Cowman

Oh wow. Y'know, I was getting frustrated before, but I take it all back now.

You are ADORABLE.

INSTANT OSCAR! Put that sumb****h on BluRay and start printing money!!

Hooray for completely sidestepping the argument!!

It must be strange living in a world where everyone is either one extreme or the other.



This is my major gripe with "realism" these days. It's come to mean the same thing as 'cynicism' and 'depressing'. 'Poignant' is another word that seems synonymous with depressing. I'm not sure why good things all the time seem to automatically be more unrealistic than horrible things all the time, but whatever.

There sure is a reason why it exists.


It really has no bearing on my points, but it DOES have a reason to exist.

Or was that your rebuttal. "This trope does occur, so obviously the opposite could NEVER have a negative side of it's own."

Sorry, if I get invested in a show/book/whatever about a certain character, I wanna see stories about THAT character. Not a season or two of that character and then this other character whose quite similar.

"Look, we've killed off the character's parents, ruined his marriage, crippled his son, and given his dog cancer."

Know what I hear when I see stuff like that?

"Look at us, look at us! Look how gritty and shocking we are! Hold on, there'll be cussin' next!"

It's like in the 90's when they were cutting off Aquaman's hand and smearing shadows all over Spiderman's face in a desperate attempt to be taken seriously.

You monster.

That's one of my ONLY problems with Nolan's Batman. I can appreciate trying to keep Batman grounded in reality, but to do so to the exclusion of parts of his mythos smacks too much of the old view of comic book movies.

"Well, we're not gonna use THAT part of the comic. That's just too silly to work in a movie."

I keep hearing this argument and I gotta ask; what shows, books, etc are cavalcades of "this guy never having a bad day"?

Comics?

No, comic characters are getting put through the wringer just fine.

Movies?

Well, there are comedies, but there doesn't seem to be any shortage of depressing movies.

TV?

No, judging by examples in this thread the "realistic" and soul-crushing shows are coming fast and furious.


So where ARE these shows that are all sunshine and rainbows? Are we talking about children's television? Sitcoms? We can't really blame THEM for not being gritty enough. Sorry, but "realistic" shows are NOT the minority. That's the point of the thread.

The revolving door of death in comics has never bothered me as much as it has others. Can it be eye-rolling at times? Sure, but I view it as a failsafe against cheap shock kills that take out a perfectly good character. I mean, is the solution REALLY to just replace the hero with a different one?

And how long would that last before it got as ridiculous as the returns from the dead.

"Whoops, looks like the Flash got killed again. Cause... y'know, 'nobody's safe', right? But don't worry, here's yet ANOTHER guy with superspeed. I mean, it's only like the 15th guy to show up. Let's get on with the show, but don't get too attached to him. After all, 'NOBODY'S SAFE', remember?"

I'm all for some realism in my entertainment, but the question isn't whether there SHOULD be, it's when is it too much. Nonstop horribleness is just as boring as nonstop happiness.

I'd like to see them keep the plant control and make a real mystery out of it. Murders involving plants and plant-based poisons are occuring in Gotham and Batman has to figure out who's behind it.

Hmmm, this Pamela Isley seems to be a potential candidate, but she has alibis. Some of the murders seem impossible. Batman has to widen his thinking to figure it out. Maybe find out more about Isley. Well she used to work at this one company, but left suddenly. Right around the time some accident occured in one of their testing labs. What was she working on? Plant research? Hmmmm, interesting.

...... Indeed.



I thought he also said he wouldn't be using Catwoman either. Or am I mis-remembering things?

*activating comic-nerd voice*

ALTHOUGH, in the Taskmaster mini-series from UDON, he's actually able to move at double-speed. He can only do so for a very short time or else he risks shattering his bones. Of course, like many things in comics, this ability is never brought up again.

Of course, now they've put in this whole memory thing that really doesn't make any sense. Get him back to running his own merc agency with Sandi.

I think Jackie Chan's a little old for the Kato role.

And hey, you wanna "boycott" the movie that's fine. I didn't see either of the Transformer movies (though I just called it "not seeing the movie"; "boycotting" seemed a little much). I've just never been able to get that worked up about a movie.

Heck, speaking of Howard the Duck, that movie butchered one of my favorite characters ever, and I've still seen it more than once, just for the amusement of it.

This.

Sorry, getting mad at Rogan over his comment just smacks too much like an annoying Star Wars fan who gets all snooty cause some director didn't know what the TIE in TIE Fighter stands for.

I mean, it's sorta like "Oh, that actor made a misinformed and slightly insensitive comment. Why it's almost like he's a *GASP* realistic person!!!"

I find it hard to fault him on this.

Sure, WE know that the Green Hornet is still a beloved character to a good number of people, as well as an inspiration for many of the more current heroes. But to someone who isn't into the comic or pulp world, I can kinda understand how they might think the Green Hornet is a "forgotten hero".

Someone who doesn't read comics would be judging popularity by mainstream saturation. X-Men, Batman, Superman, Spiderman, Hulk, Iron Man, and soon Thor and Captain America would all be judged as "popular" because they have a strong market presence.

Characters like Green Hornet, the Shadow, Doc Savage, the Spider, and even Zorro don't have as strong a mainstream presence and sometimes almost none at all. Therefore it's understandable that someone just going off of the mainstream market would think these characters are forgotten and/or not cared about terribly.

One of MY favorite characters.

Though I gotta say I prefer his UDON costume over his traditional one.

It's troubling, but then there were similar rumors about 'The Incredible Hulk', and that turned out pretty good.

What if we're killed off BY the sexbots.


Death by snoo-snoo.

I'll admit, in the dialog bits it IS mostly jokes. However, Hollywood has a habit of cramming as many jokes (and/or whatever they think will work as a sound-bite) into trailers as they can. The action in between the talking looked pretty bad***, with even Rogan seeming to have a few "pimp-shots" in there.

My hope is that what we see in the trailer is the majority of the "wacky humor". I could VERY easily be proven wrong, but the rest of the footage looked pretty promising. I liked the costumes and vehicles, and the action looked nice and visceral.

The words you speak are strange and nonsensical.

But.... but he just said JLU was better.

This is actually false.

Daft Punk really ARE superheroes.

It's actually just an elaborate scheme to get Bat-Hombre into continuity.

Camouflaged to some people maybe.

But then, I automatically assume that everything the Japanese do or invent has some connection to some sexual fetish.

In Gotham City Sirens, Catwoman tells Poison Ivy and Harley that Bruce Wayne was Batman. Along with Jim Gordon, Harvey Dent, and many others over the years. Basically that Batman is an identity used by a whole group of people.

This move by Bruce would seem to reinforce that idea.

As for the Batman Inc. storyline.... eh, I'm not crazy about it, but it's okay. Heck, if he's expanding, maybe it'll be an excuse for them to bring Cassandra back.