Golden Girl
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Quote:That is not meOriginally Posted by End Sinister
Don't know GG
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Quote:There was a stampede to switch to blue side the moment GR went liveOriginally Posted by Toony
Where are all these players that are here now, really? Not redside, atleast. I'm lucky if I can find a single non-rogue tip team at peak hours on the weekend on virtue. My MM is basically solo only since non-TF teams simply do not seem to exist (atleast not in her level range.)
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Quote:But aren't you cancelling in a few months, so it doesn't really matter to you?Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
Because I really am truly, deeply, intensely tired of having my progress robbed because they need speed bumps.
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Quote:They're not - from day one of the Incanrate system, they've been telling us it's raid-based - The Incarnate content is in the form of zone events/raids.Originally Posted by Atomic_Woman
You're free to disagree, but at this point I sincerely doubt they plan to overhaul it.
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Quote:Yes - because he could fight against Tyrant - he could try and turn the military against him, but he chooses to go along with the crime against humanity that is the existence of Tyrant's dictatorship.Originally Posted by Toony
Marchand is a loyalist and he does not want the war to happen nor does he 100% support all the praetors. Is he also eviler than a baby strangeller because his boss is Tyrant?
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Quote:You might like to check-out this helpful Paretorian fact sheet, made up from in-game and out-of-game info, starting with Tyrant’s invasion plans for Primal Earth:Originally Posted by Toony
Yes, you've spewed your dogma often and it is as silly now as it always has been.
Perhaps they have the villain stuff due to programming? In regards to valentines, someone had to work for scratch or Praetorians would need to be left out of the event. I think you read way too much into that.
The tool tips, the devs, etc all state "Not all resistance are good and not all loyalists are evil" so that flies in the face of your "LOYALISTS ARE EEEEVIL!"
Quote:“Plans are ready to begin the war effort. Emperor Cole believes that the chaos on Primal Earth will spread into Praetoria soon. Already, we have seen Arachnos and Longbow causing terror in our streets. Primal Earth has entire armies of terrorists, monsters, and demons running about unchecked. If they were to find a way into Praetoria, we would all be doomed.
It is for that reason that we have worked tirelessly under the direction of Anti-Matter on these machines to bring the war to Primal Earth first. We will use the tower Neuron has built to create a portal big enough to fit the War Walkers.
Once they are deployed, the war will be over within a week. Not even the Phalanx can withstand their might.
We have been ordered by Cole to take any non-super powered being prisoner and to have the Seers scan their minds to see if they are a threat. Any civilian who is not a threat will be allowed to live under Cole's new empire. We have also programmed the machines to avoid attacking civilians, though casualties due to collateral damage cannot be avoided.'
The main purpose is clear: we must destroy the threat on Primal Earth before it destroys us. Once that is done, we will wipe out the remainder of the Resistance. It is estimated we would only need one third of our machines to do so.”
Some quotes from Tyrant himself:
Quote:“Your hands are already stained with blood, <character name>, much like mine. But we both have done all of these things to protect what we believe in, to protect Praetoria. That is why I fought Hamidon, to protect the world. That is why I have made Praetoria as it is today, to protect the people from themselves.”
"That is why I stepped forward to save this world from Hamidon, and that is why I have taken such measures to protect the people of Praetoria from the chaotic nature of humanity.”
“People are weak. At least when it comes to doing the right thing. That is why you cannot give them the choice to do what is wrong. I have done so in Praetoria, and look at how it has flourished. Primal Earth, however, allows this to continue, even with some of the worst examples of humanity. That is why it must be wiped away. They know of our perfect world and already, as you have seen, they seek to destroy us.
People, when left to their own free will, will seek only to destroy that which is good, that which is pure, <character name>. I will not give them the option to do that. I will strike them down before they can act and ensure that no others ever get the chance to make that choice, the choice to destroy. Humanity cannot be trusted with that choice of destruction; only someone like myself can.”
“Those who are in Praetoria deserve the chance to live, <character name>. But not the people in Primal Earth. They have gone for far too long believing in their own way of life. I cannot simply go in there and have them change. No, doing so would be far too difficult and would risk the lives of those in Praetoria. The only way this can end is for all those in Primal Earth who can stand against me to be wiped out. The others will be assimilated into the new Praetorian society on Primal Earth. I will not hesitate to have my army turn on you, <character name>, if you choose to fight in the side of Primals. But I believe that your time in Primal Earth will show you the true, rotting nature of humanity and the horrors that it's capable of.”
“I, too, once believed that humanity was good, that it could band together and be saved from the horrors that it was capable of. But this isn't true, <character name>. I have learned this the hard way. You, too, shall learn this the hard way as well. Your time on Primal Earth will show you the true nature of humanity. That I am sure of.”
Some badges:
Quote:Secret Prisoner:
"You have found one of the most forbidden of places in Praetoria: the secret interrogation chamber beneath the PPD Precinct where the officers take the most recalcitrant prisoners for enhanced interrogations."
Disappeared:
"This is where enemies of the State vanish forver. These lost souls have been brought here from the PPD Headquarters for summary execution without review or recourse."
Seer:
"Blind yet seeing and casting judgment yet mindless of the crime; the Seer is the instrument of control and the constant threat of the Emperor's displeasure."
Condemning:
"It is no small thing to make the long perilous journey to the levels beneath the Behavioral Adjustment Facility. The route is filled with hostile PPD trained to shoot first and never ask questions. You have entered a realm that is the last many will see: Do you seek to free the condemned from their fate, or facilitate their demise?"
Silent Witness:
"You have seen much injustice and brutality in your journeys through Praetoria, and here beneath Precinct 4 in Imperial City you are witness to a chamber dedicated to both. Will you remain silent forever?"
Nailbiter:
"This PPD interrogation and holding area is littered with the signs of harsh treatment. Dried bodily fluids, ripped off fingernails, and a few human teeth mark this area as a place you don't want to wind up in."
Mercy Missionary:
"You have visited the Behavioral Adjustment Facility to extend a helping hand to the lost souls housed within. It took great courage to enter this forbidden area, braving the sonic fence and the hordes of belligerent guards on your mission of mercy."
Broken Mind:
"Deep beneath the Mother of Mercy Hospital, the moans of misbegotten Seers echo through these forgotten corridors. Their sorrow seeps into the minds of those who hear them, disrupting thought and disturbing the emotions. Tarry too long and your mind shall be broken as theirs."
Knows the Truth:
“From the depths of the Underground to the top of the Magisterium, Praetoria is built on lies. After 50 badges, you've learned this truth."
Some stuff about the PPD and the Resistance from the GR website:
Quote:When someone speaks out against Emperor Cole or Praetorian matters, the dark side of the PPD emerges, and burly, well-armed officers come into your house in the dead of night and take your loved ones away.
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The Resistance attempts to awaken the populace to the reality of what's going on in Praetoria, and it does everything in its power to get would-be Heroes and Villains educated and out of Praetoria as quickly as possible. Members of the Resistance have banded together under the universal goal of stopping Tyrant and returning freedom to all.
And a few developer quotes to finish things off:
Joe “Hero 1” Morrissey:
Quote:"Emperor Cole is an actual tyrant, and he's doing things to humanity and the freedoms that we're losing because of this".
"The real threat is not the Resistance, it's the Praetorian Police Department, and Clockwork and the Seers and the Praetorian Guard".
He’s also said that inspiration for Praetoria came from books like “1984”, “Brave New World” and “Fahrenheit 451”, among others.
John “Protean” Hegner:
Quote:“Tyrant needed to be someone that people could empathize with, despite the fact that he was a villain. We made Tyrant into a version of Statesman who believed a little less in the inherent good in people, and a little more in his own. This minute change was all it took for Primal Earth’s greatest hero to become Praetoria Earth’s greatest villain.”
The Powers Division “Kill more people than the other four (PPD, Clockwork, Seers, Praetorian Guard) combined”.
Praetoria is “a totalitarian regime".
Matt “Positron” Miller:
Quote:“Praetorians do not use the normal GR system, but have points within their stories where they can choose "Loyalist (aka Villain)" or "Resistance (aka Hero)""
Jesse “Ghost Falcon” Caceres:
Quote:“At one of our prior panels we revealed that loyalists were actually villains, and Resistance were heroes.”
“We made it actually really cool to be a villain, right? And that’s awesome. And players were just choosing like “yeah I want to be loyalist, I want to be the guy that’s supporting the dictatorship””.
Obviously, this list is going to have to be updated with the new info on the scale of the evil Tyrant and his loyalist stromtroopers are planing that we've seen in the BAF Trial, and in the other Incarnate Trials in I20 - the list of their crimes just gets bigger and bigger
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Quote:Although the general layout of Tyrant's lair, a tower on an island, does mirror Recluse's lair, and a lot of Praetoria is set up to be a cleaner version of th Rogue Isles.Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
Good point.
But still, we have Striga for the 'Island villain fortress' and in a much grander sense there's the entire Rogue Isles, Grandville taking the cake (Hell, all it needs is a skull fortress and then any villain would feel at home there.) so I don't imagine the devs rehashing that with Cole. -
Maybe it was just a sneak peek Incarnate power?
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Quote:Even though the game treats them as that?Originally Posted by William_Valence
All I'm saying is the Resistance arn't the good guys by default.
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Quote:Another clear sign that the devs hate soloers even more than they hate Villains.Originally Posted by Vanden
Two-shot actually, because apparently Hami has more HP than can actually be delivered in one attack.
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Quote:No, not "pursue" - "investigate" it - investigate it the way we investigate warehouses.Originally Posted by Luminara
Pursue it diligently, and with haste. More than a single response would also be advisable.
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Quote:It's the bigger picture they're going by - in the meta-story, supproting Tyrant and his dictatorship is evil, resisting Tyrant and his dictatorship is good - which is what they've been saying since Hero Con 2009.Originally Posted by Toony
Huh....the devs don't agree that loyalists are evil.
But I guess bombing hospitals and murdering cops=pinnacle of heroism? Resistance has it's hand in that. Also murdering the innocent families of cops.
In the GR beta, the loyalist even had the Villain titles and mission completion music, and the Resistance had the Hero titles and the Hero mission completion music - and the badge artwork still marks loyalists as Villains and Resistance as Heroes.
The main purpose of Praetoria is to provide a world-threatening archvillain and his evil legions of robots and stromtroopers for players to fight, tied into the expanded Incarnate lore and the endgame system that goes with it.
In the first 2 new Incarnte TFs - we fight Tyrant's forces and stop his evil plans on Primal Earth, and fight Tyrant's forces and stop his evil plans in Praetoria.
In the first Incarnate raid in I20 - we fight Tyrant's forces and stop his evil plans at the BAF, and the next raid mentioned is on the millitary base in the Lambda Sector of Neutropolis - so we'll be fighting Tyrant's forces and stopping his evil plans there too - plus, there's some concept art that we've been shown that features Mother Mayhem's asylum as a raid setting - and putting 2 and 2 together, I think that'll involve us fighting Tyrant's forces and stopping his evil plans.
Tyrant and his loyalists are the greatest evil that's been seen in the game so far - an evil that threatens two whole worlds, and forces Heroes and Villains to join forces to try and survive it, and then try and put an end to it.
There is no "gray" in the meta-story - Tyrant and his followers are the blackest evil the devs have so far created. -
Quote:I think everything's been soloed in the game at least once - apart from the HamidonOriginally Posted by MunkiLord
Somebody soloed the STF?
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We're supposed to be saving them, not wiping them out
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Quote:Take away his drinking water?Originally Posted by Toony
The crusaders do things that'd make Westin Phipps ill.
I'm surprised they're not mentioned as more of a threat to the multiverse in the BAF overview:Quote:Originally Posted by William_Valence
Too busy seeing which side tried to kill every living thing in Nova, or tried to destroy all drinkable water available, or turned living beings into suicide bombs, or tried to blow up a hospital.
I highlighted some of the best bits, but all of it is pretty goodQuote:
The new Incarnate Trials begin where one might expect: with the Primal-Praetorian War. So significant is the battle between the dimensions that it has caught the attention of a variety of external forces. The Well of the Furies watches intently as its apparent champion, Emperor Cole, endeavors to attain ever more power. Perhaps more significantly for the forces arrayed against the Emperor, however, is the return of Prometheus, the ancient Titan who gifted his Flame to the world.
Drawn to Ouroboros to assist new Incarnates in finding their path, Prometheus stands against all that the Emperor and the Well represent. He is ready and able to provide players a guiding hand throughout the challenges they will soon face in the Incarnate Trials.
Building on Issue 19’s Apex and Tin Mage Task Forces, the Incarnate Trials will move forward with the retaliation against Emperor Cole. Primal and Praetorian super-powered individuals will join in an effort to stop Cole’s master plans before it leads to the destruction of both worlds.
The first step on this journey will begin at the Behavioral Adjustment Facility in Imperial City. The B.A.F. is a critical target of opportunity and a harbinger of battles to come. Within the B.A.F. Siege and Nightstar, two of the most advanced Praetorian Clockwork androids ever constructed, have been using members of the Praetorian Resistance for experimentation. At the behest of Praetor Tilman (also known as Mother Mayhem) and Emperor Cole, they have perfected a powerful mind-altering technique called Mindwashing.
Though still in its early stages, Mindwashing has proven to be highly effective. The process completely alters the subject’s sense of loyalty while preserving all other aspects of personality. To the outside observer, a test subject appears to be the same as they were before the procedure. However, inside, the Mindwashed have an unswerving loyalty to Emperor Cole, a loyalty that hides below the surface and causes those affected to feed his government any information they learn about those who oppose it. Additionally, the Mindwashing grants those who control the process the ability to manipulate those affected by it, using them as spies or as fighters.
Now Siege and Nightstar are planning on releasing numerous Mindwashed Resistance members into the city as part of a full-scale field test of the new technology. But, with the Primal retaliation in Praetoria now underway, the two wardens also believe that they have an opportunity to use this release as an opportunity to propagandize against the Primal and Resistance forces.
They have designed an orchestrated breakout, wherein Mindwashed Resistance forces will “escape” from the B.A.F. due to an apparent Primal Earth attack on the facility. Some of those Mindwashed will then be “switched on”, sparking terror attacks across the city before being “switched off” just in time to be brought under control by the valiant forces loyal to the Emperor.
Because of the massive effect such a display would have on the opinions of the populace, the forces arrayed against the Emperor cannot allow Siege and Nightstar’s plan to succeed. As Prometheus notes, though the B.A.F is unimportant as a military target, the psychological and strategic effects that a successful release of the Mindwashed would have would negate any victory that could be achieved elsewhere.
If the Incarnates are to have any hope of putting a stop to Emperor Cole’s unrelenting thirst for power and domination, they must first strike at the B.A.F., or the war may be lost before it can truly begin.
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Quote:A little Primal Earth know-how will fix thatOriginally Posted by Toony
Assuming they know how to work and maintain the sonic field to keep Hamidon out.
You should go check-out how both sides are flagged for the Valentines eventQuote:Originally Posted by William_Valence
Neither side is the right side.
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I think we should force you to have that as your forum avatar
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Quote:I'm totally shocked.Originally Posted by cursedsorcerer
According to the updated mission briefings:
Villains: True villains, Rogues and Loyalists
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They just hiss when they're bored.
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Quote:But then they'd be on the same side as the ResistanceOriginally Posted by Signpost
But that is assuming Loyalist means siding with Tyrant. Im' actively hoping that the Loyalist responsibility (in the future) will split from the Tyrant faction; there's already hints of disagreement, from Antimatter and Marchand.
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Quote:For this thing, it never hasOriginally Posted by MunkiLord
I'm sorry, but this statement doesn't even make sense.
Quote:Originally Posted by Toony
Nice hyperboleQuote:massive backlash.
I thought giving a solo path counts as a compromise?Quote:I'm willing to compromise but it appears the devs are not.
"Large" and "massive" seem to have a different meaning on your planetQuote:If they wish to keep their customers, they should not work toward pissing off large amounts of them.
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Quote:The catgirls only bite if they feel threatened.Originally Posted by Vanden
Too stressful!
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Quote:I'm surprised the face-slapping thing has been used more often - these solo NotW requirements are a perfect chance to deploy the term multiple times in every postOriginally Posted by Toony
In all honesty, there still isn't a solo method. This is the equivilant to when badgers were slapped in the face with "one infected in RV every two hours. Good luck!"
Also, I got my first Isolator badge in RV
Is that taking the slapping to the next level?Quote:Originally Posted by Toony
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Quote:I'm sure Battle Maiden can be soloed more easily on an arc than a TF - the power of the Well is a strange thingOriginally Posted by Toony
And yet my scrapper soloed him without any trouble last week.
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An animal themed party in Pocket D? Will they even notice any difference on Virtue server?