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Well, it would not have been a flop with reduced xp. It would have been less used yes, but we would have less farm maps. (I see that as a win).
I'd rather have that then removal of more factions and things in general, cause the Devs are responding instead of acting to what they don't like.

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Remove or lower the xp to any great extent and see what's left, you are kidding yourself if you think the MA would still be popular.


Edit, as always JD explained that better than me above.

It was given full xp to make sure it was a success and widely used.

They couldnt have wasted that much time on something then have it flop could they.

Thats why i cant see them reducing the xp, just my opinion of course.

I aint got a clue what will be in it, i just hope it dont turn into another "soon" epic.

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Anyway that asside, i dont hate everything, thats why you dont see me with a leaving post every 3 months.

There was a time i was very enthusiastic about this game. These last few issues have just sadly not had much in them for me.

But dont let me stop you loving it all.

Edit. Now i think about it, iv never said anything about hating this game or the bulk of the players anywhere.

I think its a great game run by a bad company, with little that i liked in the last year.

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sidefrom I 16 looking pretty good, I can help but noticing its farmers paradise.

Now, on the one hand, im VERY happy that this will mean the end of "Fill plz" requests, and MA may actually be used as intended.

But, its going to have an impact on themarkets. Who knows how much? I supsect inbetween trivial and devestating.

Personally, im getting very confused on the Devs attitude towards Farmers. If they really are going to give all the cream to them, as Issue 16 threatens, I know a lot of people who are going to be pretty upset (translation = lost subscribers, how many up for debate of course). I'm one of them forwhats it worth. To be honest, farmers/farming are, to me, the coffin nail in a game if they reach a critical mass.

Can anyone enlighten me what actually IS the vision of the devs with regards to farmers?

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LOL, cream ? what cream? This is another [censored] off issue with nothing in if you dont care about the colour of imps.

I tell you what iv had out of the last 3 issues, 1 TF, 1 SF, They took a full 3 hours to do both, and a few decent MA farms.

Dont talk about cream.

If there was something new to do, i know a lot of farmers who would become ex farmers or at worst, part time farmers.

Moan about something decent, the devs added this so called QoL feature for people like you.

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Do you really fail to realise that this is all added to compete with Champions Online mostly. All the engine upgrades are things that are needed to upgrade the game itself. Something new content will never do.

If you care about the game progress you would see that.

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And do you fail to see that more people play this game to do content, than play with the colours of blasts?

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The content to a new player is huge in this game. Even so that you will probably outlevel 1/4 of it without ever realising it.. and without power levelling.

But if the game is not upgraded it will never survive the coming competition.. meaning it will then be closed or emty within two years. Then you would have no content or co-players to worry about.

Think about the big picture and not about you own back yard.

I rather have 20 new subs and you leaving then the other way around and I am sure that marketing thinks the same.

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Sadly this game stopped getting new players in any great numbers some years ago, so that makes your theory redundant.

Perhaps they should think about keeping what they have, because lets have it right, if someone is going to start playing a super hero game, which are they going to choose, a 5 year old new game, or a new new game.

There's a big picture for you.


Anyway if you like i16, i think thats great, me i'd rather have had something new to do.

Horses for courses and all that.

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sidefrom I 16 looking pretty good, I can help but noticing its farmers paradise.

Now, on the one hand, im VERY happy that this will mean the end of "Fill plz" requests, and MA may actually be used as intended.

But, its going to have an impact on themarkets. Who knows how much? I supsect inbetween trivial and devestating.

Personally, im getting very confused on the Devs attitude towards Farmers. If they really are going to give all the cream to them, as Issue 16 threatens, I know a lot of people who are going to be pretty upset (translation = lost subscribers, how many up for debate of course). I'm one of them forwhats it worth. To be honest, farmers/farming are, to me, the coffin nail in a game if they reach a critical mass.

Can anyone enlighten me what actually IS the vision of the devs with regards to farmers?

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LOL, cream ? what cream? This is another [censored] off issue with nothing in if you dont care about the colour of imps.

I tell you what iv had out of the last 3 issues, 1 TF, 1 SF, They took a full 3 hours to do both, and a few decent MA farms.

Dont talk about cream.

If there was something new to do, i know a lot of farmers who would become ex farmers or at worst, part time farmers.

Moan about something decent, the devs added this so called QoL feature for people like you.

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Do you really fail to realise that this is all added to compete with Champions Online mostly. All the engine upgrades are things that are needed to upgrade the game itself. Something new content will never do.

If you care about the game progress you would see that.

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And do you fail to see that more people play this game to do content, than play with the colours of blasts?

Its anonther FFFridayyyy FFFarmmmmming thread, gonna be a hot one!!!!

Can someone start the weekend power leveling one so we are good to go.

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In retrospect I should have changed thread title.

The question is: Does anyone know what the Dev's "Vision" regarding farming is?

I ask in light of upcoming issue 16, which I think everyone agrees has profound implications for farmers.

(The argument abount farmers good/bad and market effects is probably for another thread).

I'm not going to impose my veiws on farming on everyone else, but I would like to know the philosophy of the game regarding farmers, because it will feed into the equation of how long I stay in it (and others too).

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If things are as bad as you portray, you are in the minority by not farming, so you might as well get your head round it.

Or start campaigning for a bit of content, so there is something new to do.

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I hate this whole anti farming stance the devs take...
We pay our subs, we should be able to play as we see fit.

Do they dislike players having level 50's or something??
I mean what other game to you know that activley spends man hours preventing it's customers doing something that they enjoy.

They spend time trying to fill farming holes... and in turn create bugs aswell!! Cossie creator is now knackard, there are no animations for weapons, wings, or auras now.

I mean FFS, What gives!

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They're more anti MA PLing, than farming - it's the MA they're protecting.
I think they're prepared to turn a blind eye to some PLing - like they never put a entry cap of 5+/10+ on the sewers, or a 40+ entry cap on PI, or nerfed fire/kins into the ground - but getting a 50 in a few hours in the MA is not something they want to be possible - the MA is a very special new feature of the game, and they want it to work properly.

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Thats right.... and when its finally working how they want it, the 4 people still using it will be buzzing.

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sidefrom I 16 looking pretty good, I can help but noticing its farmers paradise.

Now, on the one hand, im VERY happy that this will mean the end of "Fill plz" requests, and MA may actually be used as intended.

But, its going to have an impact on themarkets. Who knows how much? I supsect inbetween trivial and devestating.

Personally, im getting very confused on the Devs attitude towards Farmers. If they really are going to give all the cream to them, as Issue 16 threatens, I know a lot of people who are going to be pretty upset (translation = lost subscribers, how many up for debate of course). I'm one of them forwhats it worth. To be honest, farmers/farming are, to me, the coffin nail in a game if they reach a critical mass.

Can anyone enlighten me what actually IS the vision of the devs with regards to farmers?

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LOL, cream ? what cream? This is another [censored] off issue with nothing in if you dont care about the colour of imps.

I tell you what iv had out of the last 3 issues, 1 TF, 1 SF, They took a full 3 hours to do both, and a few decent MA farms.

Dont talk about cream.

If there was something new to do, i know a lot of farmers who would become ex farmers or at worst, part time farmers.

Moan about something decent, the devs added this so called QoL feature for people like you.

Oh well roll on GR.

Or plugging the barrels of both guns, and self destructing

Yea that problem is alive and kicking.

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I dont think the MA should have ever been released at all.

But now it is, i think the poxy thing might as well get left alone because the bulk of the people who use it, seem to like it as it is.


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I'm sure the CoP was also popular with some players, but that didn't mean it should have been left alone by the devs

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That dragged into 2 lines.

Anyway talking about a TF with a very low level of participation and this are very diffent, try and find a decent comparison.

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Forget everything else, just remove that and the percieved PL problem in the MA is gone.

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For now, the majority? No. Nerf fire/kin BIG time and all will be quiet for a long long time.

No normal player will scream about it, merely those who use fire/kin for a reason, and that aint doing missions 'the normal way'.

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Im not sure if we agree on all this or not.

Here is all im trying to say.

I dont think the MA should have ever been released at all.

But now it is, i think the poxy thing might as well get left alone because the bulk of the people who use it, seem to like it as it is.

I also dont agree with all the percieved PL problems, because getting a noob in a team aint a big thing.

And as for people getting bored quick and leaving... well its 5 years old and [censored] happens.

Iv been saying for 2 years they should concentrate on keeping the customers they have now.

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If thats the case, might I suggest a scientific experiment!

Head down to your local sports ground, challenge the local football team to a game, then you and your team play by picking the ball up the running with it...

Then call the other team the "Righteous you must play this way crowd" :P

Seriously, if the intent of an MMO was to get to 50 in a weekend, then things like the bugged CoP trial wouldn't have had to be removed. The game is DESIGNED to take time to play, which is why development time is spent on researching the XP curve etc rather than adding a computer in Atlas that you can click to insta-50.

If the MA were to be kept in beta until such time as there are no PL bugs, either there would be no XP given for missions or it would still be in Beta because guess what, lazy swines are always going to try and cheat the system.

I would rather have the current system and a major cricket bat round the face to those abusing it than no system at all.

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No power level bugs?

If you see auto sk'ing as just a bug you are as deluded as the people that released it. Because it is that alone that has caused all this.


Forget everything else, just remove that and the percieved PL problem in the MA is gone.

Of course most of the people using it will be gone too, along with whoever ups and leaves, but its all good.

Sometimes when you have made a [censored] up, you have to live with it. I mean this company should be used to that by now.

This is nothing like a TF removal by the way.

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No, the devs have thrown the toys out of the pram because their precious addition to this game has turned round and bitten them.

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Actually the devs precious addition has worked and players have done abused that addition resulting in the current situation.

It's kind of like having a Radio Controlled Tank that fires BB's, and then whining when you look down the barrel and press fire. Do the Devs force you to PL in a weekend? No they don't so blaming them is pointless.

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^ This
Seriously, the pro-PL crowd in this thread, without any pre-judgement here, do come across as a really whiny crowd.
It's a problem, it's been stated as a problem, and a number of the playerbase see it as a problem.

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Which thread are you reading?

Im just sick of the same old [censored] whine... but when they get to 50 they cant play the char rubbish.

I know plenty of 3 year vets that cant play either, and if having one on a team upsets people so much, tell them what they doing wrong, or leave/remove them from the team.

Dont talk about whining because whining is what the rightous you must play this way crowd invented.

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No, the devs have thrown the toys out of the pram because their precious addition to this game has turned round and bitten them.

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Actually the devs precious addition has worked and players have done abused that addition resulting in the current situation.

It's kind of like having a Radio Controlled Tank that fires BB's, and then whining when you look down the barrel and press fire. Do the Devs force you to PL in a weekend? No they don't so blaming them is pointless.

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Im not blaming anyone, and i have no problem with people doing what they want in game, as long as they dont upset people round them.

Im just saying that the devs are now reaping what they sowed, and any drastic changes to the MA will now lose more than it ever gained.

Because they did it the wrong way round, they should have released it thought through properly, not start taking away from it.

Better yet they shouldnt have bothered at all and just brought out 2 decent issues with some dev created content instead.

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If Positron says they're going to delete or suspend 50s who were leveled too fast in the MA, I think that's a kinda hint that it's not within the EULA
Fast 50s outside of the MA were never mentioned, so the PLers can go back to doing it the way they did it before the MA came out - and as PI is pretty quiet these days, it seems the MA makes fast 50s easier than the old style PLing, which is certainly an exploit
PLing in the MA is worse than PI PLing because it clutters up the whole system - it's meant to be a creative resource for the players.

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Well thats just rubbish, PL'ing is PL'ing. The end result is the same, it dont matter where it gets done.

I dont have a problem with people doing it, if you have i think you need to start getting your head round it, because it wont be stopping.

As for it cluttering up the MA, well shame. You might as well get ya head round that too.

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It does matter where it gets done - PI PLs have gone on for a couple of years, and the devs never said a word - MA PLs go on for a couple weeks, and the devs start banning 50s that have leveled too fast - that seems to show that the devs treat an MA PL as a way more serious problem than a PI PL.

The MA is still a work in progress, and it will get more anti-PL measure added to it for sure - it's a big feature, and the devs want it to work properly, the way it was intended to work.

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No, the devs have thrown the toys out of the pram because their precious addition to this game has turned round and bitten them.

Well more fool them for not realising what would happen.

And they can put as many anti power level features in the MA as they like, then they will have had another fiasco epic waste of time unused feature to show for the last 9 months work.

Much along the same lines as the epic pvp fix, only slightly worse.

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And it's good that they're working to correct the mistakes made with the MA - trying to fix something is way better than just saying "never mind" and leaving it broken.

The MA PLing also puts off people from using it - so any loss of PLers from the MA would be covered by normal players starting to use it.

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Righto, you keep on believing that.

Now dont forget to answer this with a 1 liner and a smiley.

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If Positron says they're going to delete or suspend 50s who were leveled too fast in the MA, I think that's a kinda hint that it's not within the EULA
Fast 50s outside of the MA were never mentioned, so the PLers can go back to doing it the way they did it before the MA came out - and as PI is pretty quiet these days, it seems the MA makes fast 50s easier than the old style PLing, which is certainly an exploit
PLing in the MA is worse than PI PLing because it clutters up the whole system - it's meant to be a creative resource for the players.

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Well thats just rubbish, PL'ing is PL'ing. The end result is the same, it dont matter where it gets done.

I dont have a problem with people doing it, if you have i think you need to start getting your head round it, because it wont be stopping.

As for it cluttering up the MA, well shame. You might as well get ya head round that too.

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It does matter where it gets done - PI PLs have gone on for a couple of years, and the devs never said a word - MA PLs go on for a couple weeks, and the devs start banning 50s that have leveled too fast - that seems to show that the devs treat an MA PL as a way more serious problem than a PI PL.

The MA is still a work in progress, and it will get more anti-PL measure added to it for sure - it's a big feature, and the devs want it to work properly, the way it was intended to work.

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No, the devs have thrown the toys out of the pram because their precious addition to this game has turned round and bitten them.

Well more fool them for not realising what would happen.

And they can put as many anti power level features in the MA as they like, then they will have had another fiasco epic waste of time unused feature to show for the last 9 months work.

Much along the same lines as the epic pvp fix in terms of wasted resources, only slightly worse.

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Players are encouraged to report anything that breaks the EULA - an exploit is the same as a bug, so it should be reported the same.
Getting a 50 in a few hours is an exploit, and players should report any mission or arc that seems designed to make it possible - the feedback will help the devs to close more PL loopholes in the MA.

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Actualy, if you use the 5-gap on a 8 map mission only bosses is within the game mechanics, thus not breaking the EULA. And in such run, within the boundries of the game mechanics, it is possible to hit 50 within hours.

That you use the MA creativily, maybe not as devs would have liked you to use it, is in no way breaking of EULA.

And how much you cry, scream, kick, trash, yell, flame or spam, it wont change anything unless devs want to. And that is good, devs only should listen to constructive and argumented remarks, and since the majority is based on own personal view (including mine), it is far from the reality.

And maybe, instead of being so against it, so hatefull and so anti-farm (i sence hypocrism - or how u spell it), its better just to accept the current state and move on. Be it outside CoH since u cant enjoy it anymore, be it within the 'living hell' and find your own place of peace.

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If Positron says they're going to delete or suspend 50s who were leveled too fast in the MA, I think that's a kinda hint that it's not within the EULA
Fast 50s outside of the MA were never mentioned, so the PLers can go back to doing it the way they did it before the MA came out - and as PI is pretty quiet these days, it seems the MA makes fast 50s easier than the old style PLing, which is certainly an exploit
PLing in the MA is worse than PI PLing because it clutters up the whole system - it's meant to be a creative resource for the players.

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Well thats just rubbish, PL'ing is PL'ing. The end result is the same, it dont matter where it gets done.

I dont have a problem with people doing it, if you have i think you need to start getting your head round it, because it wont be stopping.

As for it cluttering up the MA, well shame. You might as well get ya head round that too.

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Well, if you didn't like it and it was a farm I hope all y'all reported it as such by using the already in place report function?

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No-one likes a Grass.

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Players are encouraged to report anything that breaks the EULA - an exploit is the same as a bug, so it should be reported the same.
Getting a 50 in a few hours is an exploit, and players should report any mission or arc that seems designed to make it possible - the feedback will help the devs to close more PL loopholes in the MA.

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You keep up the good work,if you had split that into 3 you could have got 2 more on ya post count, and you forgot to put a smiley at the end.

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I've said it before, I'll say it again;
Remove the MA buildings from only the starting zones, Atlas, Galaxy and Mercy.

That way, people can STILL enjoy the MA (as I do as well) with relative ease, but it eases the problem that, on the most part, is in Atlas; New players wondering how to play, and instantly being in MA farm teams. Because, say what you like, this is BAD for the game and the playerbase in the long run. Because people will think this is ALL there is to do in the game, or all that people want to do, will get to 50 a few times, get bored, quit. They might even tell their friends to stay away from the farm game. There is No Way that can be a good thing for the game and therefor us in any shape or form.

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I agree with you, only i dont think the MA was good for the game full stop.

The time spent on that could have been spent on dev created content.

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let me guess, everyone's invited to the closed beta

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hehe i cant see them makeing that mistake again.

we'll probably get a couple more screenshots showing other colors on difrent sets

though im hoping for some shots showing a change in animation for powers but im not holding my breath

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Im hoping for a screenshot of a new villain TF or some new content.

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While I don't agree with nerfing what some people may enjoy aboutthe game (farming) that is still possible without the MA, so tweaking the MA and saying "We should be able to play how we want" is redundant because there are still PI and GV farms around.

And just something directed at _Donna. Doesn't it seem a bit selffish depriving players of team members for the way that they want to play? Changing MA to cut down on PLing and saying that it's taking away your fun is a hypocritical statement as the PLing is taking away team members for other players.

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Cutting down on the MA will end one way, lost players and another dead zone.

It should never have been released in its current form.

The way to release things is to bring them out slim and add to them, not release them fat and put them on a diet.

That just irritates people.

And now what certain people need to get their heads round is if they are right about the teaming situation, farming / PL'ing seems to be more popular than not doing it, that puts THEM in the majority.

This MA is the biggest [censored] up of all time, it makes me laugh when i here some of these devs "vision" for how they wanted it, wake up, if you give people the opportunity to level fast, they will.

Then when you take it away, they will get the hump. Then you will lose more customers than the poxy idea gained in the first place.