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WHAT?! The price of this IO is WAY too high! Thats it its go time bish! *flips over table*

[pvp battle begins]

Hurl Boulder in the face for 600+ damage FTW!

I'll see you guys in the arena, I'm bringing firewyre and Tek SE-2! WOOO!

True but I also said runspeed! HA!

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Qutie the contrary, my stalker had 600 rep points by the time I ........

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Uh.....Cap for rep is 400. How do you get 6?

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Typo? *shrugs shoulders*

Claws? *Shivers* Everytime I think of a Claws stalker I think of Red Wraith in Warburg. She is pure EVIL. EEEVVILLL!!!!!

/em Fetalposition

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I've played a brute in SC and i've smashed a team of 5. It REALLY helps that the player builds were all completely at a disadvantage. An elec blaster hit me for 7 damage, 2 kinetics try to slow me..etc, i build my fury and smash them. This is with broken fury, which is why i chose claws to go up against something it was at an extreme disadvantage against.


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Okay, We're going to need some more info on this one.

1. What type of brute were you playing?

2. What was the entire team makeup of this team of 5? You've sited 2 Defenders and a Blaster, where are the other 2 you beatdown?

3. Did you pop your tier 9 and then dive in the zone? I could see you taking on a bunch of heroes then.

4. Did you check those Heroe's levels? I've kicked around a few heroes almost effortlessly as well, only to notice that they weren't even in level range for SOs! Killed my "I'm teh winnar!" buzz almost instantly.

5. Lets assume you were playing /electric(i'm going by your "An elec blaster hit me for 7 damage". You said you had 2 /kin's hitting you with Siphon Speed. That should've slowed your run speed to a crawl. Lightning Reflexes(assuming your /electric and you took it) only protects from ONE slow. You could sprint around with Snowstorm on you all day until you accidentally come to close to a pile of caltrops. Then suddenly you're slowed to a crawl.

6. Were you on a team as well or did you do this solo? Did you have any outside buffs on you? Did you pop inspirations? What temp powers did you make use of?

7. What was the general population of the zone? Did it favor Heroes or Villains? Who knows? You could've been so blinded by "I just SMASHED 5 heroes!" that you didn't notice that the group of stalkers following you around took out 4/5 of the team.

8. Was your build Spec'd for PvP? What level were YOU when you accomplished this feat? What powersets were you? All I can assume is ???/Elec and then again I might be wrong.

You don't have to answer all those questions or even any of them if you don't want to, I'm just curious how you, as a brute, managed to do that to a team of 5 HEROES(not Villains in WARBURG. Heroes in Siren's Call.) I look forward to your reply on this.

hahah like thats going t- IBTL +1!

Oh crap, I'm sorry that was a reflex. Seriously!

I've read madman's posts and the responses to them and finally realised that we need to stop arguing with him about this. He's just being cautious about this, overly so in my opinion but thats besides the point.

We brutes haven't had many, if any, Nerf X threads but after this change goes live who knows what might happen. No, I don't agree with madman's statements in the least but they did get me thinking of the consequences that MIGHT happen.

Its most likely nothing though, our PvP effectiveness was broken to begin with, if we start owning in PvP because we were finally fixed then maybe we were supposed to

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? You know i play a brute right? Difference is, i've actually played a scrapper too so i know they don't crit 99% of the time they punch.

After this change, you should roll a claws scrapper, go up against and invuln brute and tell me how it goes. You can do that now if you like and see what goes on.

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Why are you still here?

Mwwhahahahah I'm jk, I'll let replier handle that one, its going to be so sweet.

Alright, lets see here.

What could the devs possibly do to fury in PvP that wouldn't affect it in PvE. Looking at powers that have been changed it seems that self affecting powers can not be differenced from PvP and PvE(I.E. Hurricane).

So, what change does everyone think we will go through.

I put down 1.5 million infamy that our fury will be changed to a flat rate gain vs. all enemy types. I.E. The same as it is for minions, lieuts, boss, EBs, and Heroes/AVs. In turn it will also be given a slower decay rate so we might actually see 100 fury for once

Yes I know above guess is so very wrong but this topic is getting booooring! We need more speculation! Wooo!

Uh oh, looks like i've sent madman over the edge. I'm so ashamed of myself.

Seriously if you're that passionate about this I'll just leave you be but I'll have you know this:

I highly disagree with your suggestion. Brutes are nearly a non threat in pvp aside from FoTM builds. So you want brutes to be more effective against FoTM builds than others? How does that take into account the FoTM builds WE have? But Fine, you're entitled to your opinion but I still disagree with you.

Lets go through some things:

A) Thats a given, you're acting like you're talking to a person who just joined the game much less the PvP portion.

B) Some sets can't do crap without a team. 'Nuff Said. Check out the Rad/sonic in my sig. He's a great PvP support toon but get him alone? Oh yeah he's either gonna die or haul [censored].

C) Heh, who are you calling a PvP Fanboy? I look to PvP as the closest thing to endgame this game has, but i'm not going to sit here and tell you the PvP in this game is fine in its current state. You can be as beligerent as you'd like, thats not going to help your argument though.

I'll counter with this question: Why start with brutes? Why don't you head on over to the Blaster or Scrapper boards and suggest some balancing there? We don't have irresistable damage or irresistable crits. Our Inherent, which we are built around. I.E. RELY ON, was not functioning correctly in PvP which lowered our effectiveness.

How about this compromise: Lets actually see what change the devs come out with before we all nearly kill each other over something we haven't even tested yet. It might be what you're suggesting or something completely different madman.

Hahaha well I'll stick around, I'd like to see where this'll go. Also how'd post count get involved in this? My opinion suddenly matters more because I've upped my post count in the forum games boards? Oh I feel so special

Okay, considering the fact that an Ice/EM doesn't really have to come in Melee with you at all to still kill you I don't see the point of the suggestion you're offering.

I'm with Manchuwook, if we built fury based on damage taken we'd be dead before we could get a hit off. And what about those that pop their tier 9s(the rezzes don't count)?

Now that we suddenly don't take as much damage or can't be hit at all we lose our fury? Whats the point of being a brute then?

I'm still pretty appauled at all this. We finally get some hope on a fix coming down for us and then all of a sudden this comes up?! Why couldn't you have came earlier BEFORE Castle posted about them finding out what was wrong, atleast then you wouldn't have ruined the glee that announcement brought me. *grumble grumble*

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An ice/EM blaster trying to assault a brute is going to have a bad day based on that formula? Someone can welcome him to the real world i guess, there's a reason he picked that combo.


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*shakes head* Do you PvP at all?

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In the end , when you die , its your own mistake . I mostly only play with PuGs and when i see that things arent going well , i leave. And i will certainly withdraw in a middle of a fight if things are turning bad. Some players tends to just stay there , hoping for a miracle to happen and they die . Then they complain. Only you can control your own character , thus you are responsible of his wellfare before everyone else. But of course, blaming the N00b is easyer than blaming oneself i believe

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Sure you can say that but you can also put it this way.

If the person in question(the noob) had not set in to motion the events that caused the team wipe you wouldn't HAVE to run away. Some players would rather go down fighting than run away and leave anyone to die.

I'm like that, I'd rather die once for each member of my team than have them die but thats just how I play though.

All in all theres going to be folks that agree with the OP and those that will defend the "noob" and those that will question the ability of the OP and the team he was with.

Oh and whats up with this?

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Who's more newbish? The newb, or the person who follows him?

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Looking at that made my head hurt.

You DARE come here and try to point out a downside to a Fix for fury in PVP? I'm shocked, I truly am. Oh and what about Dark Melee scrappers? You'll stand there cowering in fear for over half the battle if you don't have any breakfrees. Not to mention that once they start laying down those tohit debuffs you'll have to hit build up to start hitting consistently again.

Claws. Eh they can always kite us with Focus if they feel we're doing too much damage.

Well considering that he said theres no ETA, this shouldn't take more than 2 weeks. :P

Think about it, when they say Soon(TM) or give us a specific date it takes FOREVER.

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does this take into account the fact that not all brutes will be facing ultra burst damage?

It'd be abit unfair for say, a claws scrapper fighting an invuln brute to get him to 50% fury in a couple of attack chains.

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Shhhh! You're going to make ppl start kiting/jousting us even more.

Will an EMP Glove work Iakona or does the attack have to be part of our primary/secondary/pool?

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Umm...it's only about 30min till the concert starts, and I can't connect to w00t. Anyone else having a problem?

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Hmm I'm connected just fine.

Reeeeed

4 hours till it starts. This is gonna rock.

4:36 pm Central time at the time of this post

Well I hope this turns out well.

Tommorrow we'll get to see just how badly we're gonna get mauled.

I just hope I don't cry

lol quit copying me! I'm supposed to be the pessimist!

I figured it would just be you and me and brewha standing around looking stupid. Then I'd jump up in Lord Recluse's face and taunt him like I did last time.

11:30pm Central, ouch. The time they're putting us at looks like we're going to go through hell getting that SF done. I'm guessing close to 6 hours though if we can get brewha in there, we can shave that time down by having him ghost for us.

I wonder if we'll still be sitting around looking for more ppl to do this Fashion.

I hope this actually turns out right