Draugadan

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Me, Lord Recluse, Ravenshadow, Poz, Another programmer (no cool handle), Capt. Mako.

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Edit: Dang... Warcabbit beat me too it...


Draugadan

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The bilboards around town that have such a paranoia feel are alot like the anti-muti propaganda that the X-Men fought.

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For some reason they remind me of Roddy Piper's movie "They Live"

Draugadan

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Exact billing is still TBD (COV is a while off). However, it will -not- be $15 a month for COH and another $15 for COV if you're playing both.

It'd be nice to charge a bit more per month for the COH+COV combo (like the $15+$5 mentioned above) but in practice, if you can only play one character (regardless of it being a hero or villlain) online at a time...but it'd be tough to justify. Our bandwidth or support costs wouldn't go up as long as it's still one player with both games enabled...though it'd be nice to financially support the extra content development needed to be increasing the content of both COH and COV. And we like money. The question is, would we not really just be incentivizing most players to turn off whatever game they were not playing for most of the month...which would be a) annoying to users and b) not make us more money - not exactly win-win.

However, the exact model is TBD - or, if it's decided, I haven't heard the final decision. Thoughts welcome.

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This confuses me. How can you have PvP if these are seperate games?
Seperate games to me would be like EQII and SWG. I thought CoH and CoV would be more like Rebels and Imperials in SWG. No? Aren't villians and heros going to be able to interact on the same server? I thought that there would not be different Villian servers... I thought that the current servers would just suddenly have villian players. Which to me makes it an expansion not a new game. And I have no intention of paying a penny more to play an expansion. I know that different things for different folks... I personnaly hate PvP so would not pay a cent to play CoV. I did plan on buying it because I understood there would be content on there that even CoH non PvP people wanted. I also thought that it would be fun to create a villian (only if there is non PvP villian content). But... I will not pay a cent more in subscription fees for CoV. Nope, that would be the first thing Cryptic would dissappoint me with if they did that.


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As a side note, yes British food is bad but what exactly IS American food?

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There are many uniquely American (USA) dishes. Many are regional. Cajun has been mentioned. Creol is another unique to that region.
Southwest cuisine is also very unique (no it isn't Mexican). Original Texas Chili is American food. Corn originally was found in the Americas as was the tomato (imagine Italian cooking without the tomato). US food is much more than just a melting pot of food. There are many foods that can honestly be called American (US).

You can pick a region of the US and find many unique dishes. If you want to talk America the continent... then the list gets even bigger. Mexican of course, but each country in Central and South America have very unique dishes. Potato's in Bolivia, beef in Argentina... it is a very long list.
I am sure our Canadian friends from the north can list many unique Canadian dishes. I have been to 24 countries and each and everyone has had a splendid cuisine.

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Good deal. Now this whole mess can go away. I can now get two badges!

Oh, and for the Canadian player who seemed to think that I (as an American) would somehow be

"on the edge of taking offense at the fact that I am supposed to stand beside a meaningless (to me) flag as a symbol of my character's concept of "Freedom"."

It wouldn't bother me one bit. You know what? I liked Alpha Flight. I thought they had cool costumes. There's a canadian guild on my server that has people from all over that have cool, canadian flag inspired costumes and you know what? They look very cool. It wouldn't bother me *one bit* to wear the leaf on my costume if a mission was about saving Canada. If there was an expansion centered in Nova Scotia, I'd be all over it and singing Oh Canada till the cows come home.

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/agree outstanding post. 5 stars for you.

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As to why there is no Maple Leaf symbol, why not ask why there is no Star of David symbol? Why is there no Brazilian Constalation symbol? Why are you only asking about the Maple Leaf?

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Thank you for accidently making the point. This is an international game. No country should be held above any other. Period.

Thank you, please drive through.

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International? Maybe in players.. but not in setting. This is a game that takes place in America. How is that a difficult concept? There was no accidently made point. It is silly to expect that a city in the middle of RI will reflect an International flavor. There is a story that goes with the game. If this game were in the UK would you say it was unfair there were no USA flags on the UK buildings? No USA badge for standing next to the flag atop Parliment? Would anyone be offended if there was a French badge for standing next to the Eiffel tower? The arguements here are just plain silly. If you don't like your character (a make believe comic book type creation) being associated with the USA , then don't play a game that has as it's setting the United States of America.

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Just had this discussion on another board.

I don't know how to put this in a manner that won't make most Americans take offense at it, so believe me when I say I don't mean to be offensive in any way.

I am a Canadian, and proud to be so, just as I am sure many US citizens are proud of their country. I don't associate the US flag with any concept of "Freedom" particularly. I don't feel any emotion at all when I see a US flag. So for me associating "Freedom" as a concept and standing beside the US flag is meaningless. I am on the edge of taking offense at the fact that I am supposed to stand beside a meaningless (to me) flag as a symbol of my character's concept of "Freedom". Its kinda like taking your natural pride and emotional associations with your national flag and shoving them down my throat so to speak.

I don't hate the US, and I have (literally) never met an American I didn't like or find friendly. I have visited the US, and its ok, although I have no desire to live there. While I respect the US and its citizens, I don't see it as any greater a symbol of freedom or democracy than I do my own country or dozen's of other countries in the world. I know many Americans like to think of themselves that way, but much of the rest of the world doesn't share that view particularly.

I would be happier if they dropped the concept of a Patriot/Freedom badge entirely. Its not a big thing for me, and I understand what the devs are probably trying to express - but it rubs the wrong way on all non-US players (and there are a fair number of us I expect) to be forced to support an American-centric view of what symbolizes Freedom.

How would you feel if you had to stand beside the Canadian Flag?

oh and while we are at it, how come there is no Maple Leaf symbol in the chest details choices. There's a fleur-de-lys...

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I don't know how to put this in a manner that won't make most Canadians take offense at it, so believe me when I say I don't mean to be offensive in any way.

I don't hate Canada, and I have (literally) never met a Canadian I didn't like or find friendly. I have visited the Canada, and its ok, although I have no desire to live there.

This is pretty typically Canadian. No one is forcing anyone to do anything. Don't take the badge. If everyone would turn to the left, now the right, I'm sure they will notice the complete absence of a gun barrel pointed at their head.

Where is the outrage at the Italian flag on The Family badge??? I guess my sensabilities are not as "Selective" as some others who play this game.

As to why there is no Maple Leaf symbol, why not ask why there is no Star of David symbol? Why is there no Brazilian Constalation symbol? Why are you only asking about the Maple Leaf? Sorry, but the rest of the world doesn't necessarily share the same view of entitlement that many Canadians do. It's not big deal to me, since I don't rely on Canada for much of anything, but it rubs the wrong way on all non-Canadian players (and there are a fair number of us I expect) to be forced to support an Canadian-centric view of what symbols belong in the game.

How would you feel if you had to wear the American Flag on your chest? Well that's the whole point, you're not forced to.

That badge offers no more advantage to a player in the game than a Maple Leaf on a characters chest would. It's a matter of choice.

And why was there no cry of foul play about the United States flag on top of city hall from the very outset of play? Well we all know that one.

FOTM

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Well said Rod, I have tried so hard not to comment. But this is beyond silly. The city hall (much like the city hall in my town here) has an American flag. The town is full of Americans, helping Paragon City, RI, and the United States of America. Heroes in this town are GUESTS of the United States of America. If this game ever expands to include other nations cities (I hope it does...) then I would expect the buildings in that city to fly the appropriate flag, and perhaps give a badge appropriate to that country.
What badge would you give for the flag in a French city?
What badge for a Japanese city? English? Russian? Canada?
I am sure there is something unique to each.

On a side note... I lived in the UK for over 3 years. I prefer American bacon. The bacon there is similar to what we in the US would call Canadian Bacon. Otherwise I loved the food. Fried bread and pork 'n beans for breakfast anyone?
Loved the chips. wonderful stuff. And... bread pudding? Mmm... wonderful roasts... I honestly think there is wonderful food there. I think the UK gets a bit of a bad rap when it comes to food. (Of course... I even liked haggis when visiting Scotland... so... ymmv).

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