Decorum

Tick tock. If they didn't have it planned already, there's no way they'd get anything worthwhile out in a month.

I still love the lowbie game.

Well, energy and control at the very least keep your teleporters running.

WarWitch did say there were literally hundreds of new missions, but that's GR as a whole and, yeah, no details.

And it keeps screwing up my drink order! No tip for Virtue!

I will certainly agree here. The visible population is down. The whole "hang out under Atlas" thing seems to have gone out of vogue on the lower pop servers a couple of years ago. I would contend that people left are more playing the game than just hanging out somewhere.

Ehhhhh, ssssssort of. I'm not really claiming it's a selling point, because I don't think either one really is. I'd say having a variety of population servers is a good thing, but I wouldn't advertise either one.

Inherent? No, I'd agree there. It's more a preference thing. It's easier to be a big fish in the small pond, for instance. Some people don't like the constant Broadcast babble. Some don't like the constant blind invites to teams and SGs. Everyone's different. Myself, I was more intimidated than excited my first time logging into Virtue. "Other people" were a low thing on my list, as I'd just started and hadn't even really figured out how to play yet. It was a while before I wanted to team.

Point, noting that "busy/quiet" are relative to each other.

The advantage is in variety of choices.

To a degree, but exaggerated. Not "no one". Just not large crowds.

And that comes down to "What's 'quite a few'?" is variable between people. I'm not saying at all that it would be bad to see some more capes fluttering in the wind, but I'm also saying not seeing it isn't cause for doom.

"If" not "when". Doesn't even appear to be on their radar at the moment.

Well, first it's the internet, where reductionism and ignoring large parts of things is sadly par for the course.

And second, Praetoria only has 1-20 content (so far). The 20-50 side changing stuff takes place in Paragon and the Isles, but you are correct that it's all part of GR.

Again, "almost no people" is an exaggeration. And I will contend that "we have busy servers for those who want them and quiet ones for those who want them" IS a selling point. Versatility is always a selling point.

We really don't have a low SUBSCRIPTION population, just a low population on some servers.

No I won't. I don't put emotion into these things at all (aside from, y'know, being a terminal wise-*** ). The business owners are doing just fine, thanks. They just had direct competition come out that has been roundly hailed as, if not a failure, certainly no threat. We'll see what DCUO has up its sleeve for round two.

The accountants couldn't care less if the servers are busy or not. They only care about subscription, box, and peripheral moneys.

Why not? No skin of their nose to say "this is one of the slower servers and it's early in the morning U.S. If you're looking for crowds of people, they're usually on Virtue or Freedom." People do that all the time.

Where are you seeing this stuff? I've never seen anyone new bashed for moving to another server that I can remember. In fact, starting a new character on Freedom or Virtue is almost always mentioned in those threads. Those threads usually break out into fights further on, but it's almost always vets vs. vets.



See previous post for what I was saying was exaggerated. It wasn't any of that.

TR? DR? EDIT: Sorry, too me a minute to get that was Tabula Rasa and Dungeon Runners (and DR was awful, and an unwise idea to compete directly in the general fantasy MMO arena anyway).

So...two, three minutes, maybe?

Depends on what one is looking for.

No one, but no one ever claimed there was no population disparity nor that the lesser populated servers were lesser populated. "Empty" is a far different story than "lesser populated". And the disparity was not what I was saying was exaggerated. "Empty" was one part of the exaggeration. "People seeing other people in the game right off the bat is the most important thing" (never stated, very much implied) was also.

And, hey, I mentioned earlier that I see the problem, I just don't see it as being anywhere near as bad as you and Frosty do, nor as important. It'd be nice to see more people sometimes, but I still contend that it's not as important to player retention as is being claimed.

Then they had enough.

It is now, and has always been "it varies wildly, with most people in the middle and tapering off towards the endpoints".

Oh, one need not be unintelligent to say stupid or ill-informed things. Hell, I'll admit to it from time to time and I have a near-genius IQ (not that that's really an indicator).

This is probably the slowest time of day for Victory. And there's still someone there. And how long did you wait around to see if anyone crossed your field of vision?

Meh, CoX has always proudly held itself up as not like the other MMOs (and they're not). I mentioned two things earlier. CoX draws a bit of a different crowd than most MMOs. And it's all about expectations. The expectations that keep being held up here are going to be from gamers that have played other MMOs, I think. While this likely is a sizable portion of our playerbase, it's hardly a majority by itself. They're also usually more well-informed than the straight on MMO newb, and would more likely have the attitude of "Where is everyone?" rather than "There's no one here, I quit." People keep trying to attribute attitudes of new players, and usually without the "likely", "mostly" "somewhat" kind of qualifiers (EDIT: Even me, but I fixed ).

Oh, hey, many many times on the lower populated ones, too. I was positing an "at worst" scenario.

So, what you're saying is that people were there and you saw one. Mission accomplished! Maybe you should have asked him where the people were. He's have probably told you.

I spend a lot of time on these forums. For every person that acts like you describe, there will be 4-5 giving polite, helpful, solid advice. There's dinks everywhere, it really can't be escaped, only countered.

It's not "head in the sand", it's "you're focused on something that you've mostly exaggerated to fit your doom".

Ask someone?

To me, this just sounds strange. It's like you're saying they're going to quit if in the first glance around in the first five minutes they don't see anyone. I'd counter that people with that level of impatience probably won't stick with the game no matter what. If you look around to different zones and wait 15 minutes or so you WILL see at least someone (EU servers excepted, because I don't know from personal experience and they have their own separate but equal issues that don't apply to the NA servers and vice versa). Victory is hardly the top of the heap, but I see people in the mainly traveled zones (Atlas, Steel, Talos, PI) at all hours of the day and night.

Like I said, they can ask the people they see. They can ask in Broadcast. Anyone who would log in, not see a lot of people and base things entirely on that seem like very stupid people indeed to me. Not because I'm so familiar with the game but because people who wouldn't ask questions in that scenario just makes no sense.