Blue_Centurion

If you are referring to his post #29 in this thread he states it is 117.5% recharge, including hasten. Or (he was not clear, stating it is the same as mine) it is 117.5% + hasten.

If Hasten is the deciding factor, I am adding it in a few days. Thanks.

An interesting opinion. Do you have any idea how often Dull pain will be up with 125% global recharge and hasten on a build?

Would it make any difference to you if I told you I already tanked BAB in the LRSF with this build?

Difference noted. 35 points extra damage, or roughly 29%. thanks. Plus the toxic resistance.

It serves 2 functions. It heals, and it raises my hit point max. It is stackable, (only to like +30%, but still) And you get this huge influx of green every minute and a half by your calculations. Now, I also chose Dark when I set about creating this monster. One of the reasons was Siphon Life. Siphon Life, when spammed, will try to keep me at my new Health Max. When i rebuild in 2 weeks, adding another 7.5% recharge and Hasten, Dull Pain might be closer to 1 minute to back up again (we can dream).

Did you have a better heal in mind amongst the Brute secondaries, cause I looked real hard for something to tank BAB with, and this was the best i came up with.

In your above post you said to use a non-purple damage Proc, instead of the purple +dam%, what I/O specifically are you referring to?

So....according to what you are saying, Dull pain is bad because it is not up often enough. But my plan to bring it up more often is bad because it costs too much.

Dull Pain is up quite often for me, sometimes I hit it multiple times in AV fights. I supplement that with steady applications of Siphon life. Is Dull Pain up every 20 seconds. Nope. You got me there. But with 117.5% global recharge in my current poor form it is up pretty regular. When i get my new build in 2 weeks it will be up more often, due to my 125% global Recharge, plus Hasten that i plan to add. Still not "everytime i need it" true, i cannot Spam Dull Pain. Still, I think it's a good power, and i am gonna hold onto it.

Also, the build you pointed to has Hasten, my build does not. When I add hasten after i19 it would be a much more fair comparison.

Also, i have never ever, said that someone else's build would not work. I have simply stated what i am doing, and why i am doing it. also, I try not to skim posts, but generally read for comprehension.

I understand it will not be "optimal" I gave up that point in the OP. Does anyone know how far (approximately?) I am off optimal? I mean seriously, this is not Knockout Blow i am throwing out here.

One application of Dull Pain will not bring a brute to the Hit Point Cap. And having a 50% heal available quite often is never a bad thing. Or, at least I cannot think how it hurts.

Dull Pain is both Perma, and stacks, and is a huge heal available very very regularly. It has kept me alive with BABs pounding me. Siphon Life does not miss, or I cannot remember the last time it did. There are tons of accuracy bonuses hidden in my set bonuses.

Ah, we are coming at this from different angles as usual. Probably my fault for not being clear. I will not now, nor ever, be slotting siphon life for damage. Not on this character. It will have Panacea being dropped into it in a couple weeks. (set of 5) It is my panic button. My strategy with this power has always been extremely straightforward. Slot to maximize healing. When my character starts to take damage I hit this power once. When my character start to take a ton of damage I hit Dull Pain, and start spamming Siphon life. There is a ton of global recharge on this guy. 117.5% right now. Should be 125% + Hasten in 2 weeks. So when i say spamming, I am not kidding. This will keep me up, unless getting pounded by BABs and POSI and Friends.

Tons of recharge, right. So, Instead of using Siphon Life as an attack, I use my 5 Purpled Attack powers. Gloom and Dark Obliteration, for range and theme. Midnight Grasp, for fun and profit. And Shadow Maul and Smite depending on single or multiple targets. These attacks are all 6 slotted purpled, all fun, and almost always up. They make an okay attack chain, and feel lethal, or so I think.

Siphon Life is a big part of many of the Dark Melee attack chains, I know. But seriously, it is not Knockout Blow. I have played it a number of times from 1-50. It is a good attack, yes. I tend to stay off it at low levels unless I have a ton of blues on hand though. At this point, I prefer to just save it for the use that I have delegated it to.

My question is whether a suitable attack chain can be made from the few ragged powers I have left, and if made, how they compare with the classic Dark Melee attack chain.

My SL is not slotted as an attack though. It is slotted as a heal, so when I do neeed it as a heal it actually keeps me alive. And gives me a recharge bonus. Again, i know this is not primarily optimal, i went at it sideways. The theory being, again, when I need it as a heal it works great. Also, because of the way my build works, when I need it as a heal (and it is slotted as one) the high recharge on the build brings this sucker back up fast. Between that and Dull pain being Perma the only thing that can really put me down fast is the mob from the LRSF when not pulled properly. Most other things I can stand and fight, (or at least stand and heal lol)

Funny, cause it works like a charm there.

You left out activation times and end costs. These things matter. Smite does not do as much damage as Siphon life out of the box though, you are correct.

I run the LRSF every time I find a team of good players, or even a motivated PUG team. I will run just about any SF just about anytime, no matter what in fact. If a team is running +2/X8, sure, i'll give it a tray.

For soloing I tend to run +0/x1 (remember I said i tend to dislike farming) and am running these things for merits/badges/tips/etc. But the buildout is just my main. If you do not feel I am running it the right way. Well, I believe you feel that way.

If you ain't injured the heal will not help. Seriously. It just will not, and the extra end/time invested gets you squat. So i lean on Smite and Gloom. If I see my Green take a little dip, sure, I hit Siphon Life. otherwise, not so much.