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I haven't read them yet, but i would think that the Mass Effect books are worth a read, which is why I'll be reading them soon...
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Star Trek: Vulcans are anything but home bodies, from what is known. They are an insular civilization which is why Spock gets all that grief. And we're not talking 100-200 years... We're talking, if I remember right, something like 5000 years of exploration and expansionism. It could be they just don't call anyone that calls home another planet as a Vulcan for some reason, but there is just no way there would only be "10,000" Vulcans. Especially since we know there are ships that are all Vulcan in Starfleet and ships are generally 500-1000 people... that's saying there are less than 10 vulcan starfleet ships... Highly unlikely given Vulcans having their own fleet for well over 1000 years.
DC: I said that the DCU Earth is up 4x bigger due to the fact there are roughly four major cities in one area and there is a ton more countries. Despite that DC also maintains that their population is 6 or 7 billion people on Earth which means that there is a lot more empty space just from that, but also there is a ton more because there are several more mega cities. The average major city has only around 3 million people, New York has like 10 millionish, and the biggest city has something like 17 or 18 million. Regardless, the major disasters and such of the DCU Earth has well over 15 million people dying and moving about the country in mass waves that I'm pretty sure no system could sustain for very long. -
Quote:Knives is the one everyone like so why would they want her to not only end up with the d-bag as a second prize, but also want her to lower herself to be with the d-bag after finding out he was one... What kind of idiots are these people that think that that is a better end than the male d-bag and the female d-bag go off and grow together as d-bags in love.The connection was all but entirely on Knives's part, and kudos to newcomer Ellen Wong for selling that in her performance. Scott, bluntly, used her in passive-aggressive fashion. Cheering on the alternate ending misses the point of Scott finally levelling up to achieve the necessary balls and self-respect to admit to her that he treated her badly. The idea that in a "better" ending, he would then get back with her reduces her to the prize at the end, precisely the opposite of what Wright was critiquing in his portrayal of a video game-fueled protagonist.
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Quote:It is when you realize that Romulans and Vulcans and several other "races" are from ancient groups of Vulcans. To have the kind of territory that Vulcans must have had and the time involved to have cause that as well taking into account failed attempts... It's just way to low and not all that reasonable. They as a culture keep their ways, but they do explore and they do colonize and they had expanded for many generations.I just watched the new Star Trek again yesterday. It was 6 billion Vulcans killed on the planet, and 10,000 left (that's what young Spock says in his captain's log entry right after the event). Memory Alpha shows only 2 Vulcan colonies, one of which was seized from the Andorians and later given back.
I've always gotten the impression that the Vulcans are a very insular, private people. They certainly are not warlike, territorial empire-builders. While 10,000 survivors might be a bit low (it was an estimate after all), I don't think that it is all that unbelievable.
Heck, if Vulcans were really that small of a group, Earth would have been considered a much bigger threat as by the time Enterprise launched they had 2 or 3 colonies and given 100 years they'd have had quite large populations and easily would have dominated the area which Vulcans, regardless of how accepting they had become of Humans by that time, would not have stood for. -
Does it both anyone else that it appears that a number of writers don't seem to understand population sizes, how populations grow, and how much space is needed for any particular amount of a population...
Some numbers come to mind immediately that annoy me...
In Star Trek (XI) the Vulcan home world is destroyed and it's stated something like the number of Vulcans killed was 4,000,000,000 and there are only something like 4,000 Vulcans left in the galaxy...
Ok, the 4 bil number could be understandable because once you get space capabilities it could be thought that a pop stabilizes at a given number, but then saying there are only 4,000 Vulcans left...That is so unrealistic and unlikely it's really not ignorable. Looking at all the history of Star Trek we know AND just basic logic about a culture that have been out in space and have expanded to the level that we are left to assume they have there is no way that the Vulcan population was ALL on Vulcan nor that only that amount of pop was savable or off-world... clearly if the Enterprise, a ship from a 100 year old space civ could carry that many when it's not designed to, a colony ship from a 200+ year old space civ could carry more than that and thus indicates that there had to be at least that many on every Vulcan colony when they were originally set up and had expanded.
Of course there is always mass Gotham population movement... From 10m to 2m to 6m to 8m over the course of 10 years would throw the DCU USA into mass chaos...and not to mention the, I think, 8 million people that were killed in the Coast City thing...and then the complete repopulation of that area. in that same time >.> but we'll forgive that because comics are odd like that. -
Quote:I agree with TJ on a number of issues but most of his fans are... well... the type of people I generally like to avoid. And yes he does talk down to people, for two reasons, comically mocking those that are stuck up, and secondly just because it comes to him natural after dealing with such idiots for so long one tends to get like that.I'd agree I'm not part of his audience. Basically everyone in his comments is like preach on distressed preach on! They all want to be a bastion of hate together that's their business. I didn't feel being dragged down into the muck with him and his cronies trying argue with them as I started type out a response(and if you know me I love to type out long responses.) but ultimately felt the best way show him what for was to ignore him altogether. People like that are just bad for the soul to deal with.
He'll likely mellow out a bit more with experience with TGWTG's audience.
The whole reviewing movies and such are more or less a side video thing from what I know of him and some of you might like his older youtube videos but you'll likely not find him unless you know what to look for which can't be brought up here so meh... -
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The difference between SG:U and SG:A and SG-1 is that SG:A and SG-1 focus mainly on 4 characters that are balanced around "military man", "physicist", "anthropologist/everyman", and "alien" which gives you 4 very good perspectives of "shoot first", "thats cool technology", "Aliens are cool!", and "You people are strange..." that are middle aged/young...while SG:U focuses on 2 old main characters, one being the military guy who thinks "shoot first! I don't want to be leader because it's apparent I'm incompetent but I must be leader!" and one being the science guy "Shoot first! This technology is cool and must be protect...and that includes from incompetent leaders" and then has 4+ secondary and tertiary characters...which are all age like 20-30...unless they are scientists or "authority figures" who have to be older obviously. -
Gotham City Sirens #18:
Zatanna and Talia plot to take Selina's memory of Bruce's Secret Identity while Ivy and Harley argue with her and eventually each other about Selina deceiving her and whether it was right or wrong. It a nice look at the various psychologies and the tension between each of the characters, but overall I think this will be an excuse for some nonsense in the near future where Selina forgets and I don't like that... I think it also might be an interesting turn if Selina discusses her relationship with Bruce and gets Bruce to talk with Ivy and Harley and eventually tell them his identity which would be a natural extension of what those characters have gone through over the last several years with Ivy and Harley both coming down more on the hero side than on the villain side...and them both liking Bruce Wayne. Also with Batman Inc. it would give them a super knowledgeable ally in Ivy as a tech support of sort for the new Batmen... and with Harley... well honestly what other line would her psychology knowledge be more apt in other than choosing Batmen and helping with catching other criminals, ultimately helping Joker remain on top.
Detective Comics #872:
Middle of the story, not really anything to talk about. I think the whole conclusion of this episode was meh at best and at worst was BS. The back up left me annoyed as the background they try to fill you in on doesn't make any sense because almost nothing in the exposition happened as far as I know... and the ending goes against what those characters would do in those situations.
Batman: The Dark Knight #1:
Mediocre start with a mediocre cliffhanger at the end... the story so far leaves me questioning why they haven't just used Zatanna which would be a nice look into their relationship instead of introducing this new character that is more or less a hack character with her name being Dawn Golden and her father's name being Aleister and series supposed to be more about the paranormal events that Bruce encounters... If I were new to reading comics or had never heard of Batman, I'd likely not pick this up. -
Quote:from the list i have from comicvine i think your list has comics from next week on that list because your list has like GL, Titans, and a number of other from DC that didn't come out this week...or your comic shop is just messin with you or a lot of issues missed their release dates...No, it's from the 29th, as it has Batman: TDK listed as well. It may be that it was slated to come out this week, and ended up being next. Or maybe a typo. I've had that happen before. Saw a comic was out one week, and found out it was actually the next.
Anyways my pull list for this week is only
Gotham City Sirens 18
Detective Comic 872
Batman: The Dark Knight 1
though if i ever get through my superman reading it will also have been Action Comics 896 -
That's an older picture...
Also, as some of you apparently haven't noticed. That is painted/drawn/CG artwork. it's been a while since I went to the artists page to know what exactly is and isn't art and which is real... The artist is female and she has several other similar images last time i saw them...
Edit: Here's the the artists' Blog...and there is a vid of how they do the image...
http://fanartexhibit.wordpress.com/?s=wonder+woman
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Quote:You might hate to know that i have an extra magic ticket to wolfman's and Johns' story factory that I'm not sure what to do with at the moment... and they do a great job of loaning their voices to our favorite comic heroes once more.I'll see what I can find...thanks for the info, Foamy. There's an irony not lost on me that I'm very interested in checking out a certain MMO that has a bit to do with DC, and Johns and Wolfman wrote the main story arc and a lot of missions respectively...
But hey, I'm really wanting just to hear Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill do their thing....
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And as far as the arguments go I just think that the arguments are coming from a like/dislike point of view and not any real argument, but that's not a bad thing... it's just you can't really convince someone to like or hate something. If the argument was actually that it was inconsistent or bad quality then we could go in and see where either of us are wrong because consistency only means that the character could possibly have gone this way and quality is a matter of technical stuff, such as why LotR to me is a horrendous book that gets way too much praise, because the praise comes from being a good book, and not from being an awesome example of world building. Now on the former I can see that it is possible that they act that way. And I don't think anyone has ever dinged him on bad writing form a technical standpoint... so for you to have a legit argument from one of those points is to explain how it is not possible that those characters could have made those decisions or that the book itself is somehow written badly.
And because of this we go to the base opinion of I do or don't like the story and explain why -
Quote:I read them, and did not attempt to discuss them because it is more important to me to find out what your difference in opinion comes down to...where the split between what I think and what you think is.Durakken ignored whole chunks of points when I started raising them (and I was and remain open to straight up debate and discussion)
You say that your problem is with consistency and yet you agree at first that Prime is showed to be at least consistent, while Kal-L it seems that you don't like what they did and are trying to come up with arguments for it rather than it really being about those things.
At that point it becomes worthless to try to discuss the point because we are coming from two different points. I don't think what they did with the characters are bad. Nor do I think they is anything important inconsistent, out of character, or that there is lack of quality in the writing.
I can see how the people came to those conclusions and how they could think they were in the right. You are saying you can't, even when showing an example of a similar situation. This to me shows that you just don't like the idea of how the characters were used rather than there is any actual problem with what they did with the characters. -
Quote:You mean like how Kal-L sees that the whole universe is going to hell in a hand basket because of a choice he made and can fix...and he can be indeed looked at selfish as he should still see he has a duty to New Earth being that it is an amalgamation of his earth and 4 others...but instead he selfishly seeks out "eternal peace" with lois...That argument and example you provide makes no sense...in the scenario you've presented, the characters have changed time from what they know, as characters, that will have flow-on effects and consequences. They are aware of the necessity to restore the timestream to its original state because of the damage they see its done to everyone. Bruce acts selfishly to save his parents, but then realises that the act is not only wrong, but has terrible consequences.
Quote:The act they take then is selfless and heroic.
Like you know, leaving eternal peace to save the world from it's heroes which is obvious if they could see the future or present...His primary motivation is not so save lois, though that might have tipped it, but rather to save the earth. -
Quote:Sorry but no, we see this happen all the time.
Kal-L's motivation for 'restoring' his Earth: I'm sorry, but that's a straw man argument. It's as I said in my previous response to you and that is that doing so fundamentally compromises a keystone of his core personality. The 'ends justify the means' argument falls apart because you're dealing with a character that will not do that. And he has not done that in sixty years of prior character history. This isn't just some other character, you're talking the very foundation character that the term 'superhero' is coined for. If you're going to ignore that benchmark, you may as well ignore the one for heroic ideals as well. Being a hero that does villainous things makes you a villain. Even Superman.
For example, in one story, Superman and Batman are sent back in time and are about to witness the Waynes' murder. Bruce stops it and then Superman travels 30+ years into the future and sees that I believe Zod has taken over the Earth which prompts Superman to grab Bruce and go back in time again and stop Batman from stopping the murder.
Superman and Batman literally rewrite time twice because they think it will be better this way or that way. This is exactly the same thing that you are saying that Superman has never done.
It is never "wrong to do" when its you thinking that the universe isn't the right way because it's not your universe, but it's always that the other guy doing it that is the villain.
Kal-L is acting in accordance with his character and in the right when he does what he does. He is only portrayed as villainous because he is acting in opposition to the "heroes" that wish to preserve their universe and not because he acting all evil and mwahahaha I'm going to destroy you. -
Quote:I'm going off memory here as i don't wish finding it in my archives, but all of what Alexander Luthor and Kal-L says about this "paradise dimension" is speculation and can be largely ignored as being influenced as being "drawn" there. We nor they know what is in there and really doesn't matter because from the point of view of the universe itself the important thing would be to make it seem appealing and cloud their judgement which it clearly does. There is no more reason for THEM walk into oblivion than any other character that was left behind or came back later other than a natural "pull" that makes every character that doesn't belong obtusely aware of that fact.Hold on...as written, and we must, presumably, take the text at its word...the four characters are literally going to a place of everlasting peace. Kal-L even says to Lois that they can be together forever. Where in that is there a suggestion that Lois then is susceptible to old age, illness or death? It's what is written afterwards in Infinite Crisis that makes those presumptions, and with no basis other than to create a conflict for Kal-L. No 'here's life in the Paradise Dimension', no 'exploration of their lives there', only the conclusions that Alex Luthor has come to and convinces Prime and Kal-L of. That's it. The writer's created the situation to force those reactions.
Quote:Again, it's not a natural conclusion for Kal-L to come to. A consistent character trait of his to see the best in everything and everyone, else why would the Modern Superman want to redeem the 'evil' Prime in Legion of Three Worlds? That's a reduction of Kal-L's clearly heroic ideal personality and making it suit the story. He's distraught over his wife, so the ends justify the means. I call BS on that story logic. Kal-L is forced into those conclusions to suit the story. He doesn't come to them from any position in those stories, he's given the position of omniscient viewer. Lois is frail and dying, but we're given no context for that other than she is. Did the Paradise Dimension do it? Was it not Heaven after all? All we're given is her situation and how it impacts on Kal-L. And what does it do? Forces his reaction. Justify how that is natural.
Quote:The last part about the right intentions getting screwed up is all fine for more rounded flawed characters, but we're talking superheroes here and the revolving point of this discussion has been the suggestion that Johns is trying to reinforce the heroic ideal. Therefore if the heroic ideal (and that is the key word, ideal) is to encourage the Modern Age heroes to live up to the ideals of their predecessors, how is presenting one of them and their decisions to be tremendously flawed demonstrating that idea? Prime is a reactionary cipher with views expressed by and impressed upon by his author, not as his character. This ties back into the discussion we've already had as to whether Prime could be redeemed. And if you judged it solely on his character and ignored the metatextual nature that he's presented, you could not.
Quote:But the problem is he breaks the fourth wall, demonstrating knowledge that as a regular character he couldn't have, both watching the DC universe as an omnipotent viewer to 'reality punching' continuity changes (which is essentially as good as hand waving away bad writing), to directly addressing the audience. If that isn't crossing the clear boundary between character and author, I don't know what is.
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We are left with no reason to believe that those characters even actually existed after that because death is "everlasting peace" too. it doesn't describe anything and really it's relative to who's talking. But that being said, even if all 4 characters were medical geniuses it is likely they wouldn't have the materials to treat any problems Lois might have.
Other characters...Kal-L is portrayed as having good intentions who realizes his mistake and one can understand how he came to that conclusion with the whole identity crisis and such. He believes he is doing the right thing, that the heroes aren't heroes... and thats how a lot of people felt within the world at that time so it makes sense.
As far as build up and how dark the situation really was...well it's possible that they could see not just the present but the future. Why is this important? Because in the future before IC there would have been a long dark period for earth... which is explored a little bit in Teen Titans. In the future they likely saw, most of the heroes has also died, and their replacements had tore the US apart and become more or less villains... so yeah, considering that, IC could have been seen as preventative to a degree on Superboy-Prime's and Luthor's part... and Superboy-Prime, may have even started out with noble goals but the deeper he got the more he dug himself into a hole and got treated as a villain.
Haven't you ever started something with the right intentions and ran into resistance and instead of backing down or letting cooler head prevail dug in and fought harder...only to find that they fought harder and gotten into a spiral of making worse and worse choices? That's pretty much what i think prime's character does. -
Ummm
It is assumed that Lois was like in 60-80 and roughly 10 years passes between the two crisis. That makes her 70-90 years old and even under the best conditions, which even though it may be a "paradise" probably doesn't have the staff nor the technology to deal with old age so it isn't at all unreasonable to believe that she might die sooner rather than later and thats not considering the stress of dimension crossing and other stuff that is known to effect characters in the DCU. -
Superman/Batman #79
Batman Annual #28 2011
Batman: Streets of Gotham #18
Green Lantern: Larfleeze Christmas special #1
Batman, Inc. #2
Green Lantern Corps #55
Here's the list I'll be reading this week...
Also I'm gonna give DC Universe: Legacies a chance and JLA's cover looks interesting too -
SuperOz, Superboy-Prime's character is consistent in my opinion.
He has a chance to save the day by the side of his hero Kal-L.
He gives this up largely without thinking and follows the lead of Luthor and Kal-L
Later he realizes that what he saved was not what he thought he was and further it was tarnishing the name of his hero. Worse yet, he didn't grow up having super powers or having the responsibility or having any real role models to draw from so his love for Kal-L and wanting his world back was twisted.
This caused the outrage and such in IC and then the break down pretty much in other titles as he starts to realize he isn't living up to his name... So at this point it is a matter of does he think he himself can be redeemed and how accepting is he of that.
Luthor on the other hand has virtually no modus operandi to do what he did other than knowledge and time to plan out how to do it along with the god complex all Luthors seem to have... -
WHF, what are you talking about? I didn't give an explanation as to why my opinion isn't affected. I simply said it wasn't. That's not an explanation. That's a statement.
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I think LunarKnight hit on the head, Superboy-Prime is pretty much the fan boys of the Silver/Golden age, quite literally, that can't stand that the characters have grown and evolved. Kal-L on the other hand represent the fans that get that the gold/silver age were good, and while he may not agree with them, they have their place too and he can see the good in them. Luthor on the other hand represents the want for a fusion of and the need to return to a less dark universe...
IC really is that happening...
Everything I've read of Superboy-Prime beyond that it seems some writers don't quite get that, but then the character is built around the raging fan boy anyways so it's not hard to write him right. I think though that too many people think that he is irredeemable at this point as a person... which is hard to argue because the likely hood that he'd listen to anyone is hard to dispute. -
Quote:Spoilers don't ruin my experience, never have, and never will.Spoilers *must* affect your opinion, because then there are no surprises. Discovery is pretty much the entire point of storytelling. Nevermind plot twists like the Kobayashi Maru reveal in Star Trek II or the "I see dead people" twist of Sixth Sense, the unfolding of the story and revelation of character are why we watch movies and television and read books at all. If you already know what's going to happen, you can't experience that. It's impossible, in fact.
Therefore spoilers ruin your experience, period. Seeing something cold is always better. Always. Anyone who says differently is wrong.
If you think the movie was good with it's rushed action scenes and horribly plot holed story then great, you enjoyed something. If you don't see the problem with what was stated in the movie then I'm not going to convince you, no matter whether I'm right or wrong, that that there is a problem so I don't see the point in continuing this conversation. -
I know that...
Imagine a TV service that you can search through via tags, genres, and titles thus letting you get what you want and then for commercial they'd just have to sell based on tags/genres demographics... this would allow for better marketing which is what commercials want while the demographics get to be informed about things they may want to be informed about. We also get to watch what we want when we want and we get accurate ratings.
And most people really don't mind commercials that are related to what they want and are unobtrusive... so... I don't see any problem with keeping things the same length with the same amount of commercials.
Pretty much the perfect compromise but won't happen for a while even though it can be done right now, but whatever... -
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Quote:Code interacting and having unplanned for effects happen. It's a well known thing in programming and is in no way revolutionary...well no more so than discovering the grid.The ISOs were different because they weren't programmed. They came into existence spontaneously.
Which is why CLU hated them - they represented a chaotic random contamination of his perfect world.
It's also why K.Flynn was so fascinated by them.
Also:
"Why did Flynn want to stay in the Grid?"
It was to keep the keys to the portal away from CLU.
"Why was the only way to destroy CLU to kill himself?"
They never said it was the only way, just that it was possible to re-integrate CLU back to Flynn, but the process would likely kill them both.
They weren't going to use that option originally, planning to exit the Grid and shut down CLU from the outside. Flynn did it in the end to keep CLU from entering the portal, because he'd run out of options.
"Why did CLU care if Flynn stole his Disk back?"
Admittedly this one isn't so clear, but from an in-universe standpoint, they'd already established the Disk as the sole key to the portal. The MacGuffin.
As such a mere copy of the disc being usable to open the portal would be "cheating" in a cinematic sense. You don't establish a premise and then proceed to ignore it. That'd be bad storytelling.
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Users represent more of the chaos element than ISO than the whole plan was to perfect the grid for Users...That element of chaos would have been seen as a good thing and not a bad thing. CLU would have known this that order and chaos is not the same thing as perfect and flawed.
Flynn stayed in the grid because the portal closed before he could get out. No intelligent person would go "CLU wants to take over the world and he can only do that if I stay in here so I should stay in here even when I have an opportunity to get out because there is risk of getting caught" probability says that the longer you stay in the more likely it is you'll get caught so it is stupid to stay in when you have the chance to leave
The idea of "reintegration" is stupid. What does it do, and why would that be needed with CLU vs another program? even if its a special program that should have nothing to do with Flynn as Flynn isn't a program...at best CLU is a copy and not linked... but whatever.
The disc was never the key to the portal EVER. It was even stated that programs can leave without the disc. So again, the movie should have been over the minute Sam opened the portal from a plot stand point...the movie has no more reason to continue. Well, it does, but not "to get the disc" And the whole master key thing is thrown out the window since Sam was able to access the system without knowing anything.
And that interview shows that the creative team thinks a system that is untouched for 20 years, even the top of the line system, runs and upgrades by itself v.v