Bill Z Bubba

Awesome.

I laughed. That's a great face.

Gratz on that commission. I dig it heartily.

10 attack types. No toxic_attack.

What? They can't get the spreadsheets to go to 11?

Yum.

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2 - the Community will make their own guides anyways. The only advantage a Dev guide would have would be from giving us base numbers.

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Only been waiting 3 years for those...

Ya know, now would be as good a time as any to dump those on us. You want some accurate guides for the playerbase?

Give us the necessary tools to write those guides.

Give us... THE SPREADSHEETS OF DOOOOOOOOOM

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Nerfing the powers would be an injustice to the time I spend on a daily basis prepping for my RSFs.

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Creating an event that puts players in the mindset that they NEED to spend time daily farming temp power loot is an injustice to all of us that find any kind of farming abhorrent.

It's not needed for the LRSF. It's not needed anywhere. It's broken. The only need is the need to have it fixed.

I got a PM last night from the point man for a group that is going to make an LRSF attempt with no shivans, no nukes, no stacked vengeance, no granite brutes and no rads.

I wish them the best of luck and hope that they succeed. I did state in reply that if it takes longer than four hours, I'll still consider the LRSF a broken design. Much in the same way I consider the new Hamidon broken.

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I do have one solid critique about this guide, and that is that it does nothing to tell you how to configure City of Heroes, itself.

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That's why I have an ATI Settings Guide and a Rigs and Settings link in my sig. Nvidia users can seek out the poster jg0001.

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I'm calling for your brakes to quit on a curvy road

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Classy calling for the actual death of another human over a temp power in a GAME.

Your mother must be so proud.

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Bill... you know Babbage isn't an AV, right?

I said AVs. Not GMs. AVs and GMs are not the same.

The LRSF has AVs in the end. Not GMs.

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They're both meatbags with massive hitpoints and regen.

But I'm done. Kitsune9tails said what I meant better than I did.

In other words, I shouldn't be asking the devs to nerf shivans, bombs and whatever else, I should be asking the playerbase to quit being so lazy.

You know the moment I knew things had gotten out of hand? When I was on my brute in RV, in control of a pillbox, and looked up to see that not only were there 4 heroes about to tear me a new one, but they felt it necessary to bring shivans and drop a bomb on me.

On a brute. A creature that can be brought low in seconds with some slows and -recharge. I laughed at the time, but I'm not laughing now. I find the whole situation sad.

I apologize for my nerfherding today.

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Because he flat out said that gimiicks weren't the way.

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You have no proof that he thinks shivans and bombs are gimmicks.

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I'll supply that, then. Shivan's and Bombs can make it easier, but the new Hami encounter is designed to be beaten without them.

Comment on the thread in general:
Watch the language and the personal attack folks.

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I stand corrected. Shivans and bombs are gimmicks.

And should be dealt with as such.

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This means certain builds are likely to do better, because they are more efficient at what the LRSF requires. but they were not specifically selected by the devs as such.

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Arcana, I agree with your assessment of how the LRSF was designed. Impossible until it was beaten with no regard for anything. I'll buy that.

And what's the end outcome? A screwball affair that lends itself to the use of shivans, nukes and ideal team makeups, screwing everyone that doesn't want to be involved in that kind of boring grind.

VTron21,

In a perfect game I wouldn't be against it. But that's not here. Here it breeds a mentality. A mentality that if you don't come with X, you're not welcome.

Not a granite brute? No thanks. Not a rad? You're out. Stalkers and Doms? Sorry, our PITY SPOTS (think about that VERY carefully) are full. What? You don't have shivans? Damnit, everybody head to BB.

Is EVERYONE out there like this? Nope. But when you listen to broadcast, that's what you hear.

So your new players that need those temp powers are the same ones being pushed OUT of content because of those temp powers.

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Dude, come on. The rad nerf only significantly affects -regen. REGEN DEBUFFS ARE NOT NECCESSARY AT ALL TO DEFEAT THESE AVS. I'm sorry for shouting that, but I am sick of people propagating that myth. When you have a team of six to eight you simply don't need it, period. -DR is vastly more effective, and Rad, while a well-known provider of that, is far from the only one.

Let me repeat this again: you do not need -regen for the RSF/STF.

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6 to 8 what? And what, pray tell, was your opinion of the reasoning behind rad's nerf?

You say shivans and bombs are necessary. Nothing's ACTUALLY necessary (unless the design is poor) yet why the mass belief?

I'll tell you why. When you have 8 folks slamming on Babbage in Skyway getting nowhere and a single /rad shows up and Babbage goes down in 5 minutes, you quickly learn that rad is "needed" for all AV encounters. It's not a myth. Yes, AVs go down all the time without a rad around, yet rad was nerfed because when one Was around, AVs went down in vastly shorter periods of time.

Don't have a rad? Stock up on shivans. Don't have shivans? Use the bombs! Don't have any of that? No worries, we have a granite tank being buffed to the gills by these two kins.

If you don't need shivans and warburg bombs, then you don't need them and you should be backing the call to have them removed.


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Because he flat out said that gimiicks weren't the way.

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You have no proof that he thinks shivans and bombs are gimmicks.

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If you've got some heavy -recharge on you, and the only thing you've got left is sands of mu, and that helps you survive, should that be nerfed? what about the nem staff, baseball bats, flamethrowers, or any other temp power that anyone has earned in the game?

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Go back and read the part where I said farmable. I'll add to that. The Vet Powers are balanced around permanent use. The shivans and bombs weren't BUT ARE BEING USED AS SUCH.

See the difference?

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So then would you suggest to make them all one-time use? What would that do to the people who are in a TF and are having a really difficult time with some AV? (take Lanaru, for instance) With shivys and nukes, that team that spent X number of hours (5-7 or more, depending on how well they did) would be able to actually finish the thing, instead of spending half the day and end up frustrated?

Or, what about the people who enjoy to solo and who come across an evil EB? with shivs and nukes, those people can overcome the EB and continue on their merry way?

so, my question is, are you calling for complete removal, or one-time use?

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Lanaruu was able to be defeated before shivans and nukes. We also have base teleporters and inspirations storage.

Soloing and EBs? Again, that's what Insps are for.

I am calling for the complete removal of shivans and warburg bombs. And Only shivans are warburg bombs. If not that, then nerf them to values equal to their now perma-use status.

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If you've got some heavy -recharge on you, and the only thing you've got left is sands of mu, and that helps you survive, should that be nerfed? what about the nem staff, baseball bats, flamethrowers, or any other temp power that anyone has earned in the game?

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Go back and read the part where I said farmable. I'll add to that. The Vet Powers are balanced around permanent use. The shivans and bombs weren't BUT ARE BEING USED AS SUCH.

See the difference?

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Get rid of the "I Win" buttons of Shivans and Warburg bombs and then you don't have to design missions with their use in mind.

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And the notion that they designed the RSF with either or both in mind is an assumption. Perhaps an obvious one, but one we've never seen validated.

And the fact that people do complete it without them reinforce the notion that they might not have considered them a critical component.

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Considering that Shivans and Warburg bombs were in place prior to the LRSF, it would have been a gross oversight on their part NOT to have considered them.

Again, the only people completing it without them are using the same stock team makeup that has led to the recent nerfing of Rad. It won't be too long before granite falls in the same hole.

Then what are we left with? The "necessity" of shivans and bombs. Which is as disgusting as the "necessity" of stoners and kins.

We keep hearing about BaB's statements that we aren't doing the new Hami raid as they designed.

I find it funny that ample use of bombs and shivans haven't been tried out.

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It's a philosophy thing. I disagree completely with the overuse of farmable temp powers, god-mode powers and ESPECIALLY the balance of a powerset based on the tier9s.

From that same philosophy comes my disgust at the entire concept of you "need" X to accomplish Y.

A group of Smart players with the "worst" powersets from each AT should be able to complete the LRSF. If they can't do it without the use of shivans, nukes, rads, kins and a stone tank, then the entire event's design is broken.

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Fixing the LRSF does not neccessarily equal making it so a Shivan isn't desirable.

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And getting rid of idiotic, overpowered temp powers makes it easier to DESIGN missions so that PUGs with strange team makeups can still accomplish them.

Get rid of the "I Win" buttons of Shivans and Warburg bombs and then you don't have to design missions with their use in mind.

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This is all in prep for reworking the LRSF so that it becomes more in line with the difficulty of the STF, right?

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Seeing as how it's pretty common to defeat the LRSF without either Shivans or stacked Vengeance, I'm not sure I see the relevance.

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Common occurence for who, UG? Large SGs using multiple kins, rads and stoners?

Nothing has changed with the LRSF. You either have the stock group makeup, or the demands are made that everyone gets shivans and nukes.

I saw a call over PinnBadges the other night for getting shivans because some foursome wasn't managing a basic TF.

If the populace has sunk so low that Shivans are being used in the most mundane of situations, then Shivans need to go.

At the very least block their use outside of PvP zones.

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Now get to nerfing Shivans.

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if you don't like them, you don't have to use them; but you leave my shivys alone.

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"If you don't like using perma-elude and perma-unstoppable, you don't have to use them; but you leave my god-mode powers alone."

Broken garbage is broken garbage. Shivans are broken garbage. Crutches being used over and over by the masses attempting to accomplish broken design.

Fix the design, fix the broken powers. Fix the game.

Glad to hear it, Castle.

Now get to nerfing Shivans.

This is all in prep for reworking the LRSF so that it becomes more in line with the difficulty of the STF, right?

I love him. I love stuff like that. I love things with large teeth.

Wow.