Golden Girl

Don't forget the new Spy AT too - you might want to try it

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As long as it's not Fable quick in changing your stance.

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The devs have said it won't be easy to switch sides, so I think it'd take a while.

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Good, thou must pay the price for being a goodie twoshoes if you decide to defect to the red side

(Note: that was not aimed at anyone specific..)

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Well I won't be defecting
But being some kind of spy would be cool

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As long as it's not Fable quick in changing your stance.

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The devs have said it won't be easy to switch sides, so I think it'd take a while.

Well, they probably just snuck out of the instance in between teams arriving

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In addition to this new game altering dynamic, new neutral starting zones allow new players to select their Archetype (class) first, and then let their actions determine their hero, villain or rogue identities.

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Now that's an entertaining thought.. How would you go about picking powers?
Would it be more or less like MA, where you get to pick a primary and a secondary from all parts, or will you just pick AT and based on that the powers..
Probably the latter, the first would mean a whole new game though. Talk about proliferation..

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I have no idea how you got that you'd have free access to choose any power sets. Powers available are still limited by ATs, there's nothing there that states different. It simply says that you can be a Brute, Stalker, Blaster, Defender, whatever, then choose later on if you want to be a hero or a villain.

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Which would make for a pretty cool career possibility - like you start off neutral, become a villain, but later on try and redeem yourself - you might make bad choices on Praetoria, and find Paragon City wasn't open to you, so you worked your way up the ladder in the Rogue Isles, but became disgusted with Arachnos, or with your lack of freedom as a minion of Recluse, and head back to Praetoria to try and put right the mistakes you made in the past, and be given a new chance on the good side.

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I love how much faith you have. But I think any holding of breath would lead to an underwater Atlantis expansion in the future

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Fixed, for possible goodness to come

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It's probably just a low level magical sigil leftover from a Hellion or Outcast ritual

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Outcasts? In the Rogue Isles?

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There are some there, I'm sure - you can get the Weathergirl badge there, can't you?

I think what they mean is that the ATs would still have certain sets, but that you wouldn't be a Hero or a Villain until later - so Super Strength Stalkers are out

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Don't like pie, I prefer a Jam Doughnut in hot custard.

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Those might be given out too, along with the forum merge FAQ

It's probably just a low level magical sigil leftover from a Hellion or Outcast ritual

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A slice of pie then

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*Opens mouth*
*Closes mouth*
Too easy..


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Don't eat it! I wasn't offering it to you

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Ah but I'm in more need of pie than FFM methinks

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Well, now he might just devour you to get at the pie

This might be a good time and place to repost the parts of the NCSoft marketing survey that are about GR.
As the survey also outlined the MA and PC, this GR info is probably quite accurate.

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City of Heroes and City of Villains let players create unique characters and set forth as virtuous Heroes or evil Villains in a MMO comic book inspired universe. This expansion to the City of Heroes/Villains universe blurs the line between good and evil, between hero and villain. The Going Rogue system is a new game dynamic for City of Heroes and City of Villains that allows players to alter the morality of their characters, eventually opening up the opportunity to turn their Hero into a Villain or vice versa.



By visiting different contacts in the game, players can start the process of "moving their moral compass" towards being a hero or a villain. Making this choice dramatically alters the gameplay for the player, as they will now be able to bring an Archetype (class) that was previously only available to players of City of Heroes into City of Villains, and vice versa. Once a character has switched sides, they can continue down the path they have chosen, or use the opportunity to subvert their new allies through a series of espionage-style missions.

In addition to this new game altering dynamic, new neutral starting zones allow new players to select their Archetype (class) first, and then let their actions determine their hero, villain or rogue identities. At the high levels, rewards for these moral choices will be found in new PVP, PVE and Co-op zones. Accomplishments will lead to rewards that will significantly distinguish level 50 characters from one another.One such reward is the Universal Enhancement Slots. Ten Universal Enhancement Slots are available to be earned in the expansion, and each one has the potential of adding significant power to the character, essentially bringing them to a hypothetical "Level 60" once they have earned all ten slots.

For existing City of Heroes and City of Villains players who have previously reached the level cap of 50, the Expansion will take them into outer space where they can now find challenges that test their powers and skills to the max. On an alien space station that mysteriously appears over Earth, Heroes and Villains will race to unlock the secrets of the place and be the first to reap the rewards that are only available to the best of the best.

A brand new Spy Archetype (class), power sets and player costume options will lead to a massive amount of new character and gameplay options.

Here is some other things that were mentioned in the survey...

1.) New high level Space Station Zones (PVE, PVP, & Co-op)
2.) Characters that do not wish to change sides are rewarded by becoming exemplary heroes or villains, and earning rewards not available any other way
3.) Heroes and villains who go to the other side can also act as Double-Agents
4.) Character Creator 2.0 includes Powers Customization, allowing players to customize not only the character, but also the actual look of its powers
5.) Players undertake missions that define their character's morality and steer them in a more heroic or villainous direction
6.) By switching sides (going from good to bad or bad to good), players can access content "on the other side" (heroes can experience villain zones and content, and villains can experience hero zones and content)
7.) Completely new low-level player experience/zones for new characters in which new characters do not begin a hero or villain, rather become one or the other through early gameplay
8.) New Spy Archetype, Power Sets & Costumes
9.) Universal Enhancement Slots - at level 50, these enhance powers to the character, essentially bringing them to a hypothetical "Level 60" once they have earned all ten slots

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The space station parst sound like something separate from the main content of GR, although in the current lore, Anti-Matter does have an orbiting space station, although that's on Praetoria.

The "Double Agent" concept sounds very interesting, although I'm not sure how it'd work

NCSoft can quite easily send out e-mails to the entire player base - no forum doesn't mean no info

Maybe they could use that as the title of the Issue that comes out with the GR launch?

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A slice of pie then

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*Opens mouth*
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Too easy..


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Don't eat it! I wasn't offering it to you

Well, according to that NCSoft marketing survey, which first mentioned MA and GR long before they were even a rumor on the boards:

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Accomplishments will lead to rewards that will significantly distinguish level 50 characters from one another.One such reward is the Universal Enhancement Slots. Ten Universal Enhancement Slots are available to be earned in the expansion, and each one has the potential of adding significant power to the character, essentially bringing them to a hypothetical "Level 60" once they have earned all ten slots

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So the I13 PvP changes look like they're opening the way for something similar to this.

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The cake is a lie.

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A slice of pie then

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Relax - there's plenty of time for a forum merge FAQ before tomorrow

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Bet you there won't be one.

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Bet you a large slice of cake we'll get more info before the merge begins

It depends if you look at it as a work in progress or not
They mentioned again at Comic-Con yesterday how they're planning on making 50s more powerful - so that the toughest challenges right now seem easy to them - so if that kind of boost to a 50 was used in old style PvP, it might have made builds too uber.

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*Wonders if the forum mods are actually going to bother answering important questions asked by paying customers or not.

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Reminds FFM that the Rednames were out partying at ComicCon, and are a little worse for wear...

I expect normal / better than normal service to resume after the 72 hour forum outage / merge that starts tomorrow...

Coming Soon™:
Issue 16 (Kaleidoscopic Divergence™)
Going Rogue

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*Reminds Coolio that paying customers are usually considered more important than having a party. Being at a con is no excuse.

Some people want answers to questions needed BEFORE they take the forums down.

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Relax - there's plenty of time for a forum merge FAQ before tomorrow

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*Wonders if the forum mods are actually going to bother answering important questions asked by paying customers or not.

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I think they're busy with the new forums right now, which will enhance the paying customer experience

Actually, it can be worth it - plus, GR might bring a few interesting changes

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Aaah, GG... You're going to be sooooooooo welcome there...

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The Glorious Day of my Retrun is at hand!





Or is that Reichsman?

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Retrun? It's that some kinda retconned running away before you get banned again?

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Retcons are always often bad

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Aaah, GG... You're going to be sooooooooo welcome there...

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The Glorious Day of my Retrun is at hand!





Or is that Reichsman?

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Now there's a point. It could well be that you can change them once unlocked..
However, you would be either stuck with (for instance) Hasten in its generic color for a good few levels before going to change it. Most people tend to go change once they did first cossie mish, not before.
Still, the thought of changing them after you get them is a good one. More like changing the colors on sets you actually get on your character, not those you might consider getting..

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Only primary and secondary pools are being opened up for PC in I16 - the rest will have to wait