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Yeaaaah, but who fights even cons? Also on incarnate stuff you won't get that full value, so, the more the better. You can never really have enough -ToHit and +DEF anyway. Lots of mobs have -DEF attacks, and 5-10% will always get through anyway so they'll hit.

Thats why is nice to have some solid resists too.

Which is really annoying for those trials. Some poor blaster gets blasted and no one cares ;(

Absolutely!

I doubt many, if any of us MM's actually expect anyone to slow down for us, and thats really our main complaint. I manage to contribute during this phase anyway, to varying degrees based on the abilities of the MM I'm playing. But I think we mostly just feel bad for not pulling our weight in this stuff. Sure we can make up for it later -- I've never got the booby prize -- but still.

Woah no no, I wasn't intending to insinuate you where a noob or anything offensive like that -- I really didn't mean to offend sorry if I did. I'd much rather be friendly with everyone ;P We poor downtrodden MM's need to stick together in these harsh times

That said, the problem with killing a GM's regeneration is that they'll resist regeneration debuffs at the same 87%. So you'd really have to pile on a lot of -regen to do anything noticeable.

I haven't attacked any GM's by myself in aaaages, so I could be out of date on things but I've never seen anyone bother much with debuffing anything, they just resist it too much. I usually see the marathon method working.

Anyway /Pain is a great set that can do some seriously mean damage, throw in things like reactive and barrier and you'll eventually get through the rough early-incarnate stuff ok.

no, no he can't. Super man got solod by both Mr T and probably Chuck Norris.

Fool! *throws*

/Dark rules, even if it is a debuff set. Protector bots can give you +11.9 def with good slotting. Double that on the battle drones and assault bot. Scorpion shield can do like +20 def. Aaaaand there! You can pseudo-softcap if you use all you debuffs and your dark servant.

Its ownage. There are probably even better ways to do that.

Check it out, regular mobs, even in incarnate stuff don't have anything like av/gm debuff resist, so your strong -tohit actually gets you father than a regular soft cap as long as you keep it up and on them anyway

Debuffing has nothing at all to do with soloing av/gm's. They resist them 87%! Put it this way, if you debuffed one -100 to hit, thats only -13 tops. Thats assuming they don't have an otherwise boosted to hit like incarnate av's, which seems to be about +15. All that leaving them basically untouched.

Going to fight an av/gm, Defense! Defense! Defense! Then fill what's possible with resistance. Look at your to hit reducing debuffs probably can't get as high as 100 or so continually. If you can... (/Dark can) then you soft cap is effectively lowered while you to hit stuff is happening. In the above example, of you drop a -100 to hit, its resisted 87% down to measly -13. But look at the math: That means to soft cap against your enemy you only need a 32 def. Hilariously, with incarnates +15 to hit that means its 47.

But yeah, the lesson is that you want moderate defense even if you have very strong -tohit
Debuffing resists works the same way. A good solid -20 res debuff is really a poncy -2.6. That wont do squat.

This is why it's always been a total myth that /poison was good at fighting av/gm's. It can do elite bosses tops - none of its debuffing powers stack even.



That all said, there are usually advanced sort of tricks you can do to pull it off, but thats really another topic entirely.


But seriously. The only real power that mm's have is that they are smart enough to bring friends. Fighting someone tough? Well you've got six or so pets with you already, find a few other guys and bring them to. Even the very most stupid player is at least on par with the pet ai these days

I feel for the poster with ninjas, yeah, they didn't think at all about mm's this round. That said the actually incarnate powers seem to really kick *** on an mm though (mmm, reactive). I'll agree with you there, though, that if the players steam rolled as a team it would work better.

Here is a survival tip! Dismiss your pets on the split phase, go find a container or cache (be stealthy! Or real fast) and load up the pets there and send them right at the objective, add whatever damage you have and hope it blows up before they finish off your pets and come for you it sucks, sure, but at least your participating sooner its done the sooner its over

Eventually you'll have barrier and a few level shifts and you'll have some ways of doing better.

Yeah, sadly, thats quite possibly the most endurance inefficient heal. That and alkaloid. Both heal for small amounts, soak up a lot of endurance, and are single target. Lame. If O2 wasn't forced I'd get the regular medicine pool ;P

Basically yeah. The maneuvers helps a tonne in regular content, but in the itrials its less helpful -- mobs seem to land hits regardless of your defense there -- it could just be from the volume of incoming damage though. Simply keeping out of harms way is the best defense there. Nothing can protect you from some mobs, like Heavy Commanders and their uber-rapid-fire-AoE attacks though. Honestly MM's get the shaft pretty hard on the incarnate stuff.

My Necro/Dark survives and does ok in the itrials purely because of his permahaste and generally high recharge (spiritual alpha) -- I can replace losses quickly. Actually I find control-type stuff to work fairly well. Mine uses fear (fear lasts a long time), but large immobilizes or whatever will work too.

I haven't taken thugs on an itrial yet, but Mercs and Robots do pretty well, but you really gotta *attempt* (and fail!) to control them as best you can to keep them out of harms way.

On the itrials, the insanely bad pet AI and inability of your pets to follow even simple orders will drive you insane. Thats probably why even on leagues of 24 people I'm usually the only MM ;P

Go with thugs, but don't expect your bruiser to last as long as your used too.