M_I_Abrahms

Hell no. I've said repeatedly that Cole is not in the right. But that does not justify genocide. Nothing does.

So, you are OK with them killing everyone in that city? That's an acceptable idea for you?

EDIT: Actually, I have a question for the Crusader supporters. Let's say your plans succeed, and Utopia city is now a smoldering shell, and everyone inside is dead. How, exactly, is any of this supposed to destroy Cole's empire, when he can simply fly to the next largest populated city on the planet, and ask for greater controls over the populous, to prevent the tragedy which has just happened from repeating itself?

Cole himself is OK with letting Arachnos waste a third of his city because he can use it to further demonize the Resistance. Your characters have to disobey his orders to prevent the destruction from happening. So, how is the great Crusader plan supposed to work if it's NOT genocide?

Won't argue that. He's still trying to make sure the species doesn't go extinct. I honestly can't say the same for the Crusaders.

The point remains, Cole's ultimate goal is the preservation of Humanity, much like animals in the zoo. The Crusaders are willing to cast the entire city into the abyss.

Remember, EvilGeko has thrown in with the Crusaders. If he's OK with them killing millions, then Cole killing thousands probably doesn't phase him.

Yeah, I'll agree that this does take a bit away from the setting. Though, it's not as hard to believe that a populous would enjoy a lifestyle similar to the one presented in Praetoria. No wars, no crime (to speak of), no economic crisis, no menial labor, no hunger issue, no homelessness issue (hard to have that with a severely lessened populous. Yeah there are rumors of the government doing bad things, but there's a willingness to disbelieve really bad stuff about your government without proof, and those that HAVE proof are in no shape to show it to anyone.

Actually, all four alignments can team up for the Task Force itself, it's just that unless the Rikti hit one zone on each side afterward, there's a possibility that your friend may end up running the TF, only to be unable to participate in the actual invasion.

And speaking of which, when was the last major invasion? Aren't we about due for another?

It's nothing more or less than mass murder in my eyes. The murder of every man, woman and child in the entire city. Just because someone is killing people does not mean you can justify killing more, just to deny them victims.

...that would be everyone.

I'm saying that ANY course other than the extermination of humanity is preferable. And yes, it is futile for a lone Loyalist to attack the regime. I will not argue that. KILLING EVERYONE IS NOT THE NEXT LOGICAL STEP.

Answering the wrong question, here. I asked if they warned the people that the Resistance was about to engage in wholesale slaughter. Did they tell the people that the Resistance was about to reprogram the Clockwork to slaughter them, so they can get the children out of the way. Did they tell the people that the Resistance was about to set off a Neutron bomb in Nova, so they can get the children out of the city?

Actually, 'turning the weapon the other way' would have them pointing at the government officials, not the drugged sheep.

And the second Nuke was the Neutropolis power plant, which powers the Sonic Shields. Should Cole have that dismantled, as well?

Here is where we must disagree, then. The Resistance have made it clear that their final goal, if nothing else, is the complete genocide of Utopia. No matter what, that I CANNOT abide.

NOT KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE would be a great friggin' start. Whatever your plan, whatever your tactics, when you turn YOUR weapons on the unarmed, and participate in whole sale slaughter, whatever your goals may have been becomes irrelevant.

By killing the people of Utopia you are doing nothing but proving Tyrant's point, that if he relinquishes any of his control, the only freedom he's giving back is the freedom for humanity to destroy itself.

Actually, when I started my Responsibility Loyalist, I had every intention of taking him evil. In fact he was to be my main character's evil counterpart. However, after running him all the way through the Responsibility track, I found that sending him to the Isles would require him to have a complete personality overhaul. Meanwhile, in Paragon:

• He will continue to save people from the Freakshow, just like he protected them from the Resistance.
• He will continue to save people from the Tsoo and the Family like he protected them from the Syndicate.
• He will continue to save people from the Council's machines, just like he protected them from the Clockwork the Resistance had reprogrammed.

Golden Girl asked earlier if our Responsibility Loyalists would shut down the evil parts of the Utopian government. I think at this point, M I A probably would. However, it's become a question of priorities. Before we can take down the government that kills SOME of the people, it's far more important to take down the terrorists who are trying to kill EVERYONE. They've tried to nuke two-thirds of the city. And their actions toward the survivors aren't that family friendly, either.

EvilGeko, I remember what turned you against the Loyalists in Beta - it was the Seer program drafting teenagers - excuse me, children - and what happens to them while in the program. So, now I have something to ask you. Did you see anywhere that the Resistance was going to warn people about the multiple nuclear strikes, "so they can get their children out of harms way"? Did you see any similar warning about the Hospital bombing? What about the rampaging Clockwork, did anyone "think of the children" there? Or when the Ghouls were set to rampage across the streets?

Is Tilman evil? Without a doubt. But as long as they are alive in the Seer program they still have a chance. We have proof of that in the Crusader arc itself. However, the children that are fed to the Ghouls? The ones vaporized in the destruction of Nova and Neutropolis? Even in a world of comic book heroes, these people aren't coming back.

It's even better when you see the NPC say "I'm sick of running from these freaks!" as he takes off.

It was the Deviantart site. At least I have an active, registered anti-virus program that seems to have caught it in time, though. EDIT: Watching it repeatedly block a new IP address, and I have it running a scan currently.

Yeah, it's not the mines we have to worry about. It's being enslaved DJs on Skynet radio. Trust me on this.

I doubt that's the case. We've got a couple folks in this thread talking about seeing their doppelgangers use powers higher than the mission level. Something I can confirm after seeing the Spider pets on the Posi run I took my Wolf Spider on.

I'm thinking if Thugs/Dark was going to have access to fluffy, then they'd have it at any level you'd face them at.

Not as much as you'd think, depending on the secondary. NPC Masterminds don't get the benefit of Bodyguard, and the pets croak when then Clone dies. Just sit by the door, and send in your own pets targeted on one specific Clone. Clone goes down fairly easy, as long as you didn't bump them up to Boss status. Retreat to shed agro from the others. Repeat.

Only died the once from the initial swarm, and even then I was able to wipe two of them before it happened.

Heh, yeah that was an oddity for me as well, when I ran the mission on my Bots/Traps mastermind. I know the character is supposed to be a genius, but for them to have their own armies of Robots mere minutes after being popped out of the clone chambers is...impressive, to say the least.

Though I was a little sad to see that the clones were Bots/Devices, instead.

There's one difference between the two scenarios: You will generally only see certain names reworked with punctuation, leet speak, or intentional typos. (though, some names, such as my own, may suffer unintentional typos) However, a system where Global names are visible would effect EVERY name no matter how many people may have it.