Feycat

They mean voice-work in game. There isn't built-in ventrillo/gamechat like LOTRO.

However, they WERE trying to put in a tone slider before launch, and I hope they add it. Some of my characters should have way higher/deeper voices than the voice actor.

I don't think it's unfair, and I wish some of the other pro-GW2 boosters in this thread and others would back off a little. Correcting misinformation or giving people a broader idea of what the game has to offer is one thing - acting like a new convert who wants them to take a copy of The Watchtower is something else. Seriously, folks, don't push. Geeze.

Personally, OT, I don't want those things either. I take them as an entertainment, I use what I like and I discard the rest. No one else gets to make decisions for my characters except me. Watching my toon's mouth move and a voice and words not my own come out makes me CRINGE. However, the rest of the game is good enough for me to just run through the stories as entertainment, divorced from what my character may be doing. I had pacifist characters in COH who I played the same way - in-game missions didn't always equal what my character was doing.

That's not a good correlation. I've PvPed in all the MMOs I've played, and after trying COH's PvP, I had no interest in it. The PvP here was BAD - that doesn't mean PvPers didn't play the game for other reasons, and save PvPing for better venues.

Fair enough. TSW looks like a great game - 2 of my best friends are playing it. It's not for me. I don't think it's a bad game, quite the contrary - but it's not for me. I don't anyone needs their arm twisted over their video game activities.

"I remember that! Stupid tree!"

lol @ people who can't be bothered to read the thread they're responding to

I'm sure it has. I stopped playing after the free month, and left my whole guild of the last 4 years behind because I couldn't stand the game - it's not an MMO, it's a co-op version of KOTOR with really poorly thought out MMO trappings tossed on as an afterthought. It was literally the worst MMO I'd ever played - all the way up to 50 it was fun, and then you hit 50 and it's just like "here, play these same instances you played on the way up over and over and over for a chance at random loot drops. Same with PvP. Enjoy!" Just, no.

Most of my guild's gone back to our old game now (LOTRO) though our guild leader and a few diehards grimly cling to the game they've invested in, even though even they admit they don't really enjoy it and they're basically "waiting for changes" to most of the systems. Eff that - I'm not paying a game or playing to grind while waiting for it to be fixed when I've got games RIGHT NOW that I can actually enjoy playing, y'know?

But yeah, when I stopped, the only things you could move were the chat window and the map, and add-ons weren't allowed.

It's awesome!

Nah, I get that. I HATED SWTOR SO MUCH for not letting me move stuff around and resize it. I customize EVERY UI I get my hands on. Most of the time, that's my #1 add-on need, in games that allow add-ons. Arranging my g-d bars full of g-d skills.

The funny thing is that I naturally arrange my UI in all games... pretty much exactly the way GW2 UI is set up. So for the first time, I'm totally happy with a game that doesn't let me muck with the UI and have 8 million bars. Because extra bars are not needed, and everything's pretty much where I want it.

Oh and yeah. I play with 4 bars open automatically on any COH character. When they get near 50-ish, I open a fifth and put all my vet reward/travel powers like ATT, Oro, Base/Mission porter, Reveal, etc on that because I need the prime bar space for actual stuff. One of my favorite things in GW2 is the lack of power bloat.

Heh, oh Sam. You're just not the MMO audience. And I don't say like that a bad thing - it's just how it is.

Personally? One of the things I enjoy most is those popup nodes. I see them on my minimap and RUN for them. Oh, there's another one! And one over there! And OMG carrots I need those so much, tons of mobs on them, I will totally kill them for those carrots!! And now... wait, where the eff am I? How did I get all the way across the map?? Those gathering dots are like candy for me >.>

And I'm doing cooking - Haunt is doing all the other crafting because I just can't be arsed to duplicate stuff he's doing - and it's a giant pain in the butt. But it's also sort of realistic to real cooking. And (ok, here's my squee) you can cook all vegetarian. Most of the food you can make has a vegetarian version recipe. Which, for me personally, who has 2 vegetarian characters and has always had to pretend in other MMOs (except COH, where our only food is sweet, sweet Insp-Skittles) that she isn't really eating meat... she really doesn't have to.

In order to make sage-stuffed mushrooms, I have to first make sage stuffing and grilled mushrooms, and then combine them for the higher level recipes. I enjoy that so much. It's probably just me, but I'm one of those people who really gets a kick out of crafting.

And everything we make has been usable so far. Haunt makes us a new set of armor/weapons/jewelry every 5 levels, and very rarely do we get better drops to replace them with. Though I will often replace it with quest gear if I find something pretty that I like the look of better.

TL;DR - some of us enjoy the heck out of mining and crafting. It's not necessarily a weakness in the game if you don't.

Yeah, I'm definitely in your boat. I haven't even saved my characters yet, even though I DL'd the utility. I'm superstitious, it's like, if I do this, it means it's all REALLY gonna happen!

Some of them were. And some of them were complaining that help/LFG was getting spammed up by the rally and we needed to shut up and let people play the game.

And I didn't claim it was. The number at the rally wasn't the number of people who play the game and it would be ridiculous to claim otherwise.

Yeah, you can give or take a couple hundred people who wanted to be there and couldn't. That still doesn't bridge the gap.

Not to mention that there were people during the event ACTIVELY complaining about the fact that we were "spamming the channels" with our efforts to, y'know, keep the game running.

Well, the 15,000 names on that survey are not COH players. They're the few COH players who are actively fighting the shutdown, plus their sympathetic friends, family, and other gamers who understand our feelings.

And meanwhile, we can get about 4000 people to actually show up - just LOG INTO THE GAME and show solidarity. Just 4000. 15,000 signatures and (you claim) more than 15,000 players, but barely 4k who'll actually show up to say "don't close my game!"

That's why NCSoft isn't going to bat an eye at this, sadly.

Also, we have no idea if COH was *profitable* or not. We have no idea what their overhead is.

ANY other game, actually. And they'll make stuff up if they have no firsthand knowledge.

I wish you guys all the best over in CO. I'm not actually a fan of the superhero genre - just this game - so it doesn't interest me, but the open arms that COH players have been getting from CO is amazing and appreciated. Even by people who don't plan to go over, thank you for the invitation

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09...uropean-sales/

Umm.

Did you get a headcount of how many folks you were rendering? Rough estimate seems to be about 3-4k people all told in attendance?

Or people could enjoy the debate. Some do, you know.

I haven't seen anyone get het up about someone else saying "I don't want to play GW2." I know myself and a couple other posters are annoyed at the flat-out untruths that are being spun around. I seriously don't mind you saying "the game doesn't hold my interest, so I don't want to play it," and I'd never argue with you on that.

However, someone going "the game has no instances and you can't team for story quests," I need to correct that.

And the whole "everything in the first 7 minutes of the video is all COH stuff!" honestly confused me and I wanted someone to clear it up for me.

Plus, just on an informative basis, I like to let people know "Hey, you can do X in this game," or help them find something they missed. It's a good game. If people don't want to play it, that's cool. But I'd rather they do it based on actual facts.

Well, I acknowledged the exploring thing, though like you said, GW2 took it to another level. I think COH is probably the first game to do the "badge/achievement" collection thing, though pretty much everyone's done it since then.

I really don't think you're understanding the shared loot thing though. EVERY MMO lets you share loot and xp when your'e on a team - COH didn't innovate anything when it comes to that. GW2 lets you do it with people you're NOT teamed with, which no one else does.

I really like GW2 because it seems like the developers sat down and went "what pisses us off and adds barriers to community in MMOs?" and then fixed it as best current tech allows.