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And you missed the point again. Whether or not it is intended is irrelevant. It has been left in the game, and thus, has become part of the game. Doing nothing about something is still doing something about it, and thus, effects the community if it's removed later. You claim powerleveling/farming was unintended, and regardless of whether it is or it isn't, removing it at this stage of the game to the extent they are doing will make people unhappy.


The only people to blame are the developers. If they leave something like bridging and quick leveling in the game for over 3 years, and then change it, I will most certainly blame the development team because they are the one's who changed it.

If you play a PnP game, and it's a terrible game, the GM is the reason, not the players. A competent GM will be ready for any situation.

Nobody could have seen this coming from when the sk system was implemented unless your Unique Dragon who predicted Dupping and the market.

So again, your saying that powerleveling and farming wasn't occuring?

This is wrong. There are channels for people who powerlevel farm. Justice Powerlevel is one, Freedom PI, all you ever saw was people looking for farms. If you think this wasn't going on before AE, your blind, and it's pointless to point these facts out because you'll just end up sticking your head in the dirt. Even on the forums, there were threads about "Stop the PI Farming", and now it's "Stop the AE Farming". The quantity of farming is still the same, it's just moved to Atlas instead of PI. Because this has happened, all the new players are now learning about how to farm quicker. That is why this is getting addressed now and people are becoming more vocal over it.


Because they are facts.

Go to Atlas park and count the number of times you see a boss/farm team looking for more. Figure 8 people per team.

What server do you play? Check all servers, I play Virtue, Inifinity, and Justice. I notice it less on Infinity, but farming is still there.


If I wrote the data down, you'd prolly stick you head in the dirt anyways. Besides, I'm leaving, so why would I want to waste my time. Why I'm bothering even replying to you I'm still trying to figure out ...


I agree with this!

Your ideas of facts and opinions are wrong. Make a data table if you are that concerned from all servers based on population to the number of AE farms running. My guess is Freedom and Virtue will both be close to half the population is farming.

You may need to check the definition of ignorance and stupidity. Which do you fall under?

I feel that Co* is going downhill ... that's opinion, but it's based from facts. Not my fault if your to narrow minded to understand that.

Let me spell this out in as small words as possible. People farm regular content. AE enters the game. People farm AE. AE gets nerfed because people farm AE. AE gets nerfed more because people still farm AE. Regular content gets nerfed because nobody's farming it. AE gets nerfed more because people are still farming it.

If you saw any of that is made up, I'll stick my hand through the internet and smack you.


The arrogance is all you.

Your problem is you think the Dev's do no wrong, and all changes to the game lies on the fault of the players. While players have some say over what gets changed, it's very minimal. The developers have final say in what gets done and what gets changed, and when it gets changed. This all effects the game play.

It's pointless to argue with someone who lacks any intelligence, or is a troll.

I'm sure people care what you think of them.

lol

It needs to remain as one of the paths to a reward, but everything else needs to be taken out. AE for example, they did it wrong with I16 IMO. Get rid of all the rewards except for XP. Make getting merits the only way to get Pool D and C drops, etc.

As it is, you can even get pool d and c drops from bosses now.

Make it so you only get one thing from a specific action, and people will start diversifying.

Yes it does

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Yup, that's about what I list them for.
Now there's a recipe I haven't seen in a very long time. Run a respec trial.
Try this web site. They sell inf for pretty cheap.

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I have been known to give out inf, usually at Costume Contests.
Really? Me too! We should hang out some time!
Ask for help on the market forums on how to make influence. It usually involves farming, and a specialized toon. Despite the fact that many of us are ebil marketeers, many of use are more than willing to share how to become an ebil marketeer .... After the hazing ritual of course.

I have over a dozen toons fully IO'd out to where I want them .... I'm a casual player, play about 1 - 2 hours a night (used to) and that was more than enough to get 100mil influence a night.

What's up with jou?

And if I took the long way to work, I'd be late every day ...

Of course it matters ... It matters to you.

Except, people who play the game for the sake of reading a book are in the minority. So these opinions are the opinions of the minority.

Just because you don't want XP doesn't mean it's not about XP.

1. Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.
2. Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others

Yes, I think that describes you perfectly.

Threaten to quit all you want. I've never threatened to quit in the past. I just quit. No threats involved. If the game evolves to something you don't like, quit.

And yes, people who want xp are in the majority of the game. I would daresay that there are only a handful of people who would be content playing a level 1 forever.

narratively? Seriously, who cares. Every Pug, every SG team, every team I've been on with friends. Maybe we read through the TF info once, but usually it's just jumping from one mission to the next. I've never been on a team in the last 3 and a half years where someone said "Slow down, I'm reading this mission."

Hell, I couldn't even tell you what any of the TF's were about, but I ran them all (except for Dr. Q).

I agree it's not being touched, but for different reasons. A gamer plays a game for rewards, and you are not a gamer. You enjoy reading the content as if it were a book, and that's fine. Gamers make up the majority of all MMO's, and what this game offers is the same rewards through 15 different paths. I'm going to take the easiest path all the time. Now if we take those 15 paths to get the same reward, and made them all give different rewards, that would be something different. There are a few MMO's that have mastered that, WoW for one.

The problem with WoW is it's lacking what Co* has, and the problem with Co* is it's lacking what WoW has. I'm not talking about anything specific between these two, but how the rewards are given out. WoW has 15 paths of leveling that gives different items. Co* has 15 paths of leveling that gives the same thing over and over.

Yes, arrogance is connected to having an opinion. Read the definition. Your arogant in thinking you are in the majority of people who don't care about XP and rewards.

Sounds like a good course for you ... You should take it.

Wow .. really? I didn't think our views on AE were even remotly close ... Guess I was wrong about that.

I made the same mistake.

Not to mention you voted 5 times between 1:00 and 2:00 ...

Your pretty much correct. IMO the route of farming to level 50 needs to remain, but there also needs to be a reason to run other content. Change purple drops so that they drop in TF's, or from running certain missions, but only specific ones for specific TF's as an example. As it stands now, everything is just to generic. You can get the same thing from running content 15 different ways. Take the way that's the easiest.

Now if you take those 15 different ways, and give 15 different things for each one of those ways, that will promote diversity. Why try to get purple drops through route A when route B is much easier.

The only farce here is assuming that ignoring something is doing nothing. They choose to leave something in the game that, if taken out at a later date, will effect people when it's removed. You say they WILL attempt to fix it, but obviously they didn't. In ignoring it, they allowed people to perceive that it is acceptable. Taking something away that a large group of players, and many of those players with multiple accounts, use is shooting yourself in the foot.

The only reason you don't see the substance is because you are ignoring the argument.


I base my evidence off of the quantity of players that farm and powerlevel. Are you suggesting this doesn't occur? Not everyone that farms or powerlevels are going to leave obviously. I'm sure they will even find new ways to accomplish this. There will, however, be a number of people who will always feel that it's just not worth it, and quit. What is opinion is the size of the people who leave. So until they actually leave, yes it's opinion. But I base my opinions off sound facts. A large population of Co* farm. They are now nerfing farming. Combine that with the multiple, albeit ridcuolous "AE is ruining the game" threads, and you have alot of unhappy people.

So yes, it's my opinion that Co* is going downhill, but my opinion is based from facts.

Righteousness? Hardly. You take to seriously to playing games. Something gets changed, and there are people who like it, and people who don't. The idea is to make the change small enough so the people who don't like it don't mind as much. What you call Righteousness is actually Buisness Savy, of which NC is losing in respect to Co*.

It's painfully obvious to see through the illusion they created in respect to farming in creating AE and saying, after data mining, that bridging hardly occurs. DUH

Loopholes? Allowing someone to sk to a lvl 46, or have a lvl 30 join a lvl 35 team to increase potential reward or increased difficulty? Those aren't loopholes, it's playing a game how you want to play it. When large changes such as that are removed from the game, quite obvisouly, the people who played like that will leave.

Your correct, it was in Co* for years, and all those people who played for all those years, many veteran players I'm guessing, who played like that will soon realize that these changes are leading Co* down a long, dull, boring road.

Cheers to half of you who will enjoy this long, dull road. Hopefully the other half, I'll meet up with you in another MMO.

four? I've got six ...

I'd be lying if I said the changes they have made weren't part of the reasons I was leaving. It was actually a very dirty trick that the dev's pulled to people who enjoy farming.

The pulled people away from the conventional method of farming through using bridges by implementing a better method to farm, AE. Then they data mine and go "Oh look! Hardly anyone uses bridges, lets change the SK system", well duh. The dev's are idiots if they think that the conventional method of powerleveling wasn't being used exorbantly prior to AE. Do I think they are idiots? No, I think they are sneaky and don't play nice. It's like playing in a D&D game with a really bad dungeon master. We've all been there.

In addition to changing the conventional method's of farming, they now nerf the hell out of AE. The developers are indeed taking CoH down a road of no return. I hope the few remaining players enjoy it.

Oh yeah,

DOOOOOOMMMMMM

Ever hear the boy who cried wolf? People cry it so much, that when it does finally come to pass, people won't even realize it. Ultima Online is a great example of that.