Juggertha
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Yeah, I should comment on that too. Thanks Frost, that chart is really appreciated.
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Perhaps you don't get it - so I'll post the OP for ya.
Quote:Those were the rules set out for the contest - but you don't seem to care about that.Originally Posted by Wassy
MARCH MADNESS
So for March you get to play with the classic tale. I don't care if you use the original writings, the old Disney movie, some Miyuki-chan (my personal favorite, natch), the NEW movie.... whatever one of the many incarnations. You can either juxtapose CoH elements into Wonderland, or bring Wonderland elements into Paragon. All types of visual art are acceptable.
In fact, you don't care about this contest.Quote:Originally Posted by FrozenDeath
As for the contest, I'm not calling you out about that. It's not my contest, I couldn't care less.
So it makes me wonder - why the need to keep chiming in? Is it because you think that I traced? No, you've already said it wasn't a trace. Is it because I used another artist's work? No, because there were numerous screen shot pieces that used other artists' work. So what is it then?
Could it be that both you and Suichiro have something personal against me? Possibly? I seem to recall Suichiro making it his mission to 'show me I'm not as good as I think I am' - or something to that effect.
This thread being locked and cleaned is a reminder of that
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...uichiro&page=8
But as to your assertions...
People swipe poses in the industry all the time. Is Marvel or DC being shut down because of it?Quote:Maybe if you did this in a professional context and got fired or sued as a result, you'd get it. You use reference to help improve the realism of your art, or to try to evoke a certain style. Not to absorb someone else's creative decisions.
Right, and if you read the OP, it states that sourcing from the Disney movie is fine.Quote:You decided to use the Disney style in you piece--so you directly copied a Disney character in a pose from a specific Disney moment. So much so that someone calls you out for it.
I had to draw a scene with a little girl falling through a magical rabbit hole. I don't usually draw that sort of thing, and I've never actually seen it, so I looked at references to see what it would look like. I conformed to the conventions of the reference in some ways and changed it in others. People can look at mine and watch the movie and say 'Hey, that looks pretty similar, but it's not the same. I tried to capture 2 minutes of the movie in one frame.Quote:I had to do a rink with skaters. I don't draw that sort of thing, so I looked at reference to see what a rink looks like and how skaters might be posed in order for the thing to look plausible. Guess what? Then I actually drew something based on what I wanted it to be like. I conformed to the conventions of the reference in some ways and changed it in others. People can look at mine and say that it looks like an ice rink. They can't look it it and say "hey, that looks like you copied Disney's ice rink from that one scene of that one Disney movie." It's truly amazing that you can't get the difference.
It's truly amazing that you don't see the similarities between what we both did.
In fact, I'm guessing that if anyone was to look at theFArt entries, you'd be able to spot numerous references used by many of the artists.
http://cityofheroes.deviantart.com/gallery/23928903
Are you trying to tell me that none of those people referenced or used any material from an outside source?
Come on, get real. You used it, and I have no doubt others used various references too. The degree to which people use the material may vary, and you may question how they used it, but it all comes down to opinion.
I may say that using a screen shot is a violation of the CoH artists' material - others may not (I personally have no objection to this).
I may say that you referencing the speed skating rink is in violation of the spirit of this contest - others will disagree (I voted for your piece, so I personally don' think that).
You may say that my piece looks exactly like the Disney film -others may disagree. You didn't vote for me, and you are not in this contest, so in the end, it's all just a matter of opinion.
You've called my work "completely devoid of creativity and ridiculously derivative of someone else work" and my line work sloppy. And that's your opinion.
I could now chime in and try to bash our work... but why? I really don't see the point in it.
I see this forum and these contests as a place to have some fun (thus the - 'for fun' header at the top of this forum), and am not into bashing other people's art here.
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Johnnykat, strong piece. A well deserved win.
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So, I see a picture, a photo, a person, a... whatever... and I draw what i see. I make changes if needed, and I don't lie about my use of reference.
And for that I get called a blatant cheater by Suichiro - and you back him up. But when you do it, it's ok, because you know how to do it.
Got it.
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Tomato always has really awesome stuff.
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pretty cool vibe to that first one.
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Quote:I think that's ok, but I personally would have liked to see more of a gapping mouth hollar, or even more of a snarl.Originally Posted by Bayani
Yeah. did a quick revision on my own then passed it along. the lip outline is heavy, but when colors and some lighting are added, it'll probably work itself out.
Maybe something like these?
http://www.gearcritech.com/images/up...705_gambit.jpg
http://www.intuitivewebdesigns.com/c...en/cyclops.jpg
http://www.splashcomics.de/images/po...o_cyclops3.jpg
http://www.videogamesblogger.com/wp-...alliance-2.jpg
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Quote:She's gotta' be totally choked. How many hours did that take?Originally Posted by VexXxa
Well, we completed Positron on Friday. Sad to say, Jophiel DC'd on the last mish and didn't return. So we'll need to run it again sometime. Next Friday, I believe we shall give Manticore a run for his money!
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This is pretty cool, Heroid.
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Quote:Funny, because that's my name and that avatar kind of looks like me (kind of).Originally Posted by Scootertwo
I think Edward is the bottom of the list for most everyone.
It actually gave me pause when I logged in. -
Cool beans. 'Grats, people!
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In case i hasn't been said lately, thanks for doing this for us Wassy. It's a pain, and it's not easy, so it's appreciated.
I welcome all of those who are critical of these types of commnity projects to step up and run their own. It's far easier to critisize than to actually contribute.
Worst case senario, we'd actually have more fun contests and such running on here.
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Quote:For me, it's his mouth. It doesn't seem to fit right - too narrow IMOOriginally Posted by Bayani
Inks on this are mostly done, though I'm not quite happy with the way Bayani's face looks in the image. Not quite sure how to remedy that though. -
that is looking quite good.
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Quote:Just so I'm clear on this... you are complaining about a contest you are not even in, and now accuse me of something from a year ago?? But by all means, go ahead andtell me how I BLATANTLY BROKE THE RULES.Originally Posted by Suichiro
This, coming from someone who blatantly broke the rules last year. LOL
Yeah, you said it right when you had some personal issues with me, but I think you were mising something - I think you've just got issues.
Which artists that are competing have said that that rule should never have been in the contest?Quote:Originally Posted by Suichiro
I wasn't the one who had a problem with the rules, nor did I get bit by the implementation. That was other people who *did* enter. Doesn't matter whether I did or didn't enter, the problem is there for everyone to see. It's also affecting the current contest, with or without me. There's more than enough reason to make a case out of it.
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Quote:If you didn't like the rule, you didn't have to enter. Oh, wait - you never did enter.Originally Posted by Suichiro
It's not an extra parameter, Wassy. It's an extra restriction. Perhaps that is why some people might feel frustration towards it. You've artificially limited the artists further, driving them into a narrow field simply to satisfy your own likes. It very much smacks of backpedaling from your original stance, when the threat of losing artists to some arbitrary rule that should have never been included.
Anyone entering clearly saw the rules. It came as no surprise to me, and it was my call to participate or not under the rules posted.
April is a good example - I'm not keen on the rules put out. I now have a choice to follow them, or drop.
The rules are clear.
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I love me some Chamba art.
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1st - Shia
2nd - Tartyrsause
3rd - Happy Dan
So many solid entries though. This month is the closest by far. 'Grats to all that are still in the mix. -
So... we having a vote this month?
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I'm sorry to hear that Eddy. Your work will be missed.
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nice job on that one.
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What happened to Clutch?
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bumpage for a time reminder
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Agreed. There are some odd little issues there.
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I love the character. I love the piece.
Great addition to your collection.