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When the Incarnate system was first announced last year, Positron said players would be able to unlock the rewards for their alts too - so any Incarnate costume rewards might be account-wide unlocks.
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Quote:How does that make level 1-20 Tyrant a cuddly little bunny and Incanrate Tyrant the most evil man in the multiverse?Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
The fact that, despite promises, the Incarnate system wasn't ready to be released alongside Going Rogue, for starters?
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Quote:Such as?Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
They like to claim such. Evidence suggests otherwise.
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Quote:No it didn't - they both have the same depth, it's just that at the lower levels, Tyrant's full plans aren't revealed.Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
Despite your dogged insistence otherwise, the Praetoria presented in Going Rogue had more variety and depth to it than a simple goatee-universe ruled by a power-hungry Tyrant bent on ruling the multiverse.
Don't forget that the devs work on several Issues in advance, so even while they were working on GR, they would also be working on I19 and I20 - Marauder's request for you to pick flowers comes form the same development period as Marauder doing his rabid dog routine in the Lambda Sector Trial. -
Quote:In what way aren't they the same?Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
No, they are not.
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Quote:They're the same thingOriginally Posted by Eiko-chan
Incarnate Praetoria is i1 Praetoria. I loved i18 Praetoria.
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Quote:Why? Surely the "all-Praetoria, all the time" current focus of the Incarnate system would delight any fan of Praetoria?Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
Now and then. Not enough lately for me to renew.
Probably the worst part is that I used to love Praetoria, but all this Incarnate ******** has ruined it for me. -
Quote:As the lore behind the Lore slot says that the pets are the essence of Incarnate empowered enemies that we've extracted from the Well, that opens up the possibility of any non-Praetorian Incarnate empowered enemies we fight later on also being made available as Lore pets.Originally Posted by Schismatrix
While not ideal i think that later expanding the Lore tree to include other types of summons is acceptable. Assuming that later is not a year or more...
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The devs said right from the start that Tyrant and the loyalists were the bad guys in Praetoria.
On May 11th, 2009, we first heard about GR via the semi-leak of the e-mails announcing it being sent out slightly early. The next day, the official press release came out, which said:
Quote:Along with the press release, they also put out the trailer:"In the Going Rogue expansion, hero and villain characters will become immersed in the new parallel universe known as Praetoria, which is governed by Tyrant, the evil incarnation of the game's main protagonist, Statesman."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shrT_sXrXKY
On October 24th 2009, at Hero Con, we got the first major info dump about Praetoria at the Going Rogue presentation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33ko78TeO5I
Highlights from the presentaion include:
On January 22nd, 2010, the GR website got its first big update with Tyrant's bio, which ended with:Quote:"Emperor Cole is an actual tyrant, and he's doing things to humanity and the freedoms that we're losing because of this".
"The real threat is not the Resistance, it's the Praetorian Police Department, and Clockwork and the Seers and the Praetorian Guard...and the Powers Division, who kill more than the other four combined."
And that "1984"Brave New World" and Fahrenheit 451" were used as inspiration for Praetoria.
Quote:"Emperor Cole is a savior, but his story has more to it than what is written in history books. Most citizens of Praetorian Earth respect him or love him. Some who know the truth fear him, and fewer still dare to stand against his lies. No matter what he is called officially and publicly, no one can stop the hushed whispers in the streets and back alleys of his empire. There he is called by another name: Tyrant."
In April 2010, the GR closed beta began, and Tyrant made an appearance at the end of the loyalist storyline, where he says:
On June 10th, 2010, John "Protean" Hegner gave an interview to Massively.com, where he said:Quote:“People are weak. At least when it comes to doing the right thing. That is why you cannot give them the choice to do what is wrong. I have done so in Praetoria, and look at how it has flourished. Primal Earth, however, allows this to continue, even with some of the worst examples of humanity. That is why it must be wiped away. They know of our perfect world and already, as you have seen, they seek to destroy us.
People, when left to their own free will, will seek only to destroy that which is good, that which is pure, <character name>. I will not give them the option to do that. I will strike them down before they can act and ensure that no others ever get the chance to make that choice, the choice to destroy. Humanity cannot be trusted with that choice of destruction; only someone like myself can.”
On October 15th, 2010, at the New York Comic Con presentation, Jesse Ghost Falcon" Caceres said:Quote:“Tyrant needed to be someone that people could empathize with, despite the fact that he was a villain. We made Tyrant into a version of Statesman who believed a little less in the inherent good in people, and a little more in his own. This minute change was all it took for Primal Earth’s greatest hero to become Praetoria Earth’s greatest villain.”
At the same presentaiton, the contents of "Issue 19: Alpha Strike" were first revealed, showing Tyrant ann the loyalists begining the invasion of Primal Earth, as detailed in the invasion plans discovered in GR, and as foreshadowed at the end fo the orignal GR trailer back in May 2009.Quote:“At one of our prior panels we revealed that loyalists were actually villains, and Resistance were heroes.”
“We made it actually really cool to be a villain, right? And that’s awesome. And players were just choosing like “yeah I want to be loyalist, I want to be the guy that’s supporting the dictatorship””.
On March 1st, 2011, the "Issue 20:Incarnates" overview was released, including further information on Tyrant and his followers:
On the same day, there was the first I20 sneak peek, where anyone could go onto the Beta server to test the enw content, inclduing seeing what Pormetheus had to say about Tyrant and the Praetorian situation:Quote:"The Well of the Furies, a sentient source of cosmic super powers, has started taking an active role in the universe again, but appears to have gone mad! It has empowered Emperor Cole, ruler of Praetoria, with nearly limitless energy. Emperor Cole has shared his newly imbued power with his lieutenants, turning them from already powerful Archvillains into cosmic menaces."
"Emperor Cole's ultimate goal is not to hold ultimate sway over our Earth, but to conquer the entire multiverse."
Quote:"The most immediate challenge humanity faces is that presented by Tyrant. Even though the path of the Incarnate has been opened to innumerable heroes, The Well of the Furies believes that it requires a champion. It has tested each of those who have come before you, and found each candidate wanting. Statesman, Lord Recluse, Reichsman, many others... none have proven themselves worthy to be the Well's champion. None, that is, until Tyrant.
Tyrant has given himself over to the Well's influence so thoroughly that it is almost as if he has become the Well in the flesh. He has been granted ever greater power by the Well, and as his dominion over Praetoria expands, so too does the Well's favor. It is now to the point where the favor of the Well extends even to his lieutenants, making them mightier foes than you may recall from past encounters.
Tyrant will soon be nigh unstoppable, at which point his fate, and the fate of humanity, will be sealed. Whether he is consumed by the Well, or simply remains its servant matters not, for neither would have the strength to stave off the greater threats that loom in the future."
"What you must do is bring the war Tyrant has already initiated to its conclusion. You must persist in bringing the assault to Praetoria. You must destroy his ability to wage war across the dimensions. You must eliminate his control over his people. You must free his world from his iron grip. You must do all this, and you must do it while not sacrificing their world to the Hamidon."
And today, March 12th, the I20 trailer was released, with a very brief description of Tyrant and his army:
And then we were shown large areas of Skyway City in ruins on the new hero TF, as Tyrant's invasion continues.Quote:"His rule is absolute".
His forces are unstoppable"
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The idea that Tyrant has ever been anything other than a power-crazed supervillain planning world conquest, and that he was somehow a "good tyrant" in the 1-20 GR content, and that the Incarnate system content is inconsistant with what's shown in GR is a ridiculous claim for even the most deluded stiff-armed loyalist to make.
For almost 2 years now, from our very first glimpse of GR in the trailer back in May 2009, right up to today's I20 trailer, and in everything that's come between, the devs have done nothing but present Tyrant as a force of evil in his own world, and a threat to Primal Earth and beyond - the single biggest villain we've ever faced in the game.
The Praetorians are unchanged from the original Portal Corp arcs - they're the same evil psychos that they've always been - GR just gave them fleshed out bios and cleaner streets. -
Costume parts unlocked via the Incarnate system sounds interesting - maybe that's how the IDF uniforms are going to be given out?
Like they might either be unlocked for completeing a Trial, like the Roman armor on the ITF, or be purchasable with the new merits, like Vanguard costume parts. -
Quote:I've gotten one or two things - but there are still a few leftOriginally Posted by Eiko-chan
I don't think I've gotten anything I've asked for.
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Spanish would have to be the next language they did - it'd be good for both the current server groups.
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I wonder if Nemesis himself is an Incarnate? Or maybe he became one later on, and that was part of his transformation into Silos?
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Quote:It's not been announced yet - it was just hinted atOriginally Posted by BrandX
That said, glad to see Citadel getting a revamp (but I guess I missed this announcement, where was it announced?)
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11:50 is where they show the new map for the Hamidon's lair under Praetoria City - and it certainly looks pretty unique.
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Quote:Me? I've got nothing to do with itOriginally Posted by Ironik
You lot have teased me before.
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Quote:You should, because that's exactly what it meansOriginally Posted by Ironik
Is that what this means? I mean, that's what I would think follows from the announcement, but I'm not going to take anything for granted.
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Quote:A possible 396, I thinkOriginally Posted by Memphis_Bill
I will second/third/fourth this.
Especially for the EU based altaholics. Congrats on all those new slots!
I think it's a form of endgame contentQuote:Originally Posted by TrueMetal
So how about you whiners quit y'r bitchin'
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Quote:Yeah I saw that too - not sure what's going on thereOriginally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
Anyone else notice the Gender-Bent fusionette at the 40 second mark of the I:20 trailer? that's really bothering me, i mean, having to deal with a Praetorian fusionette?!
Maybe she's trying to win Jimmy back from Statesman?
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Quote:The the threat of Tyrant and his loyalist stormtroopers is so great that quite a few other stories could be drawn into it as wellOriginally Posted by Dante
I have no problem with them expanding on Praetoria, I'm just disappointed that it can't be done while advancing the storyline in other areas. It's also a shame that the Incarnate system is so closely tied to this (in my opinion) lacklustre story. Hey ho.
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Quote:There's not a separate Praetorian dev team - there' just Positron's elite secret elite ninja elite endgame content elite team - so while they're working on the 2 new Trials in I20, the others are doing, say, the 2 new TFs, for example, as well as QoL stuff and future non-endgame content for upcoming Issues.Originally Posted by Gemini_2099
My initial impression on what has been posted recently in this thread brings up a point no one has really touched upon. That is, it is said that, a separate dev team has been split off to work on Praetoria, many times by many posters on this board, and the other half is working on something else. But where is the evidence that is the case? Based on what we know, which has been made public to us thus far, it appears the entire dev team is working on Praetoria.
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Quote:Generally, a threat to the multiverse makes people stop doing what they were doing, and try and stop itOriginally Posted by Eva Destruction
Meanwhile, people not involved in the Incarnate storyline, like, I dunno, level 20-40 people, should be dealing with all the other stuff that hasn't gone away just because an evil alternate Statesman decided to take over the multiverse.
If Praetoria was so bad, I'm sure the silent "majority" would be forced to become unsilentQuote:Originally Posted by Blue_Mourning
You know, I'm really $%#ing tired of people saying what most people think. You don't know. I don't know. You can say what you assume, but considering the number of people that avoid certain mobs in this game because they're too hard, and the number of people that come here on the forums and talk about writing stories and RPing, and the number of players on Virtue that will spend hours doing stuff for the fun of it that has absolutely no effect on leveling whatsoever, can we come to an agreement not to speak for people that you don't know?
Becuase it only does one of two things: Sets you up to be a morally superior martyr, or sets you up with a silent unspeaking majority who believe only the things you say they believe.
Praetoria 1.0 wasn't really retconned - there are a few small problems, but it mostly still works with Praetoria 2.0.Quote:Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
Personally, I'm sick of Praetoria because it's been forced on us. 20 levels of Going Rogue didn't make them a credible 'cosmic threat' in my eyes, no amount last second tacked on "Well of BS" flavor text will. In the first place, the 'pay no attention to the giant retcon behind the curtain' stance the devs took in sweeping 'old Praetoria' under the rug left a bad taste in my mouth and still has so many logic flaws; it's a really poor bit of development in respect to most of the story and lore in this game. -
I wonder if they might try making it so that the language isn't built in, and could be changed on any server?
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Quote:Maybe Tyrant could use it as a staging ground for his invasion?Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Just PUT SOME DAMN CONTENT IN IT
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Quote:I think they might even make Hasten an exception, because of how often it's been requested - just like they did with adding an extra animation to Integration to let players get rid of the chest-beating animation.Originally Posted by Red Valkyrja
I think that Nate was thinking the question referred to Power Pools. I for one, certainly hope so.
No more yellow pompoms, please!