Chyll

I am pretty close to being in your camp here.

I wish there was a way to customize build instead of choose a hard AT... If you want to be a def/ranged or a buff/melee or a melee/buff then make those initial choices at the front screen, let some logical scale/cap balancing be set in the background accordingly along with some power selection filters (say specific power choices vary depending upon choices - similar to the stalker differences with armor sets now..). Balance issues would make this challenging, but it would be incredibly dynamic and fun.

I know, I know, not a new idea. But I like it.

I'll admit that perhaps I misunderstood your point. I love the tanker description for him though, and it isn't one I'd ever considered for Spidey previous to your mentioning it. Perfect fit, IMO.

OKAY, and bricks never means power damage dealer to me.

Using the inconic Dev examples is like citing Superman - a flawed premise. They are not bound by the limitations of players.


First, tankers aren't inept. They aren't anywhere close to inept. Weaker than scrappers... sure. There is little alternative or there wouldn't be the two classes. Second, those text descriptions are antiquated and relative to what? They are strong damage dealers compared to lots of their foes, or the average person. What is the context?


Bad comic writing is bad?


Citing ridiculous cases doesn't help the discussion. But, humoring things - blew out his lights how? with the kryptonite crutch? I'd say yes, as you mention debuff right after.

Anyone can pick up kryptonite, I'd hardly use that as a basis for defining an AT. BUT, I would support a melee support class. And I'd agree that there should have been such at the start, but that isn't the case so it doesn't much matter.

So he's strong? So what? So are many others.


And that is a fallacy. Heck, tanks are some of my best farmers when I need to gather some phat lootz.

Getting hung up on a couple words in throw away text description when tanks play and defeat things just fine just doesn't hold together as a cogent argument.

The fun thing, is that is just opinions and discussion points as the Devs have defined it as it is. Maybe it'll change some time. Maybe it won't. In the end, I believe your expectations for the specific AT just aren't realistic, and I am sorry you remain so unhappy about it.

Take your earlier Spidey example. Your own description pointed out his relatively 'low' damage, but as an SR/ he avoid hits, has crowd control capability, and taunts constantly. I concede completely that he arguably fits the CoH tank model with this description in mind (/SS or /StJ, I'd guess, and pool choices for some other elements if you want to get specific ). Regardless, there are key elements there - 'relatively low' damage because an equivalent StJ/SR scrapper will do higher damage, but less effective in the dodge/durability side and that is a fair game modeling of similarly power choices with a different focus/character. You also made a good point calling on fighting ability, which all characters have (they are supers afterall), but there is a fallacy in equating fighting ability to closely to damage. With game mechanics involved. All of the different powers factor in as elements for consideration beyond damage - accuracy, debuff, mez, etc.

Arcanaville and others have made the excellent observation that level (including incarnate definition) clearly matters here. Rejecting the level difference 'because they are on the same team' is another fallacy. It is not reasonable to assume that Doc Strange and the Hulk hanging out with the Gargoyle (classic Defenders reference) meant that Gargoyle was equal to the cosmic level foes that they may have faced together. And Batman sure isn't going to blow out a sun, but that doesn't stop him from working with Supes. There is a clear distinction in 'level' of power between the characters that has little to do with their supposed archetype - clearly they are sidekicking and exemplaring, so again the CoH modeling is sufficient.

What now?

Superman is OP and broken, and until nerfed, a bad example for anything.

Thor is a god,... so again maybe not a good example. Besides I've never thought of him as anything but a scrapper... He's just too cantankerous and has too many scrapperlock tendancies.

I'll actually grant you that Spidey has tank tendancies. At worst a scrapper that took taunt. But, yeah, arguably an SR/ tank. And fits the CoH mold pretty nicely in terms of it, too.

edit: sidenote, I'm with Geko: wolvie is a scrapper and sabre probably a brute.

No argument from me there.

nice one

Doubleplusthis

Love the whisky reference, nicely done.



I haven't made one yet, but batted these ideas around in my head the other day:


Corryvreckan (was one I grabbed to hold until I level one)
Aqueduct
Estuary (wish I could figure out a way to pair with earth)
Percolator (paired with fire and colored to look like coffee....)



couldn't figure out a good one using the word 'Quaff'

Fair enough. I was in too big a hurry to make the zinger point.

So, the defining characteristics of tankers are survivability and low damage.............

yep. faster recharge, no crash. sign me up

I asked the question because I am not positive I know what the behaviors or desired behaviors of other players are - I just wonder if having invention access would drive added interest in buying an AH license, and then some new marketeers/crafters would be born who may have need for storage and increase storage sales, etc. etc.

Would the net purchases/cash flow be higher, the same, or lower? I do not know, but it is an intriguing question.

I meant tightening free access to the peripherals to inventions - storage capacity, auction slots, et al.

I failed to finish typing that sentence/thought. I agree with you and would not recommend any sort of leveling cap.

This got me wondering...

In theory, making access to inventions freely available and tightening free access to the peripherals to inventions - storage capacity, auction slots, et al. could drive incremental sales volume for those peripherals. I wonder how the net would align with the current approach from a revenue perspective?

Fair enough, and I agree in general. My concern, OTOH, is how many ppl experience this and don't bother to share on the forums? Hence, the basic thought that some sort of communication improvement may help mitigate this "issue". (edit: which as C&E posted next is a perfectly valid, and probably correct, business decision.)

This.

I assume NCSoft wants ppl to return. The number of posts similar to the OP's seems to indicate that something needs to be done to welcome them back better. This may be as simple as some sort of way to notify them explicitly and helpfully about the vet/reward tokens to unlock features. But something to avoid a "wha? huh? that sucks! *walks away*" reaction that appears to be quite possible, and is not really the fault of the player.

Perhaps an infinite number of monkeys typed until they got his password and then gave it to someone else who deleted his characters in their sleep.

Or it is a Nemesis Plot.



On-Topic Aside: As to the OP, this is the only instance I have heard of this, so I doubt it is a general bug. Good luck with your petition.

I for one welcome our new Mathemagical Overlords.