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As some of you might recall, I got bit by this some time ago. As I stated previously, I do not think the issue is with the downloaded file, but rather with the host site Megaupload.com. A friend, bravely, downloaded the Issue 17 map pack, scanned it, and installed it. She then gave me a copy of the file, I too scanned it and installed it. Blessedly neither of us have had any issue with it.

Again, I strongly suspect the problem lies with Megaupload.com, its server, or one of the third party advertisers on their site. Please extend my sincere sympathies to your friend in dealing with this particularly evil virus.

Anyone know if/when an update for Issue 17 and Demon Summoning will arrive?

*I asked a similiar question elsewhere, but thusfar all I've gotten is one no-so-helpful post and a smartassed PM in reply*

I've been looking around, but I cannot find anything on a potential update for Mids' Hero Builder for Issue 17 and Demon Summoning. Anyone out there know if an update is in the works, if one's already available in some dark corner of the interwebs, or if we'll be waiting until later (possibly Going Rogue) before we see an update?

Again, I've searched here - using mids, mids', hero builder, Issue 17, and Demon Summoning in a varitey of combinations - to no avail. I've checked the Mids' site, here, but it still shows the last update which added Dual Pistols back in March.

Any help and/or info would be much appreciated, and, as always, links to relavant sites/posts are great!

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Jagged... you sneaky $%&#@ $@*#$ you.

Check your ingame email Wed, I'll send you some.

If/when you see me online... call me, we'll take care of it.

I'll say July 20th, but since this post will likely be long gone before Doc fires up the next game, we're probably both going to get beaten to these picks later. =)

Thank you for restating your point Mortal, I happen to agree with several of your observations. If I may, a good way to approach someone who feels, like you, the risk and time are just not worth the reward, might be to point out the feeling that comes from pulling off one of the toughest challenges ingame, or the sense of teamwork and community of participating in an event such as this.

I'm offering suggestions as to how to spark interest for raiding within our fellow players, not necessarily talking directly to Mortal. The raids are hard and that has an appeal all itself. You might bump into someone you haven't seen in ages or someone you've only met in the forums previously. Heck, I was on an LRSF run by Kidengineer when I met Vega, someone whom I had developed a good deal of respect for from conversations held in the forums. In short, some of the reasons or objections people give for not attending raids can be overcome with a little imagination and a positive attitude.

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Though this post immediately follows Elric's, it is in no way a response or retort to his comments. I would never want that. =)

Speading the word among friends, SG mates, allies, and others is a great way to communicate what is happening around Protector, or any server for that matter. But, this is an entirely different thing from what some others have said, that the organizers and leaders of said events need to communicate more.

It is a subtle distinction, but an important one. The effort put forth by the leaders of events, specifically raids in this conversation, has been and remain adequate for the task. This is evidenced by the amount of response received for blue side raids.

Spreading the word to people who do not use the global channels previously discussed, or who do not use the forums is important. However, that responsibility should not fall on the shoulders of a few motivated individuals leading and/or organizing a raid for the benefit of all participants. Rather, anyone interested in seeing the raid succeed should make it their own responsibility to pass on what they have seen, read, and heard about on global channels, in the forums, and elsewhere.

It is painfully clear to me, I was not concise enough previously.

Anyone, and everyone, interested in seeing successful raids regularly occur on both red and blue side should make it their responsibility to show up on time, be familiar with the tactics used, and do their best to bring interested friends along. I suspect these three things would go a very long way to bolstering the successes of red side raids.

Sitting back and telling Kid, Vega, BT, Sooner, Vyx, Major T, and others they need to advertise in this or that global, post more often in the forums, or chat ingame more accomplishes nothing. The same people see JS, PV, PW, PTF (globals abbv. 'cause I'm too lazy to type out entire names) when they play blue side or red side, they show up for blue side but not red side - that is not the fault of insufficient advertising.

If you know someone who goes to blue raids but not red ones, someone who doesn't read the forums, someone who thinks playing red side will make them "dirty"... encourage them to come with you, to try it out. Educate them about how Hami Raids work, and why. Then, show up, ready to listen and do your best. Who knows, with a bit of luck and little server lag, you just might win.

Six's briefing, well done.

Ben's training, outstanding!

Vir at his brother's side... crushing.

Top notch stuff here Sooner.