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It's hard to farm brutes. It takes alot of patience, constant watering, and thier seeds are really heavy...but when they bloom they emit the sweetest rosey aroma and it makes it all worth it. Just FYI, don't use mircale grow on your brute seeds. I did and it died.

Oh, and it helps to sing to your brute a little every morning before work. My last crop really responded well to Sinatra.

I understand why your saying not to depend on the tohit debuff for softcapping....makes sense. I was wondering though, when figuring tohit into your defense, does 5% tohit debuff = 5% defense?

If you play with someone that actually is very good at contolling a MM, it's not that bad, but I get where the OP is coming from. I persoanlly never invite MMs when making team cause I just don't enjoy teaming with them. I don't really get the point of posting about your hatred of them though, other than to stir up emotions and start arguments. Just don't team with them in game...problem solved.

I thought this thread was going to be about how annoyinh MM pets are in caves. Damn door blocker!

What we really need is a sliding for wing size.

My two favorite sets. Can't go wrong with either really. DB is prettier, Claes gives you more range and control over mobs. Both are great fun and full of win. Just playing one of each is a very good decision...the only thing your doing wrong is playing them on scrappers instaed of brutes! *ducks

....and I could totally be over optimistic. I want it to come out soon so my thoughts are probably swayed by wishful thinking. I doubt issue 16 will be in testing for two months though...that is a very long time.

I have a question though. I started playing a week or two before CoV was released, so I don't know the answer. How long was closed and open beta for CoV expansion?

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The lack of info on GR really shows that it won't be out anytime this year and probably not in Q1 of next year.

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I think this is a false and irresponsable statement based on nothing, that only leads to more gloom and doom. Closed beta for issue 16 starts next week or soon there after, it probably won't go live untill mid September. That leaves three months to get GR out before Christams and I think there is a good chance that is what they are aiming for.

It is much more likely that they want to consentrate on building hype for Issue 16 before starting the really marketing push for GR.

Of course i could be wrong, it's just an opinion, but stating GR won't come out in the next 7-8 motnhs is also just a geuss with no real facts to base that negative assumption.

Amazing how everyone in this section of the forums knows everything.....ever. even in the old PvP forums I;ve never seen a bunch of folks so full of themselves. You all go on patting yourself on the backs and feeding each others egos. I realize now why I've never posted here. You all are the most self righteous egotistical group I've ever seen. I suppose it takes a certain type of person to be drawn into the act of getting rich at the expense of other people. The sad thing you can't do it in real life and have to get your kicks in a video game...then act all high and mighty like your something special and talk down to people. Way to go guys. Good job.

Devs...1 billion inf is too much for one IO. Please do something. Thanks.

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Devs....did you want purple sets to cost well over a billion inf? That's it.

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Serious question.

If you only wanted to know this, why didn't you PM a dev, as opposed to asking in a forum that may have had one Dev post in it ever?

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Cause closed beta is soon and all thier mailboxes are closed.

Tonality, I'm not interested in running an experiment with your Inf, or Smurphs, or anyone elses. I do not enjoy playing the market, and I am not disputing anthing you "experts" are saying.

For the last time...I'm not talking about any recipes or salvage besides purples. There are so few of these that one person can focus in on one specific purple IO and buy them all completely controlling the price pushing it as high as they want. Then the next person sees the last few sold for 400 million, so list it for that also.

I knew posting here was a mistake, because the only people that read this part of the forum are those that love to play the market. I don't, it's very boring to me. So I don't wanna do experiements or write professors or have big long drawn out debates so the entire marketeer mob can gang up on me. All I want is to know what I asked in my OP.

Devs....did you want purple sets to cost well over a billion inf? That's it.

lol

So after issue 16 hits, supply goes up, purple prices go down. Won't the marketeers just buy low and hold them untill prices go back up, then sell?

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You can't have an opinion on objective facts...they're either right or wrong! I have a relative who posted on Facebook, "It's 103 degrees outside and my landscapers are doing the lawn. I'm glad I'm not Mexican!!" I called her out as a racist and she said that was my opinion and we'd have to agree to disagree. (TRUE STORY, BTW) No, she is a racist. There's no opinion involved.

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....or maybe she was trying to say that 99% of the people that work hard outdoors in the sun all day around her community are Mexican and she is glad she doesn't have to do that stuff BUT just did a poor job at getting her message across and your the one that is an over sensitized politicly correct nub that jumped on her and accused her of being a racist when in fact her only crime was not acutely clarifying the intention of her post.

If you can't see that your little analogy was complete opinion you shouldn't even be posting your thoughts.

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...or maybe she actually is racist, since anyone who wasn't would have apologized and edited their post right away, not having realized how racist they sounded. Your personal attacks have the same inattention to logic as your posts about the game.

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Again...your opinion. Just because almighty you said it was racist, she should edit it?

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Racism as a belief system is scientifically proven to be incorrect, whether you're "an over sensitized politicly correct nub" or not.

Here's an easier to understand analogy. You can not spell correctly and have poor grammar. There's no opinion involved. You used "your" instead of "you're". You used the word "acutely" in the wrong context. Your entire first paragraph was one run-on sentence. I could go on. These are all facts. You can't say that it's my opinion...well you can, but it just makes you look like an idiot. Was that simple enough for you?

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Didn't need to be simple for me to understand, I'm not stupid. I do have somewhat poor grammar, but that has nothing to do with anything we are talking about here, so please stop with the persoanl attacks. Someone told me that was against the rules.

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EDIT - Oh and since the entirety of your post was a personal attack, that's called trolling, which is against the forum rules. Another couple "opinions" I'm sure you'll disagree with.

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Did you just call me a troll for pointing out your story meant to describe objective facts was all opinion? It's not nice to call people trolls just for pointing out your mistakes.

Hey Nethergoat, maybe it's just cause your not putting little smileys after your sentences, but your coming off like a real [censored]. Was that on purpose or am I just misunderstanding your posts?

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You can't have an opinion on objective facts...they're either right or wrong! I have a relative who posted on Facebook, "It's 103 degrees outside and my landscapers are doing the lawn. I'm glad I'm not Mexican!!" I called her out as a racist and she said that was my opinion and we'd have to agree to disagree. (TRUE STORY, BTW) No, she is a racist. There's no opinion involved.

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....or maybe she was trying to say that 99% of the people that work hard outdoors in the sun all day around her community are Mexican and she is glad she doesn't have to do that stuff BUT just did a poor job at getting her message across and your the one that is an over sensitized politicly correct nub that jumped on her and accused her of being a racist when in fact her only crime was not acutely clarifying the intention of her post.

If you can't see that your little analogy was complete opinion you shouldn't even be posting your thoughts.

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We agree that lack of supply is the main culprit, but even when supply of purples goes back up, the supply will remain low enough that it is easy to completely control the price by buying everyone that hits the market IF you are an evil marketeer with billions saved up. When there is only one or two of something listed per month, there is always going to be someone out of the thousands that play this game that is willing to pay it...even if it means buying inf from a .com, which is even worse for the game.

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One or two of something a month??

What?

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Some purples and the new PvP IOs.

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Really, ask any economics professor at any university. Ask them what occurs when prices are above Equilibrium Price. Ask them what symptoms would be like in such a market.

Ask them how one could artificially raise prices above equilibrium price AND maintain that price AND make a profit. Write to any of them. Please, show me the letters and show the responses.

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Seriously? You want me to write professors about a video game? I'll pass.

Look, I'm sure you know alot more about economics than me, but this isn't as complicated as real world economics. I'm sure you know what you talking about with the whole
Equilibrium Price thing, but I don't think it has jack to do with this situation. I'm not talking about trying to buy up all of one type of cheap recipe. I'm talking about purple recipes that are so rare you only have to buy 5 or 6 a month to control them. If you have the Inf, anyone can do it.

We agree that lack of supply is the main culprit, but even when supply of purples goes back up, the supply will remain low enough that it is easy to completely control the price by buying everyone that hits the market IF you are an evil marketeer with billions saved up. When there is only one or two of something listed per month, there is always going to be someone out of the thousands that play this game that is willing to pay it...even if it means buying inf from a .com, which is even worse for the game.

It's funny, the people that spend thier time manipulating the market and getting rich off it, can't understand why I wouldn't take thier word as law? Go figure.

You come in here like your [censored] dont stink end all market genius and expect me to just be like Ok smurphy said no so I'll shut up now. You voiced your opinion...I voiced mine. We disagree. Get over it and calm down. Your taking this [censored] way to personal Smurph.

I think drop rates need increased on purples, and there needs to be some sort of price cap wether it be 150 mil or 500 mil. That is MY OPINION. You disagree and have stated that like 10 times now. Got it. You can go back to your ITFs on test now.

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Ebil manipulators do NOT cause prices to rise above where Supply and Demand dictate the prices would go.

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LOL...ok.

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The price caps are COUNTER productive. One of your suggestions helps. The other hurts. Adding a bad idea and a good idea together doesn't make the bad idea acceptable. It's still a bad idea that doesn't work.

I said "one part of your idea is incredibly stupid, pointless, and actually counter-productive at achieving your goals." You said "but the other part is good so that makes it ok". No, no it doesn't make it ok. The one part is still stupid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_ceiling
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_shortage
http://economics.fundamentalfinance....ce-ceiling.php
http://ingrimayne.com/econ/Allocatin...sRationer.html
http://student.ccbcmd.edu/courses/ec...7/market05.htm

If you would like I can explain the concepts of "Shortage" in exact detail for you, step by step.

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Lol...Wikipedia makes everyone en expert. Look smurph, if they tripled the drop rate of purples but didnt have a price cap, the market manipulators would just buy them up and flip them still demanding 200 million to a billion inf for one IO.

Perhaps your getting so worked up becuae you realize a price cap would ruin the market manipulators because the only way to make money off the market would be to go out and earn drops rather than use your vast amounts on Inf to push up prices for everyone else.

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Playing the market is just one small aspect of a larger game. I'm not asking for instant gratification. All I'm saying is the Devs might wanna think about creating some boundries that stop a minority from greatly affecting the majority in a negative way. IMO setting a price cap and adjusting the drop rates is a good place to start.


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I cannot comprehend how a rational person could contemplate price caps being a good idea to increase the availability of items after receiving an explanation of how they work and what would occur. If by price caps you mean "vendors selling at specific prices" then that actually would work. However, if you mean actual price caps on the market then you need to stop and think.

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I cannot comprehend how a rational person could not see that I'm talking about adjusting the drop rate AND using a price cap.

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you run regular missions with your 50's you will drop the things that you want eventually

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You would think, but I personally have never had a purple drop and all I do is play my 50s. Something is wrong there. On top of that, everytime it comes up in game there are long time vets saying the same thing. Should anything be that rare?

Santorican. I already stated above my opinion that this isn't a game about economy and market manipulation, it's a game about comic book super heroes that has an economy. I know there are some that only play the market and never run around doing missions, SFs, or other content, but they are the minority. Good for you that you made Billions of the market alone, but the majority of folks that spend more time actual playing thru content shouldn't have to pay the price becuase folks like you rather spend their time manipulating the market.

Playing the market is just one small aspect of a larger game. I'm not asking for instant gratification. All I'm saying is the Devs might wanna think about creating some boundries that stop a minority from greatly affecting the majority in a negative way. IMO setting a price cap and adjusting the drop rates is a good place to start.