Bonker

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Oh and be sure to list your name if you play on freedom just so I can shove those rude and senseless comments right back down your throat.

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Done and done (read the sig, nubz). See ya in RV!

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Dont get me wrong Im all for players being able to pick any power available to them, wether its on villains side or hero side.

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My Rant is the auto Hide power. If I choose invisiblity then I should be hidden totally just like a Stalker. I honestly think its crap to constatly loose your target after target after target just because they Hide. Ive have soooo many villains down to the wire to where they start running for their lives to only loose them due to them Hiding.

Well shouldn't I have the same option with Invisibilty?! If I chose to run for the sake of living and toggle off Stealth for Invisibility then it SHOULD make enemies loose target as well. This constant being able to target hero's just because they dont have hide is nonsense. It cheats players outta so many kills thats its borderline gamebreaking in the sense.

Talked to a Stalker today as a matter of fact. He told me Stalkers got Hide because they dont Crit.. If thats true then why is it every other post I see that Stalkers in fact DO crit.

Hide+Placate (sp?) make stalkers pretty much high end dmg dealers and shoves scrappers to the bottom of the barrel below Brutes because it makes targeting them next to freakin impossible. Hell Brutes can just stand there and take all the dmg they want from Hybernate while building up Fury.. Total nonsense.

Its almost like PvP was made only for Villains because heroes hardly stand a chance against all the extra "tools" that Villains got over on them. Almost like Heroes are only allowed to get them to 1/4 hp so they can A: Hide B: Hybernate C: Phase Shift. Im sure there are more powers along those lines that do pretty much the same thing, I just dont currently know the names of them. These are the main ones I see 99% of the time though.

/Rant off

For PvP I feel that Powers that are considered UBER Powers or of that nature should be in fact disregarded from the PvP system. That would include Hide, Hybernate, Phase Shift, etc. Any power that makes you undetectable, unable to be touched, or unable to be hindered in anyway shape or form should be deleted or greyed out from PVP zones.

For some players Ive noticed if they didnt have these powers then they pretty much couldnt PvP and thats all that saves their butts from being killed. I believe if those UBER powers were greyed out then PVP would be MORE fun because of more kills for everyone + the fact that when you chase someone down for that final blow it MIGHT be possible to actually get that kill instead of them just disappearing from your sight totally.

I took Phase Shift on my PvP build because its the only chance I have at reletively even getting away from the Heavy dmg stalkers can do right off the bat + if your tryin to kill a brute with Hybernate then you have 4 villains just pop outta no where and try to eradicate you while you were trying to kill the brute. But then again Phase Shift CAN be gotten through and the player can still be killed. I feel the same should be made for Hybernate and Hide should be set up like Invisibility where players can still see you and your "auras" but has to be activiated for that assassins strike they love so much.

But to each their own. Im sure some would agree with me on these points and Im sure some wont. Please lets hear some intelligent replies other than Flames? What do some of you do to get around these issues? Are there some of you who dont even take those powers just because they are such a hinderance and borderline gamebreaking?

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Saw this before I went to work and waited patiently all day until I got home, sure that I would be greeted with a lol-fest-o-flames.

Sheesh, even the pvp flames got nerfed.

*sigh*

Look, dude, you're a n00b. You can't chase a stalker and keep them unhid, even with the new travel suppression nerfs that were *designed with n00bs like you in mind*; you can't kill a stalker that stands there and trades blow for blow with you toe to toe (if I know guyver), even though he has a fraction of the HP you do; you have zero concept of perception and stealth-caps, both rather plebian, binary and basic mechanics, but would decry those that have put the 14 seconds worth of effort to learn and employ a modicum of planning to employ these basic fundamentals in order to either stay hidden or see those that are hidden.

In short, you're a whining, crying, frothing-at-the-mouth, window-licking, helmet-wearing paint-chip-eating short-bus n00b and have decided to mask your stupidity with rage.

Glad I could help.

If you should have any more questions in the future, please do feel free to send 'em my way.

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droning is fun.

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Or that you know that droning the person is gonna really irk them a whole lot more then simply pwning them. Some people deserve the irk more than others. Plus, who doesn't love people whining endlessly in broadcast about something that is infinitely avoidable? I know I do.

Best is catching an entire huddle with wormhole right smackdab in the middle of multiple drones. The tears, they doth quench.

Srsly, if yer gonna camp, relentlessly, expect that that will be fixed, one way or the other. Back up just a little bit. Or carry oranges if you're gonna be obnoxious about it. If you get in tp range of the drones, and then get droned, you sir, are an idiot. You are an even bigger idiot for whining about it.

'Nuff said.

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How about in RV when the last person takes over a Pill Box an option window opens and you get to choose what to turn on or off in the zone (DR, Heal Decay, TS, PvP resist, etc...). It will give the pillbox a better reason to be in the zone.

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How bout y'all just get the eff over it already and deal with what we have?

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2) Diminishing Returns affects +recharge. If you are going to test +recharge then you need to account for DR if you are in a PvP zone. Test using the O-portal if you want to investigate +rech without the hassle of DR.


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PvP zones use a different set of rules for powers than PvE zones. I didn't use Oro because I didn't want to compromise the test by using the powers in a way that was not consistant with the intended use.

I took a Sheild/SS Tank to test and stripped him down of all enhancements except for a lvl 33 Obliteration set slotted into Foot Stomp that he has at lvl 38. Obliteration give a 5% recharge bonus. Same test as before. I cast Sheild Charge and Active Defense multiple times and averaged the times both inside and outside Sirens Call. Both powers were unslotted.

Sheild CHarge:
90 sec base recharge.
85 sec in Steel Canyon with 5% recharge bonus
85 sec in Sirens Call with 5% recharge bonus


Active Defense:
3 min 20 sec base recharge
3 min 10 sec recharge in Steel with 5% bonus
3 min 10 recharge in Sirens with 5% bonus


It looks like Fallen hit it on the head with DR affecting my other tests on live.

I'm convinced. It would appear that sets do in fact give bonuses from powers that are not available provided the sets are of the appropriate level. This is rather enlightening. Also a bit disconcerting considering we were told by the devs that this was not how it was supposed to work. I guess it just demonstrates again that they have no clue how their game works.

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Good stuff, Ant. I'm actually quite happy to proved wrong and this is quite good news, but sad that I didn't know this before now. Thanks for testing!

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Anecdotal, sure, and I never saved any hard data,

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Please do some actual testing before posting.

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No u.

You've provided a link that simply doesn't apply to the topic we're now discussing and highlighted something that has no bearing.

No testing of the actual topic of yer own. This thread has called out a discrepancy about how its *supposed to work* and how it's *showing* and how it actually is.

Prove me wrong.

Gawd I'd feel really stupid if I were you. But I'm not you, and I'd imagine yer used to it, so . . .

When you read back and figure out that we aren't talking about exemplar values of enh, and are instead talking about set bonuses of powers that are not available once exemplared, please do feel free to weigh in with yer *thoughts*. But:

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Please do some actual reading before posting.

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LMAO

I also recall this issue (but would be a real pain for me to duplicate) with dual builds. At one time on test I had both a widow and solider fully outifitted with <40 sets even on all the 40+ powers on both alternate builds. I would exemp into Warburg and was still showing via real numbers, the set bonuses from both builds. But only a few minutes playing verified that those real numbers were incorrect, and that I was only getting the bonuses from a single build and the sets in powers under 38.

Anecdotal, sure, and I never saved any hard data, so I respect what Ant is trying to back up with clear data, and anxiously await his results, but if I was a betting man, I'd lay money that you are *NOT* getting bonuses from exemp'd out of powers.

If you can't use them in SC, you ain't getting them bonuses. No matter what level you're slotting in those 32+ powers.

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Gosh, and I had high hopes for you not being a moron.

Bummer.

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Coming from you, Bonker, it makes sense...pot meet kettle.

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Gladtameetcha!!

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well I definitely think that travel powers REALLY made this game nearly impossible to balance. If pvp was done form teh start and not as an after thought... it probably would be a hell of a lot better.

will champions online have pvp?

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Gosh, and I had high hopes for you not being a moron.

Bummer.

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Just dont roll a gimped toon.

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No such thing. (comparitively speaking).

Ant covered most of it.

Two points tho, procs are not the same as uniques. A unique like a Celerity:stealth, for instance, doesn't matter the lvl, as long as it's slotted into a pre-30 power. Since there is no difference in the benefit granted from this power that is dependent on lvl, grab the cheapest one you can find. Impatient people will pay a premium for lower level one's cuz they want it sooner, and don't wanna wait until the 40-50 range where you can buy these things for a song.

Also, there are *new* pvp-recipes that are gained via pvp-defeats. These work like purps, in that they will mal to any level, and they have 2 different kinds of set bonuses dependent on whether you are in a pvp or a pve zone. These are stil fetching premium prices on the ww/bm atm, but the bonuses all seem a lil more well-thought out than most of the purps, or other sets imho, and are very desireable. They pay attention to ED and don't waste enh values.

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I have to admit that the gankfest that is the PvP zones in this game is not something new. It's been around since PvP was first added.

While I appreciate the idea that PvP comes with it's own set of rules one has to admit that that those rules do little more than rationalize the chaos and anarchy of your average PvP zone.

The mantra of LRN2PVP doesn't apply when you enter a zone, locate a likely target, close for battle and get waylaid by 3 other folks before you throw the first punch. Or fight your opponent to within an inch of their life before getting skewered into oblivion by a passing stalker. Now I know, all's fair in blah, blah, blah and one can always avoid the PvP zones if they can't "handle it" but why should any zone be off limits to anyone simply because the majority of the population there chooses not to police their own behavior?

Outside of changes made or rolled back what the PvP zones need are PvP flags. One for open PvP, one for head to head PvP and one for no PvP. This way everyone can enjoy the PvP zones equally.

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There is one: Arena. Enter zone=get an effing team if you need one.

Honestly, I have zero problems finding duels if I want them in zone. I have zero problems finding kills in zone. Solo. That you can't do either of the above means you aren't trying. It means that you are whining instead of trying. You're here whining. You aren't learning anything by engaging in the activities you are engaging in. Except that you are doing it wrong.

Stop doing it wrong.

Seriously.

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You are ignoring this user.

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Please don't feed the trolls.

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a bunch of raged nerds on ac
i think raz put way too much effort into arguing...

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--^this + [censored] L33t Chat PVP lingo = lots of lol^---- sucks I missed it.

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Sometimes afk+chatlog=maxlulz

So about the whole *this might take an hour* thing . . .

lawl?

oh hai

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Level Pact+AE=impressive?

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Foolish human, don't struggle too much in hopes of unlocking our secrets. Your inferior human brain will become... confused.

Coagulator adjusted.
Primed.
Optimizing... Get wreK noub.

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Oops, I broke the code. Srry.

Oh look! Cows!

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I see you have already deluded yourself into believing that our impressive feat is the result of some "exploit" or "trick", such as a leveling pact. Our success comes down to one simple factor: we possess skills far superior to your own. It is not with condescending intent that I say this, but it is simply a fact that Jupiterians are far more capable beings than humans. Rather than waste your time looking for loopholes in our unflinching power, you should devote your attention to fighting crime and saving the world from evil.

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K.

Cool and all that. Gratz on RP. 'Cept this simple human figured out how to accomplish the same feat and provide the same proof offered as yer *Jupiterian* supermacy in less than 2 minutes.

Beat that?

Or you could prove me wrong, somehow.

No clue as to how you could, I can't possibly be as smart as you Jupertianeseians.

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You're right foolish human, you can indeed provide the same evidence if you level pacted a level one character, logged out, took an unfathomable amount of time to get that to 50 then logged back on to take the screen shot of the pseudo 1 hour. However, the Virtuous Vanguard employs no such human trickery. Fact is the Virtuous Vanguard is the number 1 PvP, PvE and RP SG in the universe. We use raw power and supreme intellect to rid the evil and corruption that plagues weaker societies such as the one in which you live. Do not mock the power of the Virtuous Vanguard. Do not think I cannot sense the sarcasm in your post, fool. We could have used warp speed to get 1-50 in a mere .0001 nano seconds but clearly by using regular human methods we have already warped your pitiful mind into thinking under false pretenses.

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Hmm. I'm as willing to acquiesce to a superior intellect as the next carbon-based life form, but it seems to me that your provided *proof* isn't nearly sufficient to support your claim.

Surely someone as intelligent as you Jupertians knows how to show server time upon creation and completion. Surely there can be incontrovertible proof of yer claim beyond simply saying what you've already provided is good enough, when it's been pointed out that it simply isn't, based on methods that could provide the same *proof* via *trickery* and *exploits*.

Surely there is some way.

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Level Pact+AE=impressive?

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Foolish human, don't struggle too much in hopes of unlocking our secrets. Your inferior human brain will become... confused.

Coagulator adjusted.
Primed.
Optimizing... Get wreK noub.

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Oops, I broke the code. Srry.

Oh look! Cows!

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I see you have already deluded yourself into believing that our impressive feat is the result of some "exploit" or "trick", such as a leveling pact. Our success comes down to one simple factor: we possess skills far superior to your own. It is not with condescending intent that I say this, but it is simply a fact that Jupiterians are far more capable beings than humans. Rather than waste your time looking for loopholes in our unflinching power, you should devote your attention to fighting crime and saving the world from evil.

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K.

Cool and all that. Gratz on RP. 'Cept this simple human figured out how to accomplish the same feat and provide the same proof offered as yer *Jupiterian* err VV supermacy in less than 2 minutes.

Beat that?

Or you could prove me wrong, somehow.

No clue as to how you could, I can't possibly be as smart as you Jupertianeseians.

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Level Pact+AE=impressive?

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Foolish human, don't struggle too much in hopes of unlocking our secrets. Your inferior human brain will become... confused.

Coagulator adjusted.
Primed.
Optimizing... Get wreK noub.

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Oops, I broke the code. Srry.

Oh look! Cows!

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heyyyyy......you tried to KS me!

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omg, fite klub!

I challenge. Super sekrit build. Test arena pls. You have to kill me tho. 0-0=i win, k?

KS'ing [censored]!

My favorite night ever in SC was tonight.

"stalkers is OP'd" etc, boring [censored] most of the night.

Flying Ice/Rad Troller [name withheld] talked a major amount of the not worth repeating, everyone's said it before type [censored], plus the newly classic, *I can see stalkers a mile away*.

Challenged 1v1 *i don't arena*.

*send tell fer super sekrit location HDS that no one will ever suspect*

I stand there, they hover. They say *ready*. I say *Let's BONK!!*

Precious minutes ensue. *you gonna attack?* *are you?* *I can't see you* *okay, one sec*

EnD shows up, couple of dark attacks later, they're debuff'd and just shy of 100% HP, omg nrg grabbing tp AS!

<---winnar

Then it got interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTDH4

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Looking for new fotms and farm farm farm till next nerf?

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We get what yer doing, bro (oh hai! srry should i call you sis?) but have you any interest in the health of the pvp game from here forward?

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I think fixing some current bugs would help =.=

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Which *bugs* in regard to pvp do you think would be best solved *right now*, to improve the health of the pvp part of the game?

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I asked Castle if it was possible to separate heal decay option and DR option on arena but he said: it is hard, no

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Bummer. So, heal decay reversion is out, unless we can come up with a better way of suggesting a change, or prioritizing its importance to the health of current PvP directly to castle than your PM.

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With this attitude i doubt many things gonna change sry..:x

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Oh, so you tried, via some PM, and therefore all hope is lost.

Gotcha.

Thnx fer yer input.

Level Pact+AE=impressive?