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Quote:Protecting people by mass-murder, disappearances, torture, slavery and drugged water supplies? That's kinda like saying Arachnos protects the people of the Rogue IslesOriginally Posted by BenRGamer
Responsibility Loyalist = Hero, they do everything they can to protect people
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Quote:You must find Tyrant and his dead city disgusting thenOriginally Posted by M_I_Abrahms
In character or out, the idea of killing an entire city disgusts me.
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Quote:Well, we do it without that whole mass-murder-slavery-torture-thought-police-drugged-citizens-disappearances thing, so it's not quite the same.Originally Posted by M_I_Abrahms
So, the Responsibility Loyalists are as evil as Tyrant...for doing the exact same thing the Heroes of Paragon do?
In fact, if we hadn't already been told that it was all just shades of gray and not pure evil, we might even think that all that stuff wasn't needed to protect the people, and was in fact only there to keep Tyrant in power.
Like if we didn't already know that it was all just shades of gray, we might think that when the heroes of Paragon City manage to protect the city and fight and defeat threats ranging from street level crime to alien invasions without turning the place into a fascist dictatorship that Praetoria might be able to function without being a fascist dictatorship too. -
Welcome to the game and the forums, Jade Ivy
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Quote:Your hunch is wrongOriginally Posted by Lastjustice
I'm guessing you haven't paid much attention to the character or read anything I said about it. Just a hunch heh.
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I find the Hulk rather boring too - there's not really much to him
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Quote:I think the term "grammar loyalist" is more suitable, because you're a follower of the proper way of writingOriginally Posted by Ironik
I know, I know, another "grammar nazi" post.
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I think the Hamidon would make him destroy Praetoria then, to let the DE take over the whole world
I think of those two possibilities, it's more likely that Marcus Cole and Hamidon Pasalima worked together to create a crisis that would be designed to force the world to "see sense", with Cole possibly helping Pasalima become an Incarnate along the way, but Pasalima either made a mess of the plan by accident or deliberately betrayed Cole and attempted to take over the world.
In fact, Pasalima could have been looking for a way to transform into a god-like being the whole time, and tricked Cole into believing he shared Cole's aims of "fixing" the world so as he'd be able to get access either to Cole's Incarnate power, or the Well of the Furies itself.
Also, if the Praetorian Hamidon also used magic to help his transformation the way the Primal Earth one did, then that could explain why Tyrant's emprie seems to be rather magic-free.
This could all be Tyrant's guilty little secret - which would give a neat little twist to his line about hubris
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Quote:That's possible - although he might have not intended it to get so out of control.Originally Posted by GreenFIame
I totally agree about tyrant, he might as well Summon Hamidon or DE to Destroy the city of Preatoria, I always believe Tyrant was behind the Hamidon War Attack's in order to reshape the world and control it.
He might have worked with Hamidon when he was still a human, and not realized he's turned into the Hamidon monster until they had their little psychic joining.
There's a bit of a gap in Tyrant's bio between him being hit by the nuke and presumed dead, and then him reappearing again just as the DE began to attack when he could have been up to all kinds of stuff
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Quote:Well, the Hamidon might be an Incarnate too - although it and Tyrant seem to be pretty closeOriginally Posted by Eiko-chan
Strictly speaking, Cole is God. The only one Praetoria ... ... has...
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Quote:Well, it's more contempt than hateOriginally Posted by Santorican
I feel the conflict within you. Let go of your hate.
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Quote:Only a tyrant would close itOriginally Posted by BlackArachnia
Guys, I would ease up on the political commentary. We do not want this thread locked.
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Quote:That argument doesn't count when the people are being drugged to be happy and docile.Originally Posted by EvilGeko
The people of Praetoria are not innocent. You can't hide your eyes from tyranny and claim innocence.
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Quote:Search your feelings - you know it to be trueOriginally Posted by Santorican
You just did not go there
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Quote:Asking Tyrant might be betterOriginally Posted by Santorican
That quote is sooooooo full of win and very true, just ask icarus.
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Quote:I think we'll fly to the moon eventuallyOriginally Posted by QuiJon
Well im pretty sure its been longer then that since they added those zones of construction in steel canyon and port oaks and never did anything with them.
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Quote:That's something interesting about Praetoria 2.0 - although it's fleshed out the AVs and given them motivations, it's actually made them even more evil - in Praetoria 1.0, they were pretty much just generic villains, but GR has turned them into total monsters.Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
-Why would they all be 'for teh evuls' then in the old arcs and suddenly change personalities?
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Quote:Which is why Tyrant is trying to wipe out humanityOriginally Posted by EvilGeko
There's no other option. In all of human history, tyrants have been opposed. The human condition will not accept this.
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Quote:Well, you're already halfway dead as one of Tyrant's dehumanized zombie slavesOriginally Posted by Zikar
So, you're okay with making that choice for everyone else? I know I'd rather be alive that dead, just because some others would rather I be dead than alive so they can spit in the face of some guy.
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Quote:Then you need to learn patience - killing the people you're meant to be helping isn't a good ideaOriginally Posted by EvilGeko
It's the same choice the U.S. imposed on Japan at the end of WWII. You will surrender or there will be no you.
If Cole demands his empire then there will be no empire. Freedom or death. There's no middle ground. There's no, "you're just as bad as Cole." That's the oppressor's BS. The Crusaders will not live under Cole nor suffer to allow his evil empire to exist. I admire their courage and have no patience for the idea that living as drugged sheep is preferable.
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Quote:See here for my position on Crusader tactics:Originally Posted by M_I_Abrahms
So, you are OK with them killing everyone in that city? That's an acceptable idea for you?
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...7&postcount=27
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Quote:The thing is, they went out of their way to say they were canon, not just retcons, even though they seem more like retcons.Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
Devs say lots of things. Until it's down in the game, I wouldn't consider it canon. Especially since we're dealing with a comic book universe, where canon is pretty flimsy to begin with.
And they haven't put anything in the new versions that would contradict the old ones, even though Praetoria 1.0 is so different from Praetoria 2.0. -
Quote:That's correct - he said they're still canon - which causes all kinds of problems for the "shades of gray" ideaOriginally Posted by Shadow State
Except that according to one of the Devs (Positron I think) the new Praetorian arcs are squeals to, rather then retcons of, the old arcs which are still considered canon.
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Quote:Actually, he's trying to wipe out humanity and replace it with a population of soulless drones - Tyrant fears and despises human beings for being human.Originally Posted by M_I_Abrahms
Won't argue that. He's still trying to make sure the species doesn't go extinct.
They don't seem to be attacking the places outside Praetoria where other humans liveQuote:I honestly can't say the same for the Crusaders.
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Quote:I'm sure all the parades must make up for it though - all those uniformed ranks marching with minimal knee movement, the flags, the speeches, the calls for sacrifice, duty, discipline and obedience to the Emperor - plenty of things to excite the loyalists.Originally Posted by EvilGeko
Except the armed insurrection going on in the streets.
Well, there is the psychic mafia, the insane disembodied psychic, the anarchist throwing molotov cocktails in the street, the corrupt brutal police, the shadow war between two Praetors.
Maybe if we ignore that.
Except for ALL the areas outside the capital.
Except for the homeless people in the underground running from ghouls trying to stay alive.