Coyote_Seven

Hello again, mister Slippery Slope! How I missed you since yesterday.

Why would it be meaningless? You still earned it, didn't you?

You understand where I'm coming from on that? Just because you don't like the idea, you don't want others to be able to just purchase the darned costume bits from the market. Yeah, that's... not fair at all.

If you are, then you're doing in a very funny way. The solution is rather easy: Make the costumes available on the market and continue to have them be unlockable via the ITF. The people who will be miffed at this will be few, compared to the majority of the playerbase (presumably you and EG, and... who else?).

Why are you arguing against me? I'm always an advocate for freedom of choice, and by the looks of things, the devs seem to like the idea of selling more costume sets on the market. What, exactly, is it going to depreciate if the Roman costume set is suddenly available there?

Like I've got the time to go around and check each and every post either of you have made over the last few years. I don't recall ever responding to either of you before, though I have argued with a lot of people on this board in the past. All I know about you and EG are the words you've written in this thread.

Wrapping yourself up in a banner of righteous indignation actually does nothing to either bolster or endear your point of view. Though I'm sure it might sway some people, such an appeal to others' emotions is merely fallacious at best, and deceitful at worst.

Soooo... when the Roman costume bits are eventually made available on the market, are you going to start complaining about it this vociferously?

Tell me where I said that I want the ITF to not unlock the Roman costume bits, if it is then made available on the market.

Did you just compare studying for years to earn a college degree to playing a videogame? o.O

This is so funny, because that is exactly what I've been trying to tell you and Evil Gecko. Giving the players more choice will always appeal to a great many different types of them, and not just one. Allowing them to either get costume bits via the market or by unlocking them from inside the game is giving them more choice. More choice is good!

So far, players such as yourself and EG represent a single type.

Which must mean, of course, that you're muttering the words "to me" after you say the word "appeals".

I covered this in my response to Evil Gecko. If that content can't stand up on its own without the need to lure players in with unlockable shinies, then it's that content that needs to be changed.

Eh. I see no need for something like this...

Really, why are the concerns of these "achiever" types any more important than the ones who "want it now"? Even the names you use for these two types of players reveals your reverence for one and your disdain for the other. Why are these so-called "achievers" that you talk about so irate over the very idea of being able to buy goodies they had to "earn"? Sounds like a lot of butt-hurt to me, seriously.

Try selling that idea on the Market and Inventions forum.

That was a bug. But I'm sure you knew that.

Again, that was a bug in the AE system.

Another bug. Helllooooooo?

Yeah, you know what? I'm not even gonna bother with this. You might as well haul out the entire list of known issues with the game, since you seem to equate bugs with selling costume parts on the market.

You do know what a program bug is, right?

LOL

That's not all that you've been trying to say, though. Do you really not know what you've been trying to insinuate? Or do you just want me to keep saying the same thing in different words over and over again to... what, see if I'll crack? *shrug*

Oh, so then you do agree that it's not a big deal for people to be able to buy stuff in the game that was previously just unlockable via game content? Otherwise, stop trying to engage in a fancy "no u" argument. Or have you been trolling us this entire time?

This is a laughable excuse to keep people from being able to buy more stuff on the market. I'll let you in on a little secret about those kinds of achievements: they're personal. That means another player who doesn't know you will probably not care one bit about the stuff you have "achieved" inside the game. I certainly don't. I collect badges because they're neat and shiny. But I have no delusion that anyone else is clicking on my characters and examining them to awe at just how many I've gotten over the years.

If that's a problem that you have, then basically what you've been saying in this thread so far is that your own desires are more important than the desires of everyone else. That's part of why I find your arguments here so disingenuous in the first place. You're not concerned about other players' experiences in this game, you're miffed at the mere notion that someone else could be able to buy a costume set that you had to "work" for. It bothers you so much that you'd be willing to diminish other players' experiences in the game over it.

If people stop playing certain content because the rewards it gives were suddenly available in some other way, that tells me that that content has become tired and boring. If they needed to be coerced into playing it with the promise of some shinies, instead of finding the experience of that content to be rewarding unto itself, then maybe that content needs to be looked into and revamped. The things you do inside a video game should be fun, not a chore. I would not want to force people to have to do something inside a game if they really were not finding it fun, that's just cruel.

Maybe the mothership raid needs to be spiced up a bit then? *shrugs*

This is, as they say, your problem. You should stop trying to make it everyone else's problem. Thank you!

LOL

I have no problem with you disagreeing. But I find your reasons flawed, and your offered reasoning a bit disingenuous.

Actually, yes it was. You tried to use scare tactics ("...so should we start selling Empath? Or Advisor?"), to imply that once the devs start down this path of selling goodies on the new market that were once only available by doing certain content within the game, then sooner or later they will start doing that with everything in the game.

Aside from the ridiculous notion that selling all the game has to offer on the new market is somehow "bad", just how is what someone else does in this game going to hurt you at all? Why would anyone care what anyone else did in this game? Will they be perpetually kill-stealing from you if they do this? Will they be pulling Giant Monsters and Arch-Villains to your low level characters all the time? Will they sneak into your house at night and replace the game client with Hello Kitty Adventures? Please give me a better reason for not liking this idea other than "I don't like it", if you're going to continue on with such foolishness.

I don't know about you, but I don't go sticking my nose into other peoples' business. If they want to use tickets to buy a costume set so they can use it at level one, then good for them! The ITF is still there. I can still unlock the Roman costume bits by playing it, if I want to do that. Who cares if someone else got it some other way?

Well, I'm certainly glad I have you around to tell me what is and what is not an opinion around here. Perhaps you should take the MST3K Mantra, replace the word "show" with "video game", and repeat it to yourself over and over while you try to calm down. Please, for your own sake. You'll live longer, I guarantee it!

In the meantime, I will continue to give your opinion on the subject the kind of response I feel it duly deserves. Thank you!

Yeah, that part was me shrugging my hands into the air and engaging in a bit of hyperbole.

I've yet to hear a convincing argument from the opposition.

And this is set in stone, forever and ever until the end of time? And is this just for the Roman costume bits, or for all unlockable costume bits in the game? What dev told you this? Or is this just your opinion?

Your slippery slope argument is fallacious. Just because people want to be able to buy costume parts that were only attainable before by unlocking them, that doesn't mean that will lead to us being able to buy an instant level-up to 50 with every Incarnate slot opened up, or whatever scare tactic you were trying to use there, lol.

Speak for yourself, dear. And let me speak for myself: As someone who has unlocked a great deal of content in this game, I am still all for letting all costume bits be attainable via game points! I don't think it diminishes the rewards at all.

Magic and technology can be seen as two sides of the same coin, from a certain point of view. Magic is the art of manipulating the universe through hidden means (hence the use of the word 'occult'). Technology is, quite literally, the study of an art, skill, or craft. Don't think that all magic is a few strange glowing symbols and some strange incantations, and that all technology is shiny metal, plastic and blinking lights; those are mere trappings.

Science came from magic, as humans learned more about the world around them and what was once a secret to us became revealed. We improved our methods of observing the universe; each new discovery yielded even more questions about why this is so and how that worked. We developed rules to ensure that we weren't fooling ourselves and to increase our certainty that we knew exactly why such a thing happened in such a way.

From a certain point of view, the difference between science and magic is really just a matter of semantics. But the proof, as some people say, is always in the results. That's probably why so many technological advances stem from scientific research.

If I go any further, I'll just wax even more anthropological, so I guess I'll stop here.

Never believe it's not so.

That secret, of course, is to resist the temptation to join level 37 Hero tip missions.

She can kill you with a tray, if she so wanted.

1: You're being deliberately obtuse. (Completely ignoring my paragraph about me enjoying being immersed in the game's narrative; Do you listen to others or do you just wait to talk?)
2: This is not all about you. (I am not here trying to ruin your game for you by trying to slow things down, just because I want to stop and look around once in a while.)
3: If you want to speed through the entire game, that's fine. (Just let me know so that I don't accidentally try to tag along, thanks!)

Yes I know that.

I did indeed use the 'Select Task' option. It did nothing, nor did it give me a pop-up. The pop-up happened when, in desperation to abandon that other mission, I tried to enter the door of another mission. I got a pop-up that specifically said that I could not abandon my mission. It didn't say that I would lose progress if I abandoned it, it said that I could not abandon it.

I'm totally with you, right here.

I remember when I first started playing CoH in April 2004. It was with a group of friends (at the time; most of them aren't my friends anymore), and they would take their time to run through task forces. We'd read every word from the TF's contact, and we'd examine every clue. We'd even role-play a little bit while in the missions. That helped immerse us into the story the game was trying to tell, and it actually made me care about what was going on.

Fast forward to today, and on most TFs, I feel lucky if I happen to get an inkling of why I'm even there. Too many players are itching to rush to the end so fast that they probably couldn't even tell you what the story behind it was even supposed to be about. That's even worse than skipping to the end of the book. It's worse than just reading the Cliff's Notes. It's like you picked up a copy of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, and when you opened it there was just a single page, and on that page there was only three words: "Snape kills Dumbledore".

The End.

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