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  1. Quote:
    Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect View Post
    *shrug*

    When I have a bad customer experience, I take my business elsewhere.

    As far as I can tell, the PvPers in CoH are gluttons for punishment. Any other group of people in this game, upon having the part of it they enjoy the most gutted, would have moved on to a game that gives them the experience they want. But PvPers here hang on in the (probably vain) hope that, someday, the devs might make it all better.
    I still enjoy pvp, although it's not as good as it used to be and much more demanding now to be competitive. Also I have a lot of friends here and I make enough money off of art commissions to pay the fee. So when something better comes along we'll all jump ship and, if not, it's not a big deal to stay.

    From my perspective dedicated pvers are the gluttons for punishment--consuming the same mindless grind repackaged over and over. Endless variations of the same thing repurposed and presented as new content.

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    They will probably look at PvP again, and make changes. But, if the past is any indication, what they end up doing isn't going to be what PvPers want.
    What pvpers in general want is decent competition and to have more people involved. The way I think they should go about it is a goal-oriented pvp variation like capture the flag, where success hinges on completion of the objective rather than simply farming other players. If done reasonably well this would serve as a bridge between pve and pvp and ease the learning curve. Personally I prefer to kill other players, but this is an example of something they should do that would bring more people in.

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    So I guess since I'm not "invested" in PvP or "dedicated" to it, I'm not allowed to say anything about it?
    Well, you entered a discussion in somebody's troll thread and said the presence of pvpers was insignificant to the health of the game. What did you expect?

    As for the whole red-headed stepchild huddling thing and making our case to the rest of the community--the most common trope you encounter in these discussions is that pvpers have a bad attitude, are jerks, trolls, meanies, blah blah blah and so they turn people off to pvp and slow the pace of development.

    Pure garbage. From the get go, there has been a strong anti-pvp sentiment in cox community. A lot of those players don't want ANY resources spent on pvp so the engage in moralizing about behavior in pvp areas as a way to shift attention away from design issues. I'm a player. I'm not here to make a case for anything to you. I've actually spent considerable time reaching out to non pvpers on my server, holding training sessions, etc. and it accomplished nothing. The problems with pvp are game design issues, not something to be hashed out between forum posters.
  2. Quote:
    Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect View Post
    I don't envy the devs on this one. Their work is cut out for them and anything they do will be met with scorn and anger. Especially if it doesn't fix things to peoples' satisfaction.
    This is one of the worst customer experiences I've had with any company, probably only exceeded by Comcast. Dedicated pvpers stuck with this game despite the slow pace of development and ridiculous long-standing bugs. They gave a lot of time keeping pvp activity alive and provided volumes of feedback on how things could be improved. In the end, the devs rejected all that feedback to cater to....some hypothetical non-pvper that never actually showed up.

    If the scorn and anger doesn't seem fair, take a moment and imagine if the current pvp rules were extended to the entire game.
  3. I think you basically supported my point that the match was decided by the builds. Also maybe you're misremembering the end. Initially they agreed on no pets. Towards the end the inv tank summoned his and then shark wrangler did the same. They were the same pets and shark wrangler's build was obviously better equipped to deal with them as neither person left the cage.
  4. I watched Shark Wrangler fight Soul Taker earlier. You had two very expensive tank builds standing toe to toe going jab-jab-jab-jab-jab over and over with an occassional knockout blow and quicksand applications. Once in a while there's be a fossilize.

    They were obviously great builds in terms of surviving and doing damage in a stationary manner. But I think the whole fiteclub scenario is ultimately antithetical to actually being skillful (at least as skillful as the game permits). It's rock paper scissors and the skill is coming up with the best rock. Once you get in the cage, you just tap away and try not to forget to push the right button at the right time. More like pvp NASCAR than a real fight.

    I think if everyone had the same shark wrangler build, and played the same kind of cage match, it would be difficult to impossible to make any evaluation of player skill. People that were clearly incompetent would lose, but beyond that there'd be no differentiation between average and good.

    I don't think fiteklubbing is that much worse than ranged duels..build still is a deciding factor although movement skill is very significant. To each his own, but I think the fact that Shark Wrangler has to offer pvp ios just to get a match is indicative that your build has solved the equation for fiteklub success so..why bother?
  5. No you watch your mouth! Lol I wasn't talking about Xan.
  6. 10.

    "So you've decided to use your abilities to help out." The longbow liason wrinkled her nose slightly as she flipped through Tate's registration materials. He laughed and shrugged, throwing up his hands.

    "Well, I was fired from my job. They didn't seem to think that someone with this sort of appearance would go over well in sales. I don't see that there is much else to do under the circumstances."

    She looked him up and down, shifting slightly in her chair. She had a clinical air about her, as if she were evaluating an antique. Or a side of beef at the butcher's. He would have been a bit more self conscious if the room wasn't occupied by a dozen other freaks. People in spandex outfits, glowing, floating, sharing their heroic deeds with one another.

    "It's tough work, you know. There's a lot of responsibility. There's a lot at stake."
    "Yeah. Sure. I get that.."
    "Well, you just seem sort of ambivalent. It's a hard life if you don't have a real..."

    Tate smiled. He'd seen that look before. She was trying to find the right words to express her doubts about his motivations without offending him.

    "Without a clear moral compass? Without the drive to do good spurring me on in heroic ways?"
    "Yes. I guess you could put it that way." She leaned forward slightly, tapping the tip of her pen lightly against the desk. He found himselt staring at the stiff, unwrinkled surface of her grey business suit.
    "I don't know what to tell you. I'm just a normal guy that got changed into..this."

    Tate shrugged and slid his hands into the folds of his altered body that simulated pockets. Was he really getting turned down to be a superhero as well. The woman's lack of confidence in his motives echoed the estrangement he felt with the world. He didn't feel like himself. It was almost like being a ghost or something. His spirits sank as he imagined being turned away. What was left? A lab rat somewhere? Then it started. Low. Barely audible at first.

    Giggling.

    The woman was trembling. Hand over her mouth. Laughing at him. And changing. Her eyes were filling with some sort of fluid becoming lightless orbs in her face. Her skin paled, the mousey brown locks on her head lengthened and darkened. Tate found himself recoiling from the desk in shock and for a moment he pictured this woman turning into another vampire like Mary. She laughed and waved her hand.

    "I'm sorry, hahaha. Sometimes I just get overcome by the hypocricy of my acting and lose it. Didn't mean to freak you out." She leveled her gaze at him for a moment. "Don't be troubled by all that moral compass nonsense darling, I was just kidding."
    "Who are you?! What's going on?"
    "I'm an assassin. I killed the recruiter this morning and assumed her identity. I was to take her place and.." The woman reached under the desk and pulled out a large wicked looking blade that shimmered with pale green light. "I was going to shove this into the guts of my sixth appointment."

    Tate touched his chest. "And I'm the sixth?" She nodded.
    "Yes. But you see you weren't supposed to be the sixth." She pointed to a young man with golden skin that was using a drinking fountain on the other side of the room. He was dressed like a typical college student....jeans, tshirt, backpack, sneakers...just with golden skin. "He was supposed to be the sixth. But you showed up instead. This was not in the plan."

    "Plan? Well are you going to try to kill him."
    "No."
    "Why not?"
    "Because he's no longer the sixth."
    "Well what does that matter? He's right over there. Not that I want you to kill him but what's the difference?"
    "It makes all the difference. I needed to kill him when he was the sixth appointment. Killing him now would be meaningless in terms of the big picture."
    "What big picture? WHAT BIG PICTURE?!?!"

    Tate's yelling drew all attention towards the desk. He waved sheepishly. "Sorry peeps, um...just got a little carried away."
  7. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Xanatos View Post
    Who care about other games.
    Somebody that apparently wants the people playing this game to know what a superior gamer he is, although demonstrating it here is beneath him.
  8. Quote:
    Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan View Post
    San, you run that KM/Elec Scrapper right?

    I'm too busy RPing in Pocket D on Virtue lately since my toon slots on Freedom are full at the moment. But I've seen and talked to 4s Katana Stalker in SC in the past...kind of hard to miss him since he's the only Katana Stalker I've ever seen. He was always redside prior to GR so if you were red as well...probably just never noticed him.
    Yeah that's me, although with arena picking up lately I stripped San and put the IOs in my blaster. I might've noticed that stalker at some point but I don't pay too much attention to stalker builds unless its someone I fight frequently, which is why I asked him the name.
  9. Quote:
    Wander into SC sometime, and when he shoves a Katana up your keester,
    you'll be able to read the chat log to see the name...
    I play pretty much exclusively redside. I do pop into SC occasionally and I don't remember any real standout katana stalkers playing there (katana?). The fact that you won't even name the toon does nothing to raise my expectations either lol.

    Quote:
    ...and your numbers are... where???
    ...and your PvP player counts are... where???

    Obvious troll is obvious...
    You made the claim, but your most recent numbers are two years old and deemed questionable by the very article you cited. It's not trolling to call you on it.
  10. Quote:
    Originally Posted by FourSpeed View Post
    If you ran a hero in SC on Freedom prior to the past few months (where I've
    quite frankly had more interesting things to do), then there's a fairly good chance
    that my Scottish themed Stalker crammed a Katana up your Keester ... probably
    several times...
    What was the name of the stalker?

    Quote:
    Sure.
    As of 2008 - here
    As of 2009 - here

    In fact, it appears from those links that my estimate is actually 20% *LOW* at 100K.

    Oh, and before your predictable (but worthless) point of "those numbers are old",
    might I remind you that PvP 2.0 occurred in I-13 (Dec. 2008) - right in-between
    *those* numbers...
    I only read the 2009 link but it explains the number given is very likely inflated. And that was 2 years ago, so I'm at a loss for how you're claiming that cox has maintained a base of around 100k subscribers for 7 years.

    I was honestly just curious about the estimate. I'm not relating it to any doom claim.
  11. Quote:
    I pvp regularly on Freedom
    What are some of your pvp characters?

    Also, you're saying the population has stayed basically the same over the course of seven years--do you have a source for your numbers?
  12. Quote:
    #5 get rid of total focus, you are a blaster not a melee'r, all TF is, is a call to any stalker around to AS you.
    I have TF five slotted with hecatombs and by god it's worth it just for the hilarity/nostalgia value of killing someone with it. Besides, how many stalkers are still running around that can competently AS? Don't be hata!
  13. 9.

    "You're not going to keep that thing?" Cheryl's face crinkled with disdain as Alan slid the cloth doll into the inside jacket of his coat.

    "Um..yeah. I think so. Why not?"
    "Because it belonged to that devil."
    "Devil? She said she couldn't help it..."
    "Lies I'm sure. You saw what she did."
    "Yes."
    "She was evil, clearly sent here by the devil to cause suffering."
    "Oh...well what if I told you that her being here, doing those things she did, saved the human race. What if I told you that her killing those people actually saved billions of lives."
    "I don't believe it."
    "Well if you did, would you hold the devil responsible for saving all those lives."
    "No. Evil can't do good. Not intentionally. Maybe there was an accident..."
    "I see."
    "I don't get how you can have any sympathy for that thing."
    "Because I'm a thing too. I'm as inhuman as she was. And I didn't have any say in becoming what I am either."
    "But you helped us. You're doing good. You've chosen to be good."
    "Have I? How do I know I'm the one making the choices?" He shrugged and turned towards the street.

    "Tell them I'm sorry about the dirt. I have to get going."

    -----

    Tate retrieved the scout. Deactivated, it took the form of a small cube which he fed through a portal into the alien dimension. The simulacra of his friend Jake greeted him from the other side.

    "Well done Alan Tate. We doubted your success on this mission but you returned our scout unscathed. How did you defeat the woman creature?"
    "I didn't. I merely distracted her long enough to take the scout."
    "Ah. Well, we have directed our attention elsewhere. Now that our scout is returned we will commence. Farewell human."
    "Wait--are you leaving me like this?"

    The alien's expression went blank, as if it had not considered the issue of the extradimensional body they had created to send him back.

    "Hmmm...it would probably consume as much energy to deconstruct you as it did to mold your current form. I suppose we will leave it." The alien looked Tate up and down for a moment then grunted dismissively. "Given the entropic nature of that universe it won't last long anyway."

    The edges of the portal began to contract. Tate raise his arm in protest.

    "Wait! Wait..how long do you think I have?"
    "You will be lucky if it persists for another 500 of your Earth years. Farewell." The voice faded as the portal shrank shut. Tate focused his energies to open it again but found he was no longer able to access their continuum.

    "Wait! 500 years? I'm going to be alive for another 500 years?!"
  14. 8.

    The church was in sight when they heard it--the wailing off in the distance but getting closer.

    "Oh my god she's noticed--listen to her." Cheryl looked pale under the streetlamp as they began to cross the street on their way to the church parking lot.
    "You two go on ahead...run. Get over there and wait for me on the church steps." Tate looked at the walking heap of dirt. It had been able to manage a brisk walk, but anything faster had caused it to trip and spill over into a heap.

    "Go on. I'll hold her off if I need to."
    "Ok be careful." The women scampered off. He steered the dirt in the direction of the sidewalk along the fence that bordered a park next to the church's lot. They'd gone another ten feet or so when he spotted her, something like a chill passing through his reconstructed body. The vampire had actually passed him up--she was standing in the center of the street, her eyes wide with panic. Glowing. She licked her lips nervously as he met her gaze. Both hands clutched the strap of a large purse slung over her shoulder.

    "Wait! Stop! Don't do this please! Please stop!"

    Tate focused his attention on the animated earth. Instilling it with a sense of purpose. Simple directions that he hoped would keep it moving. Keep it walking towards the goal even if he was somehow disturbed by the bloodsucker. As they got closer she took some tentative steps towards him.

    "Stay back!"

    She reached into the purse and pulled out some large stacks of bills. Her hands shook as she held them out, the cash flapping in the breeze as she offered it to him.

    "Look! I can pay you...everyone needs money right? Doesn't everyone need money? I'm sorry..here take this. Please take it..I'm sorry. Just don't kill me. Please.."

    He grunted and shook his head no. The cash started sliding out of her grip as her arms went limp. The bills fluttered as the droped to the ground, some picked up and carried away by the wind. The dirt golem stepped into the church parking lot and turned into a straight line towards the chuch doors. Tate found himself inbetween it and the undead woman. She clenched her hands in front of her, her eyes darting over his face desperate to read his response. He felt a sinking feeling in his gut, even though he no longer really possessed one.

    "Listen..please...I'm sorry...I couldn't help it....I couldn't.....please believe......I couldn't stop ... I was made into this. Do you understand? I was turned into this. I didn't have a choice...someone else turned me into what I am and I couldn't help the things....I did....please don't destroy me....mercy? Please...please have mercy on me....do you understand.. this is all I have left....my soul was taken away from me.....if you do this I will be completely destroyed.....I'm afraid......please stop...."

    Tate rubbed his forehead reflexively and looked back at the grave dirt. It had made good progress across the lot. Cheryl and Sheila saw him from the steps and waved excitedly. He turned back and the vampire was once more digging in the purse.

    "Look....look at this...." She pulled out a small cloth doll. Something sewed from felt or old socks, bound together with yarn and with two big buttons for eyes.

    "My name is Mary. See I made this when I was a little girl. I remember....I'm still a person..see? I can remember my life...my mother helped me sew it and we took some spare buttons from my father's old coat..."

    She held it in her hand. She smiled wanly as she looked at the face, it's faded line for a smile turned back towards her. She ran the tip of her finger along the edges of the buttons, her head drooping slightly.

    "I'm still a person...I know I am...I know......please don't kill me...I couldn't help it....I didn't want my life to be this way...."

    Tate closed his eyes for a moment. He could sense the golem reaching the church steps. The thud of each step beating in his mind like the hand of a clock counting down. He sensed it. Numbly. A bystander, paralyzed by doubt, standing there watching the train run off the tracks.

    "Oh no. No......"

    The dirt collapsed onto the church steps. The vampire slowly lifted into the air, pulled by some unseen force. Her eyes wide, staring blankly into the distance, mouth agape. She dropped the cloth dolly as her arms were pulled wide. She screamed silently then started to fade. Tate watched her blur and fade away until there was nothing but a fine cloud of dust that was quickly carried away on the breeze.

    He kneeled down and lifted the dolly, staring at it in his palm and thumbing the button eyes absently with his thumb.
  15. 7.

    "Alan where are you going?" Cheryl stumbled on a branch as they snuck around the side of the house. Sheila steadied her with one hand, dislodging a branch from her hair with the other. The side of the house was overgrown with trees and shrubs with a narrow unkempt path winding through them.

    "Shhhhhh! Here." Tate found a clearing in front of a small basement window. He dropped on his stomach in front of it, peering through the dirty glass.

    "Did you kill her?" Sheila kneeled beside him. "You didn't did you?"
    "No. Not yet."
    "Then she could be here any minute.." Cheryl chewed on her lower lip, nervously squinting in the darkness.
    "No. I remembered an old story about vampires. That people used to go to the grave of a suspected vampire and place a pile of rice on it. The vampire would be compelled to count the individual grains. They'd be stuck in there until it was dawn again. Not just vampires actually...lots of strange supernatural creatures are said to have the trait. Something about how their minds work. Some would sneak into your house to count the silverware."
    "So she's counting all those marbles?"
    "Yeah. We have some time..don't know how much."

    He traced his fingertip along the perimeter of the small window, weakening the molecular cohesion of the bricks before pulling the window and its frame out of the wall.

    "So what are you doing now?" Sheila leaned forward to peak into the opening.
    "Please back up ladies." The women moved away as Tate reached his arm inside the hole. "That's it buddy. Good..good..come on you can do it."

    He slid back from the house, rising to his knees and pulling his arm back out through the hole in the wall. Cheryl gasped as his hand emerged clenching a greyish brown, mitten-like shape. As Tate kept pulling and rising to his feet, more and more of the dark substance slid out of the hole. It had a strong dank scent as it slithered over the grass and shifted. Eventually rising and taking a rough humanoid appearance with arms, legs and a lumpy top that suggested a head.

    "Oh my god what is that thing..." Sheila almost tumbled into a rose bush as she recoiled from the creature.

    "It's her grave--the dirt she was buried in. I was able to sense it in the basement and I used my powers to animate it."
    "What are we going to do with it?"
    "Walk it over to the nearest church. If we move it on to holy ground her connection to this world should be severed and she should fade away. At least that's my theory."

    Cheryl waved her fingers in front of her body. "Can't you just poof it over there? You know..like you did with my daughter?"
    "Hmmm...I dunno. I really don't know how much or how far I can move things that way. Do you two want to be left alone while I try to materialize over there with it?"
    "Umm no. Please, my mom and I want to stay with you."
    "At least until we know that thing is gone."

    "Well then ok ladies. Let's hoof it over there."
  16. Quote:
    If the PvP community was more robust (and not just an extremely vocal few) I could understand the want/need for a new PvP zone - maybe a PvP off-shoot of the Shadow Shard - but not taking an existing zone and make it PvP so a few teenagers can get their rocks off.
    Lol a few teenagers? As opposed to the geriatric horde of pver-ers that totally lack any twitch reflexes whatsoever and have to play a monotonous, repetitively grind based game in order not to fail?

    I think you, Zombieman and that other guy are lost. This is the forum for people that have an interest in pvp.
  17. 6.

    "I don't think you guys should hang around here."

    The vampire's lair was a large brick house set back on its lot, partially obscured by thick growths of tree on either side. Tate could sense the scout inside and he doubted that the creature would leave it alone there unattended.

    "We...have to see what happens."
    "You can handle it right?"

    The two women huddled together in the street, cowering yet glowing with a morbid fascination. Waiting to see if he'd succeed. Riveted by the thought of how bad things would be if he failed.

    "I suppose. Wait here."

    The path arched slightly to the right around the body of a large tree trunk, then straightened and connected with the front steps. The door was large, oak with decorative metal insets. Stained red. As he put his hand on the surface, he could feel the scout on the other side, altering it's molecular structure to bar Tate from entering. Alan focused his thoughts and pushed through, passing his the subatomic structure of himself and all his belongings past the physical constraints of the wood. Like a ghost, he stepped bast the barrier straight into the foyer of the home.

    The scout stood there, opposite where the foyer segued into a hallyway. For a moment it attempted to pose as a child, like the first time he had encountered it, but Tate could perceive it for what it was and it quickly gave up. It defaulted to a nondescript grey mass. Tate felt a rage begin to burn in his mind. This was the little ******* that had gotten him into the mess in the first place. But with his new senses he could see that it was merely a tool. A device with no will of its own--even less now that it's directive to psychically connect with terrestrial lifeforms had led to its enslavement by the vampire. He began to enter the shutdown sequence given to him by the aliens when he heard a sound above him.

    "AAAAAAARRRGGH!" He looked up in time to see her drop from the ceiling, a grey blur in the dim light with her pale eyes gleaming like streaks of light. She landed on him hard, driving him against the wall to the side as she sank her fangs into his neck, ripping out a large chunk of the particles and energized matter that made his new body. Struggling to hold the paper bag full of marbles with his right arm, he lifted his left reflexively to push her off.

    She anticipated the motion and seized it, wrenching with superhuman ferocity. He heard a pop as the arm tore loose just below the shoulder. He felt no pain, but the sensation..the awareness filled him with a wave of panic. The closest thing he'd felt to an adrenaline rush since his own flesh had been destroyed by his abductors.

    "ENOUGH!" The arm dissolved in her grip, becoming a luminous clowd of flowing minerals under his command. She snarled as it formed a huge fist the sized her tightly around the torso and launched across the entryway, slamming her into the wall behind the scout. He bent the construction to his will, gradually crushing her form as he reshaped his missing arm.

    The vampire writhed and growled, her legs flailing in the air as the stoney fist clenched her. Then abrubtly she was free. Her body seemed to shimmer and fade. She floated ghostlike out of it's grip then solidified on the ground again, crouching down. Her eyes darting around manically as she looked back and forth between Tate and the stone fist. Then the expression on her pale grey face seemed to break. She muttered something to herself then yelled at him plaintively.

    "What do you want with me? Leave me alone..you're tresspassing here!"

    Tate snorted. "What are you going to do lady? Call the police?" She hissed at his comment but he waved to try to calm her down.

    "Listen..we got off on the wrong foot here. I just need to get that thing back.." He nodded at the scout. "I brought something. I thought we could make a trade."

    She eyed him suspiciously. "What? What is it?"

    Tat held up the bag. "See?" He took a few steps forward and kneeled down in the foyer. He opened the top of the bag and started pouring the marbles out on to the stone tiles.

    "See? Aren't they beautiful? So shiney..." He emptied most of the bag then dropped it on the floor. The marbles were in a round, irregular pile. Some had rolled away. Some were still in the bag. The vampire stood there slack jawed, a bland expression as her gaze moved over all the shiney pieces. Tate smiled.

    "Hey no hurry. Take your time deciding. Look them over. See if its worth a trade. I'll come back later to ask about your decision. okay?"
    ".........ohhhhkaay........"
    "Good good. Great. No hard feelings then. I'll check back with you in a bit. Enjoy."
  18. Happy BDay big invulnerable guy!
  19. Quote:
    Now I feel awful. If it weren't for the additional factor of the 'trailer description' borking things up, the voting might have gone very differently. I'm really, really sorry if that caused problems for the artists - I just offered to contribute something in the hopes that more people would take notice of the work you guys do.
    [takes foot out of mouth]

    You didn't cause any problems. You've offered an extremely generous gift as this month's prize. Nobody was in danger of of elimination due to voting. There's always controversy surrounding these competitions, so please don't feel bad on account of griping.
  20. Dee Dee--

    I assumed nothing. The picture is a photomanipulation, which is allowed by the competition. It's obvious in the case of the background.

    With regards to the figure I said this (which you quoted):

    Quote:
    I don't know if Dee simply used it as ref or did some sort of paint-over directly on the source image.
    I said I didn't know. But in the case of the background it's obviously using pre-existing imagery from another source. Which, like I said, is allowed.

    Quote:
    Do you call over 70 hours of work (on Neko alone) quickly?!
    If it took you 70 hours to do the figure, how long would it have taken you to do those ruined buildings, sky, etc. at the level of photorealism present in that picture?

    I'm making a point about the structure of this competition with respect to early bird points. I think it's something people might want to consider. I'm sorry if I offended you, but I've made no false assumptions and/or personal attacks. Also, I clicked on your image many times over the course of the month and it took me to a page that just displayed the image. Maybe it would be good to also link things to your DA page if you're including more information there.
  21. Quote:
    I think if anything this year has shown that humor, fun and light heartedness can really be rewarded even if the piece lacks technical precision or even real talent.
    In a way, I think this hits the nail on the head in terms of how I feel about this contest.
    I think the voting in general tends to be capricious. There is always an element of popularity contest going into it, but even worse is the tendency to vote for things out of...I don't know..novelty?
    Because they're fun or lighthearted?
    Often in spite of how the thing was actually executed. In some ways I think a polished execution has actually been a detriment to succeeding.

    You said you voted purely on the art and didn't read the trailers.
    Why? That was part of the competition. I lost by one point.
    If you had read the trailers and voted on them as well maybe I woul'dve picked up a point or two.
    Regardless, I spent a lot of time and thought on my trailer. I actually wrote the trailer first in the hopes that I could refer to it while I was working on the painting so that they would share the same sort of vibe.
    I spent a day just writing the trailer. How would you feel if you were in a cooking competition and the judge came up and scraped some of your food into the garbage without even tasting it?
    I'm not blaming you for the loss, but it's indicative of the frustration I've felt watching these entries fail.

    Go back and look at February's winners. Lousy's entry was the overwhelming winner. That's a joke. Lousy is a good artist and I don't doubt that he could win a contest like this, but it shouldn't be for something like that.
    I talked to him in Siren's Call shortly before that deadline. He hadn't started his entry and wasn't even sure he was going to continue. He threw that sketch together at the last minute to stay in the running.
    But I think people looked at it and thought "Wow how cool would it be to have snow in the game!" and voted it the win.
    Despite the fact that it was clearly a sketch and had virtually no detail in it whatsoever.

    I think Dee Dee did a good job on her entry, but since it beat mine by the whole early bird mechanic I think it deserves comment.
    First of all, it's a photomanipulation. You can see the figure ref here: http://www.wallpaperweb.org/wallpape...90719_0028.jpg

    I don't know if Dee simply used it as ref or did some sort of paint-over directly on the source image.
    The background looks "raw". Like the sky and the burnt-out buildings were directly taken from another source. I also used some stock reference in my picture, which is linked to the stock provider on my page, but everything is painted.
    There is no direct manipulation of other people's images.

    She was well within her rights to do so, as Bubba's rules allow for photomanipulation.
    But my problem with the voting is that I don't think people are taking that into consideration.
    I think a lot of people are viewing this image as if she had sat down and sketched it out herself.
    And in terms of the whole early bird thing--yeah it's a lot easier to get work done quickly when you're dealing with pre-existing imagery.
    Again I'm not trying to disparage her or her entry, but it beat mine by a game mechanic that favors things being done quickly.
    I started on mine as soon as I found out the theme for the month, it simply took that long for me to research and settle on a poster design and then paint it.

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    Anyway, whatever.... Sorry to see you exit BW, I think you were definitely amongst the most consistantly solid entries each and every month. I think you would have had a better than even chance of winning if you had stayed in but one must do what they must, I guess.
    Thanks, but I think there's been strong indication that I'm barking up the wrong tree here. Part of it is also I'm tired. I spent a solid week on the entry this month and had eyestrain at the end of it.
    At that point I pretty much decided that if it didn't win, I couldn't keep sustaining that level of effort and keep rolling the dice on the voting.
  22. Gratz DD, well done.

    Bubba--

    I don't see any point in continuing this competition. Between this year and last year's competition I haven't won any theme, despite putting in considerable effort to do so. I've really come to the conclusion that this isn't the community where I should be trying to focus my efforts. Thanks to everyone that voted for me and please continue to follow my work on Deviantart.
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    The devs have a pretty good record in delivering the features the game's players asked for. That's the bottom line. You can pick nits about "king of the hill this" and "carry the flag that," but the devs delivered many of the features people wanted for PvP.
    The point that I made earlier that you and others continue to miss is that, yes they introduced things and spent considerable effort putting pvp content in--but then they did not support it. After the arena was introduced, there was a community that did frequent arena-based events. Then the arena broke and was not fixed for a considerable span of time. Thus that community dwindled. There were people that were passionate about base raids, but there were problems..so they took the entire functionality out and shelved it.

    The first week I ran the BAF it would spit my league out into somebody's farm mission. Imagine if none of those bugs were fixed--I would assume that it would affect the popularity of that game content. Go to an arena terminal and check out all the tournaments listed--they have never worked since day one. Why are they still there?

    I'm assuming you don't really get the call for a capture the flag option. It's not a nitpick. People have been telling them for years that dedicated pve-ers are not going to ever become acclimated to the current pvp system which is essentially "player killing player." However, there has been feedback that pvers would be more willing to try goal oriented pvp, where your team has a pve objective to accomplish but has to compete against anhother team of players in the process. Victory is defined by accomplishing the goal, not by farming other people. This would be something that would get more casual people involved and serve as a bridge to the current pvp games, but its fallen on deaf ears for years.


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    The devs have put a large effort into PvP -- fact.

    The devs have seen little return for their effort -- fact.

    The devs have delivered, broadly, on many of the features people have asked for -- fact.
    Yup, three facts taken out of context to paint a distorted picture of the pvp development of this game. I could do something similar and, for example, look at the population of this MMO since launch. Since it has decreased, I could could make some bogus evaluation that the game has gotten worse as evidenced by the overall number of subscriptions getting smaller.
  24. Oh so it's not bowling that makes someone a jackhole, it's the swagger and the trash talk. Maybe stealing someone's ball, or going down the wrong lane.
    Thanks, that's profound.
  25. Thanks for sharing your prejudice against people who like a type of gameplay you don't. I'm sure that makes them real "jackholes."