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Stationary debuffs arent really a problem for an experienced player. TP temp power is generally all the counter you need.

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For villains I would consider a sonic/dark corruptor for general hero hunting, it has good control itself, a little stealth, and sonic pushes the damage up with each attack. Just take tons of BF's with you. You could also try working tp foe into your brute build and Q up a nice big stun :P

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Dark doesnt work against prepared heroes. But is truely nasty against newcommers to PvP.

Say what?, Ill reply once I understand it.

If you asking if I can take a granite down with my troller, then the answer is yes.

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You should see what good PvPers can do.

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Yeah, make whole SG's full of Pvpers to super buff the damage dealers and mass gank the squishy people.

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Can you rephrase it so I can understand it? What I think you said is that the reason we are good is that we have the right toons.

Thats not entirely true dude.

There are two ways to play in the zone and be good at it. Either through gimic or through skill.

Gimics are stuff like defiance blasters, telemining, AS(a good stalker uses all powers and gets alot of kills, a bad one can only use AS), tp foe, only fighting in elude. Basicly people who only gets kills 1 way.

But good players can counter this through skill alone, simply by being alot better at playing the game.
The guy in the video is IMO a gimic fighter and when he shows non gimics its against poor opponents that doesnt give any kind of resistance. His power choices are based on exploiting newbies in the zone, squishies without BFs and acrobatics, not on what is the true best powers if you are fighting good opponents.

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If Sham says the emp was good then you know he was good

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Oddly enough I side with Psydock on this, somewhat.

The emp was decent at keeping buffs up and his movement was good, but I still managed to tag him inside of 10 seconds when I got loose from the cage; when they switched to caging Shaman, I managed to nail the troller twice, with the emp standing next to him. The emp was decent, but I can't say I was particularly impressed.

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He was good no doubt about it, but NOT xtreme good.

That video, the guy isnt special. I wouldnt even call him a good PvPer. He is fighting people without break free's with simple tactics. You should see what good PvPers can do.

The reason I dont wanna see the cage again isnt because its unbeatable, its not, but because those matches take for bloody ever.

If I had know it was 2 vs 2s and not 2 vs 2 vs 2 vs 2 vs 2, I would have used different toons. Hey just [censored] up on my side, but end of story is I dont think cage is overpowered, but I do think the best team there was gatling and xtreme. Too bad gatling couldnt stay the entire time.

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Thanks to all.

was a great event needs to be tweaked i think for next event...

Congratz to Duo who came from the loser bracket to win the event..

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Yes...can we please bring 2*AT teams and NO cage.

1acc3dam1recharge1end IMO or 1acc 2 dam 2 recharge 1 end.

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Arch is right.

Also dying lots on a Controller is silly!

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Yes. Dying on the trollers you guys mentioned, fire rad, fire kin, ill rad. Thats just silly, you dont die unless you [censored] up and that should be rarely.

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Well I remember doing Infernal on a team of 3 trollers, 3 blaster and 1 defender. Needless to say neither all out against the portal or pulling infernal were really any good as options so we ended up having infernals mob take him down confused then could deal with the portal in safety.

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Strange sounds like my normal infernal team, we do quite well.

Fire dark / fire kin. I prefer kin, but dark har alot more surviability.

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Some really great stuff in this thread, someone really should save it before the mighty bridger comes and deletes it. By great stuff I mean I actually was laughing so hard coffee came out of my mouth.

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The thing is decieve is very defensive they way you use it. But you spend so much time using it, that you dont burn bfs.

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I am not quite sure what you want to say...
All Confuse powers are very defensive in PvP unless you confuse a normally enemy-friendly NPC to attack your opponent as you can´t force human players to run up to their teammates and beat the snot out of them (although the occasional attack might hit before the confused player realises what is happening).
And I have absolutely no idea what the second sentence means... You spend much time using Deceive? Why? Because of it´s long duration and less people having protection against it it´s in most cases actually more time efficient than Blind. And why do you think not burning bfs is a bad thing? You sure want your enemy to burn bfs and that is even better with Deceive as you can even force most of those toons to use bfs who have hold protection and when someone is affected by holds and confuse powers the effect does not influence the rate of breakfree consumption. It´s the breakfree´s duration that matters... See, I just can´t make sense of the quoted sentences.

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Hm spectral wounds does the same job allmost, with time to spam hold instead. But it really depends on what your fighting. Stuff with mes protection and having deceive is nice, cause you arent gonna stack over a tank with a tray full of BFs with blind and spectral terror. Against scrappers it can be done unless they run alot.
What it allways comes down to is what the hell you are fighting.

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I don't think it's realistically doable to break through PB'ed Cm, however you can break one or two Cm if you're lucky/skilled enough to survive that long.

CM is about 13 mag iirc, and your holds are 8 mag in domination (technically 4 + 4). One of the few good things Doms have going for them is the Domination hold is unresistable (which means the hold length can't be reduced by stuff like AM or Acrobatics) ; so if you have enough support or if you're just plain awesome, you can break through one or two CMs.

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Are you sure lexce?, I thought dom holds were 3, and domination was + 1 = mag 4. Equal 4 holds to break CM, CM is mag 13 iirc.

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Trigger containment? Both check.

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Nope. Confusion doesn't set up containment. Only holds, immobs, sleeps and stuns.

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Bah, not that I have bothered to even take notice since my troller isnt the one taking down mobs.. I have to rely on others for it anyway.

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Why? illusion has excelent damage. Spectral Wounds + Blind + PA.

It isnt that deceive isnt good, its just that in terms of practical useage the animation is too long for any kind of "proper" PvE. Its without doubt a fun power and it can speed up soloing a bit, but its NOT a power that will bring very much to a decent team cause its so darn situational. You might say hey what about deceiving those forcefield thingies that skyraiders have, problem is that whats the use when they are all dead 5 secs later...

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I tip my hat to those Ill trollers who managed to get by without it.

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Why thank you

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Same

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Good power...usually better powers to take so no room for it.

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yes

Guys focus on the main plan of the hamiraid. A perimiter guard isnt needed, but its a nice idea having 8 people stopping a GM or 2. And judging by the number of tanks in sirens there is probaly a load of noobie tanks running arround with taunt aura on.

Instead start reading the main guide the PDs wrote and discuss why the plan is the way it is. Fx discussing what powers to use, who to include in holding hamidon. Knowing when to pull guys out if you are getting too much lag. And leaders discuss is the way we inform people about what to do clear and easily understood.

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sounds like a nice match v vigilence and im a big fan of seeing villains getting used more in arena (though I still beleive that they are inherantly weaker due to sucktastic epics)

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Been thinking about it, I actually think its ballanced on a 2 vs 2 level. Villains have stuff like MMs and corrs.