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Quote:I'm the same way. I log in and it's like... what's the point? What am I doing there? None of it matters.Originally Posted by End Sinister
I think a lot of players have the same mentality that I do. That is, why play and invest so much time into this game if it's going to be shut down in two months? I've been a moderate to hardcore City Of Heroes gamer myself, but I simply don't see the point. I'm sure I'll log in to mess around and I'll be in game on November 30th, but there's no real point in playing in the meantime.
I noticed only a week or two in after the closure announcement that Virtue was looking a bit less populated. It seems that once people heard the news that was it for them.
I've saved my character with the Titan Sentinel logger. I've got my Mid's builds. If someone saves the game, or puts up an Emu, I'm ready. But I just can't make myself play right now when I know that it's all being erased soon.
Besides, RP-wise, I've already moved my character off of that dimension. They're hoping something "saves the universe" so they can move back, but realistically, yeah. I've got no reason to log in anymore
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Quote:It has worked in the past. There's no reason to doubt it will work in the future. GW1 was a successful game, and GW2 is being run by the exact same studio.Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
As for the Guild Wars model? Eh, if it works, why not? I get to pay less, generally speaking, so why would I refuse? I just have my doubts on how it even works.
The only thing that might throw a wrench in it is NCSoft, but you know, GW2 is doing really well. NCSoft has yet to strangle a cash cow. -
Quote:Yeah, I think I've said before I would have loved it as a single-player or co-op LAN type game. But as an MMO, not so much.Originally Posted by Chyll
I'm actively playing it now... and on the whole I get where you are coming from but I wouldn't call it a bad game... just a poor MMO.
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Quote:I find that may be true. I know when LOTRO went F2P there were several moves that many of us could only describe as "hostile" to the veteran playerbase, as if they were trying to get rid of people who remembered how the game used to work so they could remake it entirely. It certainly left a bad taste in my mouth. I had a few friends who came to try out the free game, but it was so crippling that they quit in short order.Originally Posted by NightshadeLegree
I've often wondered if people look at F2P models differently depending on whether or not they were subscribed beforehand. I only came to LOTRO after F2P came in so and I've no complaints - though I see a ton of criticism of it from long term players on their forums - whereas as a former subscriber to CoH before F2P I find the CoH model lacking.
Just an idle thought.
I actually can't entirely agree with that. To me, the blueside revamped zones are my favorite content, the ones with several NPCs that make up a story tree - Faultline, Croatoa, Striga, RWZ - and leveling up just by taking these zones one to the next is my preferred method. SSA is basically just for grinding hero merits - the writing is clunky and the story's only interesting the first time - and if you don't have access to IOs, you don't need HMs. Praetoria's a well-made set of zones, but since they're really just flashier version of the zones with built-in storylines, you don't miss much if you don't have them.Quote:Originally Posted by NightshadeLegree
True, but as even the most ardent CoH fan will likely admit, the vanilla game is the weakest part of it - a lot of the old zones are still rather clunky, especially blueside, and basically all of what I'd call the 'modernised' parts of the game - Praetoria, SSAs, the alignment system, IOs and Incarnates - are VIP and/or cash shop only.
However, I would not play without IOs, that's for sure. But a new player doesn't know the difference, and DOs/SOs worked for me for years, before I knew the difference.
The Incarnate system was anathema to me in every way. Putting WoW's grindy old raiding end-game in COH is what made me drop to Premium. It was the only thing I couldn't access, and I hated it. I thought it ruined the game. -
Quote:The Hounds are actually quite good in practice. Every dungeon group I've been in has used them.Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
And the Hounds aren't even really that good. The racial skills generally aren't fantastic. So the Mistfire Wolf compares favourably to a racial elite skill that is, by design, not supposed to wow you. That doesn't sound like Pay2Win to me.
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Quote:Sorry, I'm a wee bit bitter about that game.Originally Posted by Starsman
First off, you can clarify your point without getting all worked up. I was just replying to your point about rushing through based on the statements given by you.
So, taking this as a clarification, OK, see where you coming from. I have not played the game myself so I can't argue it. All I can say is everyone I know seems to enjoy it all the way through until they run out of content. I have heard minimal complaints about the gameplay, although admittedly nor have I heard any high praises either.
But yeah, it took a whole gaming guild of 50+ people, gaming together for 2+ years in a very tight-knit community, most of whom are rabid fans of both Star Wars and MMOs, and within 2 months most of them could not bear to log into it because it was just bad. And these are some people who were ready and willing to completely overlook the warts and love that game.
The co-op story mode was fine and fun. I would have paid for a single-player or co-op version.
But the actual gameplay was little more than WoW-with-lightsabers, and the content had zero depth of play. Most of the systems were awful and balky (don't get me started on token drops, the UI, or the awful auctionhouse interface, gah) and it really seemed like they blew their whole wad on the story and forgot to develop the actual game to support it. -
Quote:They didn't treat GW1 this well either.Originally Posted by Anti_Proton
But you said it already. We never got the advertising that promoted new subscriptions. Even after F2P, NCSoft never treated CoH as well as this.
It's just "new game" promotion. Like I ACTUALLY said. When they acquired COH, it was already 3 years old. And I really do not know the ins and outs of what's the responsibility of NCSoft and what's the responsibility of the development studios as far as media promotion goes. Is Anet paying for all this press out of their own media budget, or is NCsoft? Did PS neglect to advertise the hell out of COH, or did NCsoft? We literally do not know.
What I DO know is that every new MMO that's been released in the last 5 years or so has been promoted to hell and back, and then quietly vanishes from the scene and is relegated to sidebars on MMORPG and such. Except WoW, which is the exception to everything. -
Quote:That would be like running a marathon uphill, sadly.Originally Posted by SteelRat
I'll remember that when I see someone say "your" instead of "you're" (which happens fairly often on these boards, and yet I rarely see anyone leap in to point out the error)
Also, people KNOW the your/you're thing, they just type without thinking about it. I think a lot of people just don't know the proper aphorism and consider it a heads up. -
Quote:Wrong, omg! >.<Originally Posted by Jack_NoMind
The last one's actually right, though. "Another think" would be incorrect.
http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/thing.html
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Quote:That's because I've got no dog in the fight between you and LittleDavid. I see both sides and think there's plenty of unreasonableness going on. I'm not gonna pick your points apart either way.Originally Posted by SteelRat
Again, a perspective thing. With the size of the post that I made with all the points I made and you picked me up on a simple spelling mistake? That's why I found it petty.
Sorry, bro. That's a peeve of mine too.
I do hate misuse of aphorisms like "tow the line," "gave X the reigns" and "another thing coming," though. Drives me batty. -
Quote:Quote the whole sentence why don't you.Originally Posted by Anti_Proton
And that's the point. We never had a shortage of talent, but a major shortage of resources.
NCSoft gave PS money to develop this game for the last 5 years, and saved it from closure.
I'm not pro-NCSoft, but your argument is pants-on-head. -
Quote:I actually thought that TSW would be the obvious spiritual successor to COH from the first time I saw it.Originally Posted by Celestial_Lord
You can be a (super) hero in The Secret World. IMO, it's the closest MMOG to City of Heroes, in both features and community. Sure, you don't wear spandex, but you can assume a codename, have superpowers, and fight evil. The only thing you're really missing, or at least I am, is travel powers. For that, there's DC Universe Online.
It's a shame I really don't like the look or the gameplay. -
Quote:And that's probably why people are attacking you for your tone, bro.Originally Posted by SteelRat
Petty much?
Nope, it was just a peeve of mine. I thought you might like to know you're using the phrase incorrectly. No need to bite. -
Quote:No, you're wrong, and you don't know me at all.Originally Posted by Starsman
I think this is why the game didn't click with you. That's not a game you play "as quickly as you can", it is a game that (until they add end game content) is just about the quest. If you rush it... what's the point?
I'm saying that since the rest of the game is terrible, it's worth minimizing your time there. Play the story quest and enjoy it, then GTFO.
The game didn't click with me because it was TERRIBLE. And had no content aside from the "third pillar" in which choices did not matter, repeatable/grindy content was the name of the game, and the game's base performance metric sucked on most computers. -
Quote:So, you mean Incarnate trials?Originally Posted by Ogi
In this gear, grind, and raiding with 80* of your closest friends world, yes.
CoH was a lone light in the MMO wastelands.
*minimum required, attendance must be scheduled at least three weeks in advance, missing a raid will only be allowed when the raid leader is presented a valid death certificate for you, deaths of immediately family or friends do not count.
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Quote:In what way?Originally Posted by Anti_Proton
NCSoft
The features and the game itself are entirely the love invested by Anet devs, not NCsoft.
Sure, NCsoft gave them money to develop, but they did that for Paragon studios for the last 5 years too, so, I'd say they gave COH exactly the "love" they're giving GW2.
GW2 is getting better media promotion, that's true. BUT, a good portion of that is reviewer/gamesite based, and COH was almost 3 (I believe) when NCsoft acquired it, not a brand-new game. -
Quote:They who? What?Originally Posted by Anti_Proton
Too bad they didn't put that much love into CoH.
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Quote:It's toe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toe_the_lineOriginally Posted by SteelRat
This is the thing that gets me about these boards. All the time you make encouraging noises, or recount positive things; in other words "tow the line" no one notices. The very MOMENT you say something that's just a bit contrary to that idea, you're pounced on and demonised.
As in, don't step over this. -
Quote:No, it'll pretty much fail because it's a terrible game.Originally Posted by Starsman
This is also the reason why I think Starwars TOR free 2 play will fail, it still will require you to purchase a code to get started.
The only thing worth doing in that game is playing all the storylines through. Once. As quickly as you can. Which would make it worthwhile as a single-player game, but unless they're going to charge people for the story arcs, then they're going to fail as F2P as they have as P2P, because there's nothing worth longevity in that game. -
Woot! I had to go back through a couple CDs to find it, but here's Trillium's original (TERRIBLE!!) costume! Before we got wings and hoofy feet and I could make her look correct... I'm still sad I never got a horse tail
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Quote:Lifetime LOTRO subber and founder here, just so I'm not misunderstood as not knowing enough. I still PvP there.Originally Posted by NightshadeLegree
They added the Lone Lands to the free zones last year, so you can now level (almost) halfway to cap before being pushed to the shop, and by that time you'll almost certainly have earned enough turbine points in-game to afford the next quest pack.
The Lone Lands is one of the worst zones in the game. Seriously, it's an AWFUL zone. It's mono-chromatic, depressing, and boring. And the fact you can level to 30 in the game before being directed to the cash shop doesn't refute my point.
In COH you could level all the way up, and play the entire vanilla game, without having to buy anything. -
Quote:We didn't make the guild so I can't claim credit, and there's a couple other guilds even on TC that are doing things like it - I've seen a Roleplayers guild with an [LFRP] tag, and an [IC] tag, and an [RP] tag.Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
That's awesome, I wish I'd thought about the RP tag.
The multi-guild system is pretty neat, but takes some getting used to. It was a little confusing at first.
It's fun, whenever I meet someone out in the world who's fun to RP with and doesn't have a tag already, I ask them if they want one. It's kinda brill because the whole guild basically becomes a network of people you can ask for IC-questing/grouping or RP whenever you feel like looking for it. -
Quote:LOTRO's F2P was terrible. You think COH made you feel like a second class citizen? Well at least you could still leave Atlas Park. You could still level up to 50. You could still access missions in other zones.Originally Posted by NightshadeLegree
F2P isn't necessarily a bad model - there's good F2P and bad F2P. I can't recall who but someone in the forum here recently summed up CoH's model as "too restrictive at the lower tiers and too generous at the higher tiers" and I'd agree with that. Compared with LOTRO (for example) CoH's model was more of a very extended trial than true F2P. In the very competitive MMO market we have now it's not a good idea to make your casual players feel quite so much like second class citizens.
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Quote:Heh, right now my guild consists of a 2-man guild that Haunt and I set up for more banking space, and a meta-guild called "Roleplayers" so we can wear an [RPer] tag over our heads when we're looking for RP. It works GREAT. There's no IC belonging to the guild, it's purely for the tag.Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
Yep, Piken Square is a EU server. We can still talk though! Or even join eachothers' guilds. It's neat.
Though I think my Sylvari is about to get hijacked into another ACTUAL RP guild after last night. She's so hilarious to RP
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Quote:I just want to say how much I admire you right now, Sam. Even though I disagree with you more often than not, you're a class act.Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Yeah, this right here is the problem. Who are you to judge people and call out moral fibre? All you're doing is emotional blackmail. "If you REALLY loved City of Heroes, you wouldn't buy from NCsoft!" "If you had any morality, you wouldn't buy from NCsoft!" "Honk if you love Jesus!" Call it hate, call it pity, call it what you will, you have contempt for people who don't conform to your very specific views on morality.
I hate - yes, "hate" - the practice of drawing people into your own anger masked as righteous retribution, and then chastising them for not doing it. I had a very fierce debate with a friend of mine who insisted that if I do business with Sony, I deserve Anonymous to steal my credit card information and post it on the Internet for people to empty my bank account. It's guilt by association all over again, and that's not righteous. It's petty.
If you want people to sympathise with your moral position, then don't come off from a self-righteous stance that everyone who doesn't feel the same way is some weakling worthy only of contempt. Even if I were one - and I have long since lost my ability to be shamed over the Internet - then I'm certainly not going to see things your way for saying this. And I get the the impression you don't want me to see things your way.
You know what the funniest part is, though? I don't actually want Guild Wars 2, and I can play it for free on a friend's account. I still don't, because I don't like the game. But if it will put me in a position contrary to your own, then yes - I will throw away $50 just to spite you. Because to me, the principle of respecting the decisions of others and their right to freedom of preference is more important than saving $50. Because the thinly-masked hate speak you're propagating - and that's what it is, really - is much worse to me than NCsoft or even losing City of Heroes.
Yes, seriously. To me, City of Heroes stands for imagination, creativity and friendship, and I refuse to use antagonisation, shaming and bullying to save it. Maybe that makes me simply a hater of another kind, but I'm fine with it. I refuse to hold people responsible for not taking a moral stance with their free time and entertainment, and I refuse to assert that any player has a "duty" of any kind. We do what we can with the people we have, and we respect the rights of others to look after themselves.
*fistbump*