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Quote:Why would you be sad at that?Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
Well, it will make you happy (and me sad) to know the Developers have more than once said the Loyalists are the Villains and the Resistance the Heroes.
The concept of "Freedom=Good" will be used. While I hope they do have arcs that go deeper than that, that will be, I suspect, their guiding stick as they draw out the world of Praetoia.
Praetoria is an oppressive, undemocratic tyranny - how can they not be the villains?
The Rikti and Arachnos are major threats to Paragon City - but I haven't seen Statesman setting up a dictatorship here
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Quote:No, we're notOriginally Posted by Marcian Tobay
Normal?
I think they think that we are crazy, evil, and decadent. They think that we are immoral for letting criminals get off so easy. For condoning wicked thoughts. For allowing people to "science" to irresponsible ends.
Hell, maybe we are.
We have a better idea of freedom, justice and what's right than Tyrant and his thugs - you'll see that once GR comes out
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Quote:You're trying too hard nowOriginally Posted by Catwhoorg
Is that his name though? Or just what the masses led on by the War Criminal Statesman's propaganda call him ?
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Quote:This is the internet - it's not always requiredOriginally Posted by Glacier_Peak
Your arguement has no facts.
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Quote:But it is evil to normal people - so the Praetorians are the evil onesOriginally Posted by Marcian Tobay
You aren't strictly a "Hero" in Praetoia, because they don't use such definitions. I'm fairly certain that you are a vandal or terrorist, in their most literal terms.
The Clockwork are maintenance workers in Pra. The developers beat one up for the Lulz at the GR Demo.
"Hero" and "Villain" are tied to the incredibly nebulous and intangible concepts of "Good" and "Evil". Those concepts are faint whispers of vague ideas in the minds of Praetoian people. For that reason, acts that fall or are, what we could in Primal "Evil", are more acceptable.
I.e.: Killing a maintenance worker for the lulz (Who cares? They aren't really human!). Or killing your boss to "Earn" a promotion. That was explicitly stated in the panel as "Acceptable". It was neither good nor evil. It was demonstrating the virtue of natural selection condoned by their government.
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Quote:NPCs targetable by Heroes = various levels of less than good moralityOriginally Posted by Marcian Tobay
It was stated at the Con that they aren't "just evil". The developers crafted a world in which what the choices they made were justified. The central focus of this expansion is moral ambiguity.
It's really easy to argue that Emporer Cole is, in fact, what's best for that world. In fact, the developers did. Really effectively.
So unless the Praetorians can't be attacked in GR, then they are the baddies
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Quote:We're more tolerant than thatOriginally Posted by M_I_Abrahms
Only if that action is a complete and full retreat, maybe leaving a message saying "sorry about the intrusion, can we sit down and talk about it?"
But let's turn your idea around a bit. Let's say there's an alien race that decides to explore our planet, without any aggression. Given our worlds extended paranoia, it's very likely that we will attack if there's the slightest difficulty in communication. At this point, according to your comment, they have every right now to mount a full invasion and remake our world government in their image, if not wipe out all remaining traces of civilization.
And the Praetorians aren't an alien race - there's no communcation problem - they're just evil
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So fighting Nazis is not a good thing?
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Quote:Less of the mew mew - it might make Jay wrathfulOriginally Posted by Sapphic_Neko
Swaying tails on demons?
Can we PLEASE get em for characters too?
Pretty please with a mew mew on top!
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Exploring new dimensions isn't aggressive - it's not our fault if we get attacked there and have to take action
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Quote:No, you state it how you'd like it to beOriginally Posted by Catwhoorg
Its one of those irregular verbs isn't it ?
I state it like it is.
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Quote:So the Praetorian disinformation has already started, has it?Originally Posted by Catwhoorg
Its the age old concept isn't it.
People have craved 'strong leadership' who will 'do what is necessary' throughout history.
Dont forget 'Primal Earth' 'Statesman' is a war criminal who led an unjustified and illegal invasion of a sovereign nation just a few years ago. Since the 80's he has been invading and interfering in the internal affairs of other dimensions without cause.
Don't buy into his propoganda.
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Quote:Nemesis would - because he organized it.Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
What? Nobody would see that one coming.
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Quote:I'm bulletproofOriginally Posted by Techbot Alpha
....
Infantry! Load!
Aim!
Fire!
Execution performed. Dispose of the body.
I hope your fingers bled as you typed that, GG
I'm not ashamed, because it took me about three goes to understand it XD
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Well, it's possible Tyrant starts sending scouts to our world to get ready for his invasion - and once the Freedom Phalanx find out about it, they ask for Heroes to help them investigate the new dimension and find a way to stop the threat from it.
Recluse might look at Tyrant as a possible ally, or as a threat too, and send his goons there to check the place out, and see if Tyrant could be a friend or a foe. -
Quote:I think other countries might lack the tech that Tyrant has in his empire - so they're be less sophisticated.Originally Posted by gec72
So Praetoria goes from being the Crime Syndicate of America to the Justice Lords. I can deal with that.
Wasn't it stated in one of the panels that Emperor Cole's country wasn't the only one in Praetoria (possible I misheard this)? The DE couldn't form any sort of country, could it?
It sounds like a combination of nukes and DE badly damage the world, so large areas might be radiation contaminated wastelands, or huge forests and jungles where the DE live, with the surviving human lands being sort of like islands in the chaos - with Tyrant's one being the only one that's managed to actually progress and develop - a sure sign that his methods work best
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Quote:Yeah - like a whip power set would have a lot of xXx1nd14n4-j0nzxXx types running aroundOriginally Posted by Tyger42
Yeah, well, copycatters are inevitable no matter what the power set is. No reason to put down the power set because some people lack creativity and respect for other people's IP.
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Quote:Would a frothing herd provide instant milshakes?Originally Posted by JKedan
I'm so glad that it's acceptable and even encouraged to offer up a differing opinion here without fear of the frothing herd blindly stampeding on you. It's refreshing.
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Quote:Yes, blonde is a good, heroic hair colorOriginally Posted by Techbot Alpha
In the original video of CoH, with Statesman's first incarnation, he had dark hair. In some of the comics where he had a ripped costume, iirc, he had dark hair.
Reich's has brown hair, Emperor Cole has dark hair...
It looks MUCH better that way. Blonde doesn't really work with that sort of build, character or with the costumes.
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I would like to see an all DP RWZ raid - everyone drops into the center of the mothership and opens up with their AoE
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Quote:Unless that's what the devs mean by "shade of gray" - 50s will have to fight 20s to switch sidesOriginally Posted by Techbot Alpha
The Devs aren't going to take the time to make all this cool stuff, then make it 1-20.
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Quote:Photoshop should make this soOriginally Posted by Captain_Photon
Ha! My l33t filter automatically parsed that "1" as an "i" and gave me the image of Ray Park in absurd makeup and a big pair of flowery Jams, fighting Ewan McGregor and Liam Neeson with a surfboard.
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The GR page might get updated - Tyrant's bio is still missing there.
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Quote:That'll be made up for by the people who want to make d4rth m4u1Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
And then someone will complain that the scythe animations are too flashy, his hopes for creating a character who fights crime as if he were mowing the lawn have been cruelly dashed, and he is /ragequitting.
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Quote:The image got a good reception at the presentation - I think Marauder will be popularOriginally Posted by Umbra_NA
Shouldn't that be RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!! it's Maruader! -- I mean, he is one mean looking @!@#$%!!!