assumption is incorrect.

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Tanker Tuesday has announced itself in the Tanker, and Champion forums every month without fail


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... and if you don't read either of those, or read them only occasionally? I've (obviously) hopped into the tanker forums - not as much as Kheld, for instance, but you'll still find posts of mine there - and no, it's not first thing on my mind, or one of the first things (or any thing) that I've noticed.

I don't hear about them in game, and they get drowned out by everything else here. So if you catch it, and remember, sure you know about it. But just "If you've been her esince..." well, no, that doesn't mean you know.

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There is "tight" security and there is "cause mass hysteria in the public, robbery already in progress" security.

I can tell you it was a very rude surprise the first time I ran a Mayhem. We got our rears kicked royally, even the second time when we brought along a supposed veteran to show us how it was supposed to be done. It was nothing like I thought it would be because it's nothing like a real bank heist would go off. The safeguard is much more realistic in that regard.

Even now, when I have the hang of it, I dislike them. It seems wrong to fight your way to the bank. 99% of bank robberies start with the hold-up inside the bank. COV has it backwards.

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Mostly continuing this for the sake of discussion at this point, I know.

But - how many spontaneous bank robberies *are* there, honestly? Convenience store holdups I could believe. "Yo, we need some cash and booze, you got a gun? Let's knock the 7-11 over." Any time I hear about a bank robbery there's some degree of planning ahead of time. Checking out the bank and whatnot. Any of which could leak or be noticed, causing the heightened security - and yeah, I'd say if you were dealing with someone of a COV-player-character's level power, you'd bring out bigger guns.

Now, if it's the *display* shown, yeah, that's a touch much. If you were heading over to rob a bank and saw police cars out front with barricades and all, I'd assume in RL you'd call it off. Then again - you're running around town able to suckerpunch a car and make it explode, so it may not seem like a big obstacle in that case.


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But alternative ending or not, having to fight past security all the way to the vault, destroy the vault, grab the loot, and then defeat a Hero-led counter attack is STILL 100% more than the heroes have to do in the Safeguard. All you have to do there is defeat the guys holding the public hostage in the front room then wait for the villains with the loot to come to you.

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And I'd argue it's not necessarily easier - especially with a big enough team to get an AV, dpeending on team makeup. You have five minutes at most to get to the bank. You cannot extend that time in any way, shape, or form. The bank robbery will start.

In a Mayhem, if the hero takes you down? No big deal. Break out of jail, fight a bit more - if there's someone else in there (jailbreak mission,) you can even get more time added so you succeed. Need even more time? Blow stuff up on your way.

Safeguard? I hated both the Tsoo with all the slows, and having to face... I forget the elec/elec brute. If you're sent to the hospital, you have to rush back and try to catch the person between the bank and their getaway vehicle. If they or any of their companions escape, you fail. You must defeat them, and have no way of increasing the time. (the time increases are for the overall time limit, so you can do the side missions afterward.)

Heck, when they were first beta'd, it was worse. Didn't stop those vandals? You lost time. Imagine how unpopular Safeguards would be had the devs left that little feature in. Fortunately, they listened to the folks complaining about it and changed it before it went live.

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How about this... how about a sunny day once in a while?

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tell me about it. How about press-ganging some of the vagrants - or just ordering the military - and cleaning the junk from the streets?

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TT has been held once every month in the same location for half a decade, as a cross server, cross sg event.

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But there just are no other events that have run that long, that consistently, with cross server support, regardless of sg affiliations, or with any of the player vaildation listed in OP, and are still popular.


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OK. For the sake of the discussion itself, let's clear up "Cross server." (Note I'm not trying to start an argument here, mostly making sure everyone's on the same page and completely clear on what's being said.)

I'm reading "I made a character on Champion to run there." To me that is not "cross server." The membership may be, the event is not, *strictly on that statement.* The event that has run continuously for this time (as mentioned in the OP) is strictly a Champion event.

For me, a cross server event is similar to the Rikti dropship raids that someone attempted to organize a ways back - compete across the servers, which server can take down the most, that sort of thing. Or the Mr/Ms Paragon/Rogue Isles event, where there are winners on each server that then (as I understand it) compete to be the overall finalist. (Or where they did, at one time.)

Now, I'm also hearing "it sometimes runs on Infinity and somewhere else," but those don't, from the sound of it, seem to have the run of the Champion event. If I'm mistaken, feel free to clear that up, I'm going solely by what it sounds like.

Or, to give a (completely made up, AFAIK) example:

Arena league on Test is not cross server in their matches. It's people copying characters over to test and playing/practicing, but it's held on test. (Again, from my understanding of them.) Cross server participation, yes, cross server event, no.

A PVP event where each server determines champion teams, and those teams are copied to test for a final showdown - that would be "cross server" (again, to me.)

I'm strictly wanting to make sure of what's being said.

Nice to see Alex mentioned in the artist section. He's great to work with, and usually fast. (In point of fact, one of his pieces I commissioned is the source of my current forum avatar. Full image here.)

He's one of the few people I *highly* recommend almost immediately if someone asks for an artist.

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What kind? My own tastes tend to waver between old-fashioned and strawberry frosted with sprinkles.

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With sprinkles, obviously.

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I don't see how this'd make Energy Assault not suck, it'd help in far too few situations (Master Illusionists and Fake Nemesis are pretty much the only two... maybe a misc Crey boss occasionally).

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Fake nems are in PFF, not considered in Phase, I believe. Just "Affecting Self." And honestly, EM handles them nicely with stacked stuns. Not *AS* nicely as, say, Superstrength with all the knockup/down/around, but still pretty decently.

Overall, it's such an incredibly limited situation I don't see it being added.

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I suppose it depends on if you consider Tanker Tuesday an event or an organization.

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Can I consider it a donut?

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1) START in the bank lobby. It would be very similar to the Newspaper bank heist (which I like) but more intense. Do the heist, defeat the hero and his lackeys, done. Go out on what's left of your timer to get the rest of the goodies and cause some mayhem if you like. Alternatively make escaping to the get-away vehicle the next goal after robbing the bank.

I mean, what's up with the police already having a blockade up around the bank? It's like you were setup to take a fall, betrayed by someone most likely your broker or Arachnos. Why would I ever trust my broker, or any broker, ever again? It's insane.


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I'm just not fond of this. I mean, as far as the police having a barricade, read what your broker says - they've been watching the bank and they suspect something's up. Of COURSE security's going to be tighter. Starting *in* the bank would just make no sense to me - and really remove quite a bit of the fun.

That aside, let's mix:
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2) Have other ways to get contacts than running Mayhem missions.


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3) More "opportunity" contacts.


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I'm not against non-main-storyline contacts and opportunity contacts. I support the idea pretty much any time it comes up with more than one braincell used in it. But how about this for an extra:

For any arms deal, pawn shop or kidnap you complete - anything you'd "walk away with" something, except the main bank mission - you have a chance at opening up a "mini-arc," another crime of opportunity. No book-labeled arcs, just something fun, or something that takes you into a side bit of Rogue Isles history. It'd be (to me) more interesting if they could chain together, but people would hate (and I think I'd agree) finding they'd missed some part of it.

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You're forgetting that a hilarious forum meme became an honest-to-god badge, Bill.

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This is true, my mistake. So we're up to three things brought in.

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Actually, I was going to edit my post to point out that said badge makes no personal reference to the meme's creator. So.. *shrug*

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Well, TBH, neither does the Tanker Tuesday suggestion. It just mentions the event (unless I need to re-read the post,) so I wouldn't really put that as for or against it.

Just me.

Edit: With mention of Ascendant, actually, comes a thought. Why NOT NPC dialog in place of a plaque? No, I'm not sure what they'd say, and it wouldn't be in "just" one place - but the second might be a point in its favor.

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... they are? They aren't even on my stalkers, to me...

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You're forgetting that a hilarious forum meme became an honest-to-god badge, Bill.

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This is true, my mistake. So we're up to three things brought in.

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What about pvpec and pveec? (I think thats what it is called), or the Repeat offenders, or any of the major pvp sgs (wait, they are all gone now.... ) Where do we draw the line? Cause those may not have run as long but I'm pretty sure that they are much more widely known (based on I've heard about those a while ago and I'm only hearing about Tanker Tuesday know). If anything IIRC the reps from the pvpec and the pveec (correct me if I'm callin em by the wrong name) only got a special title.... that should be about it if it was to be done for Tanker Tuesdays.

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I think everything should be evaluated on a case by case basis and then ruled upon. I don’t think anyone can point to a player event (in the history of COX) which has had more longevity and success then Tanker Tuesday. And seriously folks we are talking about a tiny little plaque here as a form of recognition for what truly is a remarkable accomplishment if you think about it.

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But what determines that success and whether or not it merits ingame recognition? Members of Tanker Tuesday or whatever event/group/w/e that people want to have? The number of people that have heard about it or participate? The length? How long it has been around? I don't think case by case works because.... well people are biased and will go "Oh snap! I belong to that group! /signed x100000000000000". I forgot the rest of my point.

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Q_A does have a point here. Honestly, at which point does it *stop?*

I've heard of the Repeat Offenders (and played with them for a time) long before I heard of Tanker Tuesday. There's the Legion of Catgirls. As SG and coalitions, they've been around... oh, I think I was hearing about both not long after *I* started, a bit over four years ago. Heck, *My* SG on Pinnacle, as quiet as it is, was created and has been active for most of that time - should I start pushing for a plaque for us when we hit five years? We existed before there were bases to have, after all... and so have many other groups.

Now, some might say "But that's not the same as keeping an event running..." No, you're right. My SG being alive has to do with *anyone* being there, paying rent, etc. LoC and RO, or even the taxibots, are much bigger efforts.

It reminds me, honestly, of the occasional "Give 50s a statue!" or even "Give so and so a statue!" comments that come up on occasion - first, who even knows, these people (and yes, I'm willing to bet I can go onto most servers and just broadcast "Who can tell me about Tanker Tuesday?" and get dead silence or "wha lol" back more often than not,) and second - not just "where do we put it" singularly, but "where do we put them all?"

Yes, a plaque takes up less room than a statue, that's not my point, nor is the fact there are fewer events/SGs than players. It *is* a server event (and I say that not from the standpoint of "What about my server," as I play to varying amounts on them all,) and that must be kept in mind... as well as the question, do we want this door, or potential floodgate, opened? And if we came up with unbiased guidelines... would TT meet them?

Of all player... well, *anything*... that's gone on, what's truly become immortalized in the game? Coyote, the trainer, for the player who died during beta, and a mention by some NPCs of Ascendant. Nothing since, that I can think of. How many people even know that? Or, to bring this back around... how many would know of tanker tuesday, if they ran across said plaque?

While I'm sure it's fun for those involved... has it really made a massive difference in the game world? If we go by that measure, I'd argue Arcanaville deserves one more than TT. Of course, by that measure, the others that have are questionable.

Right Click - Info.

OK, not what you mean, and it'd actually go well with that (That's needed, what for... right click, "Oh.")

I've got to admit my experience is more often like Tripp's. I'll get the occasional team that wants to rush through, but usually we'll watch for sides. About the only time that's *not* true is with the Tsoo - being slowed to a standstill just isn't fun.

My main issue with attaching an accolade (other than the one you mentioned - I don't think people should end up with two of them, but that's neither here nor there) is potentially that they're not able to be "gone back and gotten." You can't Ouro the missions, you need to track down a lowbie that's running them when you want to do them. Minor (to me) issue, but it's still there.

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Even though I'm all for drama, calling people out for stuff like that is kind of dirty pool, and might possibly be against the EULA for the forums.

EDIT: And, indeed, it's a violation of Rule 4.

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You sure?

The way I read that, it's basically "Don't publicize anything between Cryptic/NCSoft/Mods/Devs and you that was said off the forum (incluing PM) without permission."

Might be because of the "NC Interactive ("Ncsoft") members" phrasing, I end up reading that as "Anyone working for NCSoft in any capacity, even on other games or in other divisions," since "forum users" is listed seperately (as in "communication between the aforementioned groups and forum users.")

It's odd wording.

I was about to say I didn't know if ESD would "fit," but honestly it looks like an Electric-flavored Stalagmites. Not sure about keeping the teleport part, but having it isn't what I'd call a dealbreaker.

Well, shocking grasp (singular) is melee range... move tesla cages down. Create a... I don't want to call it "stun field," but it's as good a name as any - AOE Knockdown with end drain while anything's in the field.

As for the pet... Sparky's all right for the blasters, but how about a pair of Cap-style Gremlins instead? VS is a very, *very* limited pet.