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Quote:That does describe Tyrant rather well, I thinkOriginally Posted by Smurch
Also:
"Once more the Sith shall rule the galaxy, and we shall have peace."
And:
"In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire, for a safe and secure society."
And:
"I have brought peace, freedom, justice and security to my new empire."
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Quote:So what's Lawful Evil then?Originally Posted by Smurch
So, a legal system that espoused "might is right" is not Lawful, even if it's the law of the land. It's chaotic, and possibly Evil.
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Quote:Which ones? The ones who obey him?Originally Posted by james_joyce
He does appear to be working for the good of his people.
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Quote:I'm expecting something similar at Tyrant's tower - but maybe not quite so obviously "mine is an evil laugh" as thatOriginally Posted by Smurch
Arachnos as an organization (and Recluse as a Leader) isn't Lawful. Not in the least.
Remember Lawful != lawful.
Recluse's propaganda speech in Grandville that loops is the very definition of Chaotic Evil:
"I must therefore rely on all of you to spread the word of Lord Recluse's vision. A vision of a glorious future, in which man is not encumbered by the desire for truth, peace, or justice. A future where you no longer must obey others. Where you must no longer bow down to those who deem themselves your superiors. A world in which you can finally say "No more!" No longer will you have to listen to those who tell you that you must earn what you wish, that you must work hard to achieve your goals. You will have the strength to take what you desire! ((the crowd cheers))
Through my way--the way of villainy--you can have what you want now. You can leave the weak lying in your wake as you grasp with both hands the glorious future of havoc. The heroes are doomed! ((more applause from the crowd)) Join me now, or you will suffer the same fate that awaits all who defy me. I, Lord Recluse, shall cover this world in darkness! ((crowd cheers until audio feed loops))"
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Quote:Well, Recluse makes the laws, so he's sort of lawfulOriginally Posted by Smurch
Arachnos as an organization (and Recluse as a Leader) isn't Lawful. Not in the least.
A law system doesn't need to be just and fair - it just needs to be a structure that others follow or are forced to follow, no matter how unjust it is. -
Quote:No, things like having mind readers to make sure people can't even think anything against him is crossing the line form neutral to evil.Originally Posted by james_joyce
Cole still fits the LN alignment.
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Quote:Well, it's kinda important - it's what the entire new expansion is based onOriginally Posted by Jbot
Why do we even worry about it?
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Quote:In that case, I wonder why working for Tyrant will be the career path that moves your morality meter towards evil?Originally Posted by ebon3
IMO Preatoria is probably more LN than LE
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Quote:His public name in PraetoriaOriginally Posted by Morac_Ex_Machina
Probably would have made the retcon too obvious/jarring if they re-named them. Though they are kinda dropping the name Tyrant and going more with Emporer Cole.
Also, as joining his minions is the career path that leads you to being a Villain, and joining the Resistance is the career path that leads to you being a Hero, I think that the morality meter is possibly trying to tell us something about Pratoria too
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Quote:They could have retconned the names too, if they were going to clash with the new version of PraetoriaOriginally Posted by james_joyce
Heh... To be fair, though, those names were assigned when the characters really were evil - they're retconning Praetoria quite a bit, seemingly with the explicit intent of making it more morally ambiguous.
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Quote:I think you've misinterpreted this thread:Originally Posted by Not_Rhino
Hackin' up some piggs...
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=197390
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Quote:It's an exaggeration for humorous purposesOriginally Posted by Morac_Ex_Machina
.... I don't follow?
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Quote:And I'm looking at names like Tyrant, Mother Mayhem and Marauder, and thinking these people are maybe a little bit naughtyOriginally Posted by james_joyce
See, I don't see "Evil" as such in Praetoria. The society is clearly structured for the benefit of its population - it's just that the means they use to get there are pretty extreme.
I'm sticking with Lawful Neutral.
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Quote:Well, that explains part of the CO development process then.Originally Posted by IanTheM1
Hacking CoH is actually quite easy...as long as all you're looking to do is change textures or sounds...
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Quote:Only when you start behaving in a more moral wayOriginally Posted by Muad_Dib
You have become monotonous. Please find something else to say.
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Quote:Tyrant and his thugs - they're the oppressive onesOriginally Posted by Steel_Shaman
My dear, evil is a point of view. To the Loyalists, the supposed heroes of Paragon City are evil. They come from a world constantly teetering on the brink of destruction, see themselves fit to judge another world (such arrogance), and then decide to overthrow the government just because they don't like it.
So who, exactly, is evil again?
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I think Praetoria is between Lawful Evil and Chaotic Evil - it seems very organized, but it also has that "survival of the fittest" thing going on too.
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Quote:Yes - it should be disorganized crimeOriginally Posted by james_joyce
I just want to add that I resent that the label "Anarchist" has been applied to organized crime.
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Quote:That doesn't matter - players can't totally defeat Recluse either - doesn't stop them being shown as evil thoughOriginally Posted by BigFish
You can't change a single thing, outside of instanced missions, due to the static nature of MMOs.
It's not going to do any good, chuckles
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Quote:Sneaking into Praetoria, carrying the disease of freedom - be careful - it spreads fastOriginally Posted by The_Larker
Like rats!
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Quote:Close enoughOriginally Posted by Thirty_Seven
IIRC he was actually characterized as a megalosaurus. Roy was the T-Rex (aka the Tyrant Lizard).
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Quote:And that includes cutting people up?Originally Posted by Muad_Dib
So long as my work promotes his idea of Utopia and Unity the great Emperor will approve of my work.
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Well, I guess a tyrannosaurus is close enough to Tyrant
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Quote:Yes, but what if you're using the map as part of a heroic mission where you're helping Longbow defeat a 5th Column attack on Atlas Park?Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
This
To GG:
Bwuh?
I always thought that the arachnos flyer was in there as a the getaway vehicle for those robbing the bank (either you in mayhems or the npcs you need to stop in safegaurds). Seeing as how it's usually an arachnos-related broker giving you the robber . . .
It always made sense to me. *scratches back of head*