Bionut911

This my friend has a simple explanation, most powers that Kheld's "don't have enough room for" are copies of form abilities. (Blast/Bolt, Scatter, Detonation, smite, flare, mire, drain, sublimation) So in place of taking these Some Khelds take LoTG caddys and slot for perma LF or take toggles that turn off when you form shift :P

The reasoning for this is that some Khelds (like me) don't necessarily want to use Global recharge to make my toon more of a "benefit" to the team.

1. Now that I know exactly what Mind link does, that would be really beneficial, and it would help the team as well It's got my vote! (not that it counts really )

2. DD

3. I completely agree, I'm going to be working that into a concept PB, that has a tiger as a "Ghetto" form. With costume and tray change binds to fit!

4. Anytime ^_^

5. (I can't believe that didn't even occur to me >.> )


On those terms, I'd surely drop the endurance recovery and mez protection in LF. Hell, with masterys like these I'd drop LF all together and make a stronger PB.

I didn't know tar patch had a -resist D: (considers a dark defender**)

For PBs something similar to consume might be nice too...considering that it provides insane -end protection. (I've been hit by a sapper with consume active and he did nothing > )

It worked!!!

On Sep's comment of link minds, I'd either make it carry over into forms OR Swap it for Physical perfection. My PB could really use some endurance recovery. On that note...I did discover conductive aura on the Dom Control set...but that's pushing the envelope a bit. E;ectric cages are great for that pesky KB though...then sep would stop complaining about us greifing him with it.

Although my heart longs for another form *Cough*tiger*Cough*, This suggestion is more useful and well thought out.

Awesome Job Abe!

I'm disagreeing a bit with instant form shifts. Simply because the concept is shaky for that. A person's body cant instantaneously change shape. :P

I'm really liking the storm kick idea for dwarf though. It would encourage people to stay in dwarf for that handy defense buff.

Melt armor might be equally as overpowering, instead of increasing powers effects it would increase their damage. and with perma hasten it would be up ALOT.

Something that benefits the team would be nice...

On terms of helping the team some more...a PBAoE team +dmg/tohit clicky would be handy. Since Kheldians are supposed to be a team player and all >.>

That's a good point. I did a little test run on mids, and for the equivalent of six slotting it, I get the same values of pulsar (completely unslotted -_- )

Very much so! This is a hilarious and unique concept. I love it

Edit: I just thought of a power combination that flustered me for awhile. A Fire/Ice Blaster. With Rain of Fire, and FireBall those AoE sleep powers become useless. I ended up skipping them JUST because of how bad I knew they would insult eachother. (see what i did there?? )

Not if you're using dwarf to teleport into a mob, and taunting to get them nice and close.

It could be something like a "form mastery" power. You could add something like chain induction, or a target'd AoE to nova form and something in the likes of Spring Attack into dwarf.

I agree that there needs to be some fix towards the synergy of the powers...but reducing investment isn't the way to go in my opinion.

I have plenty of uses for dwarf after 40, and so do many other players. You really need to take that into consideration, and also that not everyone plays Kheldians like a "toolbox." Some people actually do play them one form at a time..

If someone uses nova to blast, and never leaves the form until the team needs a tank...then it's completely logical to 6 slot all of nova's blast powers, and not slot the human form versions.

I would agree with a proposition for something like 1 extra inherent slot for form powers that can't be slotted, but comes with the power. Because it doesn't mess with the many different playstyles that Kheldians bring to the table.

Edit: Also, on terms of your Attack chain point. I have no clue how to make a good attack chain, or even figure out what a "good" attack chain even is! But, In the end-game I still feel that my PB is powerful, useful, and fun to play..even with forms.

That's what I was getting at

Basically, That's exactly what I saw the change as. It was a balancing "band-aid" so to speak to patch up Kheldians in preparation for a better fix

You're forgetting one thing here about Kheldians. They are MADE to shapeshift, so it makes sense for some players to pick and choose how they slot their abilities.

I personally couldn't see my Kheldians without their forms (I used to think otherwise, but I just miss them to much.) In your situation, it would make the AT somewhat overpowered. If i could put two damage, two acc, and two recharge into nova form. I would have powers equivalent to being six slotted (24 slots) in exchange for only using 6. Those extra 18 slots can be used to six slot 3 more powers. In short, I'm getting 7 six slotted powers (42 slots) at the price of only 24 slots....and that's only accounting for nova form...

If you don't want to waste slots on your form abilities, then Go human form

It's a catch 22. If you buff your human form powers, you miss out on forms. If you buff your form abilities, you don't get many slots for your human form abilities. This system works because it's flexible to the user's playstyle.

And, you said dwarf wasn't useful past 40? Lies! Ever used a double flare or mire bind?

I'm agreeing with you on this one THB. I've heard alot about this buff making light form a power that can be made perma...

I've often heard that the devs say the game is balanced around SOs...so if this buff was intended to make LF perma (which is only available through the IO system) then I doubt it will be a long lived buff or even considered a "fix" to Kheldians if it does stick around.

If you're the kind of smashing/tanking type. You should check out my Idea that I'm in the process of refining. See what it could add?

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=280643

Sorry about that, I mis-read that. With that in mind, I don't see anything wrong with a break-free power being available in the Essence Mastery Idea. Again, I apologize. >.<

I originally planned to work out two options for a Kheldian Epic Pool, but as I've said before I hit a "writers block" and posted the idea that I was on a roll with (I edited in a section of the OP specifically geared towards the exact pool you're mentioning.) I never stated that Kheldian's would only unlock ONE epic pool, that would be downright unfair...considering VEATs have access to multiple Lore based pools as well.

With that being said, couldn't you say that the recent changes to light form and photon seekers makes Bright Nova and Dwarf look weaker?

Although your idea IS running along a common thread, some players don't know enough about Kheldians to play them like a tool-box.

I remember back when I played my Kheld before I took a vacation from the game. The way I played him was exactly like this:

• If the team needed a blaster, I lived in Nova form. Never left it
• If the team needed a tank, I never left dwarf form.

Now with that in mind, it wouldn't exactly be fair to players who live in one form at a time, to provide powers that are based around the play style of "All forms at once." For example, If i lived in nova form then I wouldn't need a power that reduces my shift animation time...because I never leave that form to begin with. So giving me a new form to choose from would be beneficial to me. Just like providing a Break-Free power, and shorter shift times would be beneficial for you.

(note: I do agree with your ideas & I think they're fantastic, I'm just pointing out that using ONLY that option for an epic pool wouldn't be fair to people who don't exactly utilize the entire tool-box they've been given)

The point of having two pools, an Essence mastery and an Adept Pool/Power (new form) is that it allows players of multiple playstyles to gain a benefit from choosing a Kheldian Epic pool.

For example, if you wanted to improve the effectiveness of the toolbox playstyle you could pick essence mastery. But if you were happy with the way the forms are or you play the game one form at a time then the Adept Pool would be a better option for you. Ya know?

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The most unique thing about Kheldian's is their ability to shapeshift, no other AT in the game has anything like this at all. That's what the Adept Pool highlights. Along with this, your suggestion for an epic pool would high-light the toolbox nature.

If a player is happy with using dwarf as a break-free, and happy with their current combat stats, it wouldn't be fair to only make ONE Mastery pool that provided things that this hypothetical player doesn't see a need for. That's why I'm suggesting we make two options available, this way both play styles are catered to.