-
Posts
3998 -
Joined
-
Zam, I played through most of the first before realizing I played it when you were testing it a long while back. Heh. I'll give your second a go when I get the chance.
The Dhahabu Kingdom is pretty interesting and has an African mythology vibe, which I like. Different from the Banished Pantheon, too. -
Well, does a Peacebringer's ST damage make up for it? I'm not entirely sure. Looking at those numbers, I rather wonder if a better thing to argue for is better ST DPS for both Peacebringers and Warshades, as it is rather anemic. I know the whole game is not balanced around defeating pylons, but those numbers are what... not even half of what is needed to drop a pylon? Seems kind of iffy for an AT that is mostly offense oriented.
And I'm not sure that Peacebringers are that one form oriented (just wanting to be convinced). It seems like the human form AOE damage seems iffy, since it seems like you couldn't keep it up in game: Solar Flare would knock things back, Photon Seekers does as well, etc., whereas Nova can just keep applying it to every mob and more than once. I also thought Inner Light giving some more benefit to forms would have a bigger impact on their DPS as well.
I also wanted to respond to this:
"Originally Posted by Smiling_Joe
No, no. That's not the only thing I want. It's just the single easiest way to address the disparity between the two.
And we have all presented our ideas, but were they really read by the devs? By the looks of the changes, they just skimmed through the first page or two of posts at some point this month, because all the discussion we had in the forums prior to that has apparently been disregarded."
It sounds like Arbiter Hawk has been playing Kheldians a lot to get to where the changes are. He's also stated many times that he will keep his eye on them to see what more changes (if any) are needed, besides the promises of future adjustments to animations.
Added to that is the information that Second Measure gave to Chad Gulzow-man (who asked about Kheldians at SDCC for me). He said that they were looking at them, but not to expect anything until I22. I have no idea if the current changes were able to be moved up and he wasn't aware of that at the time, or if they have more planned.
Still, with all of that together, it's good to remember that there is a lot going on in game right now (and not just with Kheldians), but that the devs do have their eye on us. So make good cases for what you want to see changed, and don't get too annoyed if you don't see it right away. We're in a very different spot now than we have been since I11.
I must admit I despaired a little when Arbiter Hawk said he was not currently planning on changing Solar Flare or Pulsar last week, but I do know that he is paying attention and working on things. Being positive overall about this will be a good thing.
*added*
And I can't emphasize enough that it sounds like art and FX are swamped right now, and that seems to be putting a crimp in how much can be done for Kheldians right now. So take that into account when wondering why some changes are or are not happening. -
Quote:FYI again, since people seem to be missing my answering this on page 1. Arbiter Hawk has stated they would like to make a Light Form customization option in the future if possible (and improve the current look), and then also make Solar Flare do the old foot stomp animation if you are in the ground. Both, however, require art and FX time, and those departments are currently swamped. So no ETA, just a basic "we've talked to art and FX and have ideas, but they're in the future." The same thing goes with the animation for shapeshifting: they want to shorten it, but need to adjust the FX to make it look right.I know what you mean. With the original Light Form and Solar Flare effects/animations gone, my Peacebringer is shelved.
Fortunately the Warshade seems to be in better shape than ever.
Quote:It's not comparable, It's better. It can't miss, is not dangerous to use in the first place (a partial crash when you have two human heals and a dwarf heal is easily manageable), and caps you whether you face one opponent or several. It also has mez protection (3 is a lot more than 0), and the recovery bonus is much more useful than a flat endgain.
It's only really worse in two ways: it won't cap nova, and it has no psi.
But like I said, I don't agree. I and others keep saying it, but the two are balanced. The recharge and duration is the same, with the continuing bonus for Eclipse being it can go higher for resists, has no crash, and costs next to nothing to use. Light Form has a significant crash and can't resist as much as Eclipse can (which does make a difference... not using human shields doesn't matter as much in human form, and Nova can be tougher... both of which stack nicely with Mire), making up for all those detriments by having a fixed rate of bonus and minor mez protection.
The current changes reflect how the two kheldians have worked for years, and is good in methodology. Peacebringers have steady performance, whereas Warshades peak and valley more. In fact, I applaud Arbiter Hawk for balancing the two powers so well.
Quote:Sorry, it looks like they left the "Despite the changes to the Archetype, Kheldians still suck..." section out of the patch notes...
Smiling Joe, thanks for the analysis with numbers. I feel like that was lacking in Closed Beta, as I just don't have the gumption or know how (without a lot of time investment to remind myself) to work all those tables. The damage performance between the two is still depressingly low. Would Solar Flare being KD help with that, or is it really just the pets that make the difference, as you say? -
Quote:Hmmm, I thought that Bella was explicitly stated to be in high school, so I don't know if that holds water. Though I suppose that characterization would allow most to step in her shoes (or imagine they did, back in high school).According to one review I read, one of the interesting things about that book is that Meyer goes into nearly microscopic detail about the men in the story but never once describes the protagonist. This allows every female from 8 to 80 to imagine that *she's* the main character.
I don't know how accurate that is, since I'm not interested in the books. I tried to read a Harry Potter novel and bounced off the immense crappiness of it. So many people claim Twilight is worse (which seems hard to imagine) that i never bothered.
Heh, I used to think Harry Potter was a stupid fad until I was student teaching and my kids dared me to read the first four books in four days. I did it and had lots of fun reading them (still not sure how I crammed them in around teacher prep). The first book grabbed me from the start by making fun of the Dursleys... something about British writers (like Roald Dahl and CS Lewis) making fun of mean people that just cracks me up. But everyone has things they like and don't like. I'm beyond being surprised when people disagree on whether something is good. -
Quote:If they're current subscribers, they can get into the VIP Beta forums. People not subscribed currently can see this forum, so posting the changes here would violate the NDA, as I understand it. I'd probably even edit your first post (it's why I kept saying... stuff earlier).Holy !@#$#!
Am I allowed to copy and paste the patch note for all the Kheldian changes? There are A LOT of changes for kheldian.
What we have here is enough of a hint for anyone not a current subscriber anyway. -
Dang. And I had a story turned down for publishing today (again).
Someone needs to share some happy before we all drown in our sorrows. -
Quote:I'm not sure about that. The powers are equal in recharge and duration, and Eclipse can surpass the resists of Light Form, and with no crash whatsoever. Light Form does have mez protection, but it's only Mag 3. That's nice, but if you have ever used Acrobatics for hold protection on a squishy, you know it's not enough if there is more than one mezzer around.I'd like to add that, after seeing it in beta, I agree the resistance on the new lightform should be lowered a bit (regardless of putting defense in the shields or not). Eclipse needs to remain stronger, as a more dangerous power to use, a power which can't be used preemptively, and a power without mez protection. I don't feel Lightform's crash is a good enough tradeoff.
I would say the two powers are pretty equivalent. Both have pros and cons and are unique enough to keep the two sets different but balanced from each other. -
Quote:Agreed. I have thanked Arbiter Hawk and the devs more than once for looking at Kheldians, since they have been sitting so much. And the Inner Light and Light Form changes are quite good and fun, if incomplete.Wow. Thanks devs for actually listening to us and taking the time to fix some of these issues.
I'll be submitting a bug report in beta with this info. Would appreciate it if some others would as well so we make sure someone notices the problem.
Thanks for noting this is a bug. I assumed it was like Stealth and supposed to half suppress. I honestly do not play Warshades much (mine is stalled in the early 20s), so I would never have noticed this. Everyone else, make sure we're not missing anything.
Quote:My Beta update is up to 21% now (ugh)
Has anyone tried to create a new Kheldian in Freedom? I'm wondering what will happen to our Shadowstar/Sunstorm arcs since all the low level content has been upgraded.
Quote:Not to mention if we're OP because of getting defense, then what about blasters? Better damage, and with IO's softcapping defenses. Scrapper's and brutes are regularly getting good resist, and defense, and keep good damage.
I just really don't want us to "settle" here. It took us four years after release to get the devs to give us a first pass and we settled for less than we should have then...its taken three years to get this second pass and I want to make sure that we aren't griping in the kheld forum for another 3-4 years because this one didn't get everything to a comfortable place either.
Im not saying all this wouldnt overpower us, but I just don't want us doing like an old pet of mine...if she didnt know you and you paid any attention to her, she'd get so excited that she'd wee in the floor...I don't want us getting so caught up in getting attention that we leave puddles when we should be making sure we're getting the changes we need.
So I am in complete agreement about not settling. It's fair to say that Kheldians were designed with an effective and interesting overall concept, but with powers that do not work all that well together. That means they have needed and continue to need more changes to get where they need to be.
On your defense note, I'm not sure what you mean by Blasters getting soft-capped defense. They can only get there by a very specific build that is probably going to weaken other IO and power choices, so that's not a good example. They have as much defense potential as Kheldians do, but Kheldians have scads more resists to run with. Nova is going to be a fairly safe "Blaster" after these Light Form changes, if not quite as strong offensively.
Also, you have to think of all this in terms of overall balance. I'd rather keep our resists as they are now if it means making other problem powers get improved or adjusted. Like Solar Flare's KB and Pulsar's stun, yes, but even the possibility of more damage in some powers, or a damage boost to our inherent while solo. I think those things would be just as useful, or even more interesting, than lowered resists and some defense. Also, I'd rather keep us distinct from VEATs. I find our resists interesting and different stylistically, though I realize your mileage may vary there. -
Quote:Arbiter Hawk gave the same "wait and see, don't want them to be overpowered" response to the Pulsar stacking with Incandescent idea (and the equivalent for Warshades). Frankly, I'd be okay with Pulsar just getting a guaranteed Mag 3. If that and the change to Solar Flare happened, I think we could handle bosses just fine.I also still think Pulsar or Incandescent strike should switch to the others control type. Either stun/stun, or hold/hold.
Dwarf could also use some debuff resistance...just sayin...and a taunt aura...heck, give em a taunt aura that provides debuff resistance.
I don't know that we'd see defenses stacking with the huge amount of resists we can get now. Those would get reduced accordingly to balance out, and I don't know that this is better. Your debuff resistance idea would be nice for Dwarf and and the human shields, though.
I don't think Dwarf needs an aura, either. Just an auto-hit taunt would be good. An aura could be overly strong, I would think. -
Arbiter Hawk has said they haven't made all the changes to animations that they want, and that he's going to be keeping an eye on Kheldians for the near future. So give feedback when and as you can.
-
Here are suggestions I have made that still need to be made to Peacebringers/Kheldians (Warshades needing fewer).
1. Make Solar Flare KD. Been stated enough elsewhere. It's just not on par with other PbAOE melee powers.
2. Make Pulsar a guaranteed Mag 3, and possibly shorten the animation as well. I'm not sure why people aren't mentioning this more here, but it is a common complaint in the rest of the forums. Pulsar is far weaker then the Warshade AOE mez power, and it should not be. The two should be roughly balanced.
3. Shorten the shapeshifting animation time. This really prohibits Kheldians from being fun with one of their major mechanics.
4. Improve the Kheldian inherent so it provides a boost while solo. I'm currently working on a proposal for this, but I believe it should happen. Other ATs that gained less use from their inherent while solo have recently been improved (Tankers and Defenders spring to mind), and Kheldians should be included in this.
Arbiter Hawk made an over all post later, saying that the desire for changes to Solar Flare and Pulsar are noted, but he did not want to bring them in at this point because the other changes to them are so significant, and he does not want Peacebringers to become overpowerd.
I and others are more than on the record to say this is not the case. If I ever compare Peacebringers to Warshades or other melee ATs in the future, it's easy to note that the current powers changed are in line with similar Warshade powers, but that Solar Flare and Pulsar are behind what other similar powers can do.
Until Solar Flare and Pulsar are improved, they are sub-par and weakened, meaning that Peacebringers are also lagging behind their Warshade brethren and the melee ATs they are meant to emulate in human form. Pulsar is not worth using in its current form as a crowd control power (unable to reliably mez a lieutenant in a lengthy three second power), and Solar Flare is iffy mitigation that does not allow a Peacebringer to follow up with any of their other attacks.
And... thanks for the compliment, PC Guy.
Zenyth, Light Form has half of the crash it used to have. Half your endurance or health is easily fixed by a Peacebringer's other powers. The power is now awesome and I use it whenever it is up on Test.
*added*
Peacebringers are in far more need of help than Warshades, and the main things Warshades need are being worked on. +def to all from their stealth power, better form shifting to dwarf, and (eventually/hopefully) a faster shifting between forms. -
Quote:Be sure to test changes and state what you think of them, and if you think more are needed, state why. The devs are listening (FYI, Arbiter Hawk is the guy who is in charge of these changes), so now is the time to speak.I really hope so, these are some great changes but there still is abit more that needs to be done.
but for the moment at hand, bravo for listening devs.
Didn't see they made new VIP forums, or I would have made a wecome post there. Added some new bits in the VIP forums. -
Quote:Didn't know we had new forums, or I would have put up the changes for all to discuss first of all. Might as well do so here.Still has its crash though...
Also it may have just been lag, but I think we lost the no-root when using powers while its running.
Dwarf Flare is now a hand-clap. I imagine Solar Flare is as well.
I cant stay connected long enough to do a respec, otherwise id tell you how quantum acceleration is.
No rooting while in Light Form is why we no longer have the form-shift, as that is going to be seen as too strong with the current changes. You can basically have perma light form now, and not having rooting would be ridiculous with that. Arbiter Hawk said they are looking into FX changes for this so it is more noticeable, but that is for the future. The FX and artist types are swamped.
Same thing for the shapeshifting animation. Arbiter Hawk says he would like it to be 1.5 seconds, but the current animation looks all wrong when shortened that much. So the change would have to wait on that.
Solar and Dwarf Flare now use hand clap, as they can be used while in the air, which is a buff. We did discuss having the footstomp animation subbed in while not flying, but Hawk said that is yet again a FX issue.
I'll try to find a sum up post for what we have been debating for other changes. -
If they made the beta forums viewable for you all, you can see what the... stuff is. There is a thread in the discussion forums for them, so if you can see them, go there and discuss them.
-
Quote:Oh, I agree. Rowling can come up with a good story, decent characters, and strong dialogue, but she's not going to be noted for her style (though I did notice that getting stronger in the last two books).Harry Potter is not anywhere in the same zip code as Twilight. By no means is JK a stellar writer, but she's a decent writer and more importantly she had a story to tell that was engaging. I think people will look favorably upon Harry Potter in twenty years.
Twilight is primarily interesting for its ability to be the canonical example for the phrase "this writing hurts my teeth."
Twilight... man, I still don't know how that thing got published. It does all the stuff editors tell writers not to do if they want to be published. Telling, not showing, overly difficult to follow, etc. The few pages I've managed to read really did hurt my teeth. -
Quote:Yeah, I was surprised that poor Chad got the response he did. Reminds me a little of when Harry from Harry Met Sally gets dumped by his first wife.Sucks to hear about the work. But I have a feeling the the latter portion is a blessing in disguise. Someone who is not going to stand by you, with you, and hold you up when you are down is not someone who you necessarily want to keep in your life. You know I wish you the best of luck.
As for my day... I went to the dentist, got a cleaning. They do this stupid thing where they poke you in your gums to see how soft they are... no other dentist's office ever did that. Not a fan! Other than that things are good. Just waiting for Beta to start and MMP to get home
Sorry to hear about your bad day, Chad. My wife and I are having work and school issues right now, so don't forget that there are others in the trenches of "life sure ain't perfect" with you. -
Chad Gulzow-Man asked Second Measure about Kheldians at SDCC for me, and he told Chad that they were looking at them, but not to expect anything until I22. I'm gathering that more may be coming from that and other things, but I was surprised to learn there was... stuff... in I21 beta for Kheldians to check out.
-
You have a few directions you can try to go. If you go tri-form, definitely focus on one form at a time, or your slots will be spread too thin for you to do well. With mine, I focused on Nova, then Dwarf, and then Human (though I dropped slots in the heals and build up when I could).
However, you can do okay with a dual form or even all human approach. It's kind of how much you like each form: Dwarf is the tank form, Nova Blaster, Human the Scrapper (though you'll want to pack break frees for now, and even after you pick up Dwarf form). -
You should... ummm... totally check out the VIP Beta. There are some things you should check out there. Don't get up your expectations until you get there, but do check them out. It will be worth your while.
Arbiter Hawk said it was okay to say this and not an NDA issue with the VIP Beta, so I'm hoping that was enough. I'm assuming any chatter about... stuff... should be in the beta forums, however. Just wanted to let Kheldian types know they should check... stuff... out. -
Quote:Are you suggesting an arbitrary limiting of the amount of ATs that can participate in a TF? If so, that's a terrible idea. The great thing about CoX is that you can get most things done with any combination of ATs. If my group happens to bring 6 Corrs or 6 Stalkers, who cares? Play with it an have fun.Yes and no, technically Cor's and defenders are more squishy.
Dom's and Soa's are quite a bit less squishy.
But cor's and def's apply a bonus to everyone, including sometimes themselves, this makes everyone better, the more you stack it the better it gets.
I said some time ago, if the devs EVER want to make challenging content they are going to have to implement AT diversification. No more than 2 of any one AT, otherwise we will get the LRSF syndrome of TF's made up of 6 cor/def and 2 brute/tank/scrap and everyone else will be left out. -
Zam, how are they playable if the profanity bug is affecting them? Mine isn't playable because of it.
Did you change the problem words or something?
I'll try to fit these in if I can. -
Excellent changes, well done! Hopefully you'll get enough happy here to make up for the rage in the other thread.
-
Quote:Ha, that reminds me of a guy in my BF1942 clan that was in high school and thought Modest Mouse was the best band ever. We introduced him to Led Zeppelin and he got all excited, wondering if there was more out there as good as that. As another clanmate older than me said, "we have much to teach you, my son."I agree wholeheartedly that Potter is better than Twilight, I've just had my share of arguments with people who say that Potter is the best thing ever written, only to find out that they don't really read much. I'm just tired of people who say Rowling is the greatest author ever, and then find that they haven't read Asimov, Bradbury, Clarke, Lewis, Orwell, Tolkien, etc. Potter is something that from a popularity standpoint I would expect to see on a list like this, but that I would personally leave out of this list were I compiling it. Not that it's a bad series, but certainly not the best.
Still, I run into a lot more people that belittle Potter more than overly celebrate it, like the well-known critic, Harold Bloom, who said Potter is a passing fad and will not be recalled in the next 20 or so years. So I do find myself thinking about its merits and why it will last, more than anything. I certainly do think it's not a perfect series, and that the fourth and fifth books were overly bloated, but Rowling did get better as the books went, and there is a lot to like about the series.
Depends on how you define what Scientology is. I do figure that is the main reason this book is on the list, and why the movie was ever made. -
Quote:I'm with you on Twilight, but there is more to Potter than just being popular, which is about all I can say for Twilight.On the other hand, the forums cannot contain how pleased I am that neither Harry Potter nor Twilight were on the list.
Quote:They were intentionally left out because they are considered 'young adult' reading and they want to do a similar list for YA fiction in the future.Quote:The seemingly arbitrary splitting off of "Young Adult" bothers me more than the lack of division between Sci-Fi and Fantasy. It horribly delayed me finding The Looking Glass Wars series at the bookstore. Meanwhile, Watership Down (which was one of the 10 I chose, I mind) is something I would think of as Young Adult.
Here's a favorite quote of mine from L'Engle on the subject:
The artist, if he is not to forget how to listen, must retain the vision which includes angels and dragons and unicorns, and all the lovely creatures which our world would put in a box marked Children Only. -
Quote:I rather agree and hate how the two categories are thrown together so often (I've thought it ever since I first worked at a bookstore). However, they do have some overlaps in their major works, as Smersh said, but also in their overall goal. They're unlike our world, but only in order to help us gain perspective on how our world really works. Hindsight and traveling to other countries always help us to gain perspectives on ourselves and where we come from.I guess my biggest issue with the list is one of principle. There are so many great works of Science Fiction, and so many great works of Fantasty that have been written. The two are so often lumped together, but I personally think they're different. It might be better to have a Science Fiction 10/100 list, and a Fantasy 10/100 list. that would certainly have made picking easier for me.
~Freitag
So in that respect, they are quite similar. No matter how different a sci fi or fantasy world (or one fantasy world to another... look at George RR Martin and Tolkien), they generally still have the desire to entertain and to gain perspective on life and the world: gained by entering a new world.