BarDouPid

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"And claws doesn't need those slots. And claws gets the full benefit of those bonus from level one whereas the others wait till SOs are full slotted. And claws doesn't have to take and slot hasten or stamina or any of those pool powers that are not required at all, giving claws more slots for secondary effects or for defensive slotting." -Fanboy
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Having an advantage at lvls 1-24 does not justify late-game inefficiencies or weaknesses. In addition, the benefits gained by Stamina are Hastern are FAR greater than the inherent benefits of Claws.

Stamina UNSLOTTED provides a 25% bonus to end recovery. 3-slotted with SOs that number soars to 50% (an equivalent option to the inherent benefits of Claws). Sure, you could avoid Stamina, but having a 50% increase to Stamina recovery is beneficial to EVERY AT (save Regen and even then some people still take it). Furthermore, HOs basically eliminate any advantages Claws might have, by freeing up even more slots (but that's a different argument).

As for Hasten, the numbers are even more impressive. A 60% increase to recharge, with only a minute of down-time is spectacular. You need approximately two Recharge SOs to match that type of return.

In summary, no one is forced to use Stamina or Hasten, but they do remove the inherent advantages of the Claws set by offering ALL OTHER MELEE SETS access to greater benefits (+recharge and +endurance rec). If there were pool powers that offered +Dmg (above 20%), additional Debuffs, or unresisted dmg features, then Claws could become more competitive within the melee peer group.

However, the truth remains that Claws main bonuses (+recharge and end efficiency) are easily replicated and outclassed, without any external offering (power pools) able to bring Claws up to its peers in dmg, utility, or debuffs. Furthermore, slotting SOs favors Dmg and Acc, while Recharge and Stamina are relegated in importance (both PvE and PvP).

My arguments are not to homogenize Claws, it's to simply illustrate why it is doomed to mediocrity. Hey, a lot of cars are sold each year that look nice, but have average performance. Some people think those buyers are suckers, but most of the suckers are pleased with their purchase. In the end, the press and car magazines can't change the auto industry or the consumers, but the media has an obligation to point out a substandard offering.

Cheers,

SUN

edit- stupid prepositions

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I'm getting confused here.

You are comparing claws without adds to the other sets with adds and saying claws loses out and needs improvement?

What happens when you add those same improvements to claws? Do claws lose out then?

I have 2 scrappers and 2 stalkers who are claws and I am quite satisfied with them. Maybe it's only the fact that my toons are almost always scragging the foes as a pair; but I also have a MA scrapper and a MA stalker who seem to do quite well without those adds, thank you (especially solo).

I admit I get quite busy if there's a mess of mobs; but my 'pairs' usually defeat '+2's all day and take out +2 Bosses for lunch.

Don't ask what I can do when my stalkers are hidden and have that pesky elite boss or AV staring my team down. More than once; my team has 'complained' I didn't give them a chance to gather more dept.

What do my stalkers do with their 'extra' slots? Put them into the concealment pool. Having conceal paired with the hide seems to get them anywhere they want. Even EBs can be assassinated.

As for my scrappers, that 'extra' also is for my defensive secondaries. Sorry, but i don't think claws lose out against the other sets. the slots the other sets MUST use to equal what claws does automatically are slots the claw sets can use to greater benefit.

Hmmmm

kind of reminds me of Dragon Ball Z

reminds me of a lot of shows (for children)

I like it.

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It would need to bake for a long while to make sure there's no stupidly abusive combinations,

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Are you kidding?

No matter how long an idea is worked on by a dev, a player will find some stupidity for it within a week.

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Father's day is only one day. Do you guys wake up your dads at 5 a.m. Sunday and follow him around until he goes to bed that night because it's Father's day? I mean, there's a difference between spending time with dear ol' dad and not leaving the poor bugger alone. :P

The event starts at 9 a.m. Friday morning (PDT) and runs through Sunday evening. There is plenty of time to get mad double XP even without ignoring your dad and convincing him your a heartless videogame-obsessed monster. Really!

I work on Friday. That means that there will be hours -- hours! -- when that double XP will just be wasting away while I earn my pay. Then the time I'll spend eating, sleeping, in the shower, out enjoying the sun...all that time wasted when I could be glued to my PC earning double XP!

Somehow I'll get through. I suspect those celebrating Father's day will manage as well.

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I agree with you whole-heartedly. Even if some people do spend all day Sunday with their father, that still leaves half of Friday and all of Saturday.

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Unless, of course, you're the dad like I am with several kids coming in on Friday and staying the weekend.

Now, I'm not about to miss a weekend with the kids to play a video game and I won't get my Depends in a knot about missing another 2XP weekend, but it is the kind of issue you'd hope someone might consider before scheduling an event.

Obviouisly they can't take into account everyone's schedule, but -- and this is just a wild guess -- I suspect a majority of people playing the game are fathers themselves and/or have fathers. So, taking Fathers Day into consideration before scheduling a 2XP weekend doesn't seem like an extraordinary expectation.

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Why do I suspect schedualling it during father's day was on purpose? Has anyone actually considered maybe it frees up the Devs to participate in some RL time?

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so what day exactly is positron's bday anyways?

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Every day.......Hes one old feller!!!

You should see his wheelchair. Chrome Plated Wheels with spinners, Borla exhaust, NOS bottle on the side, and Wheelie bars!!

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OUCH !!!! THAT image is hurting my wee wittle brain.

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First rule: Dont post when you are upset.
Second rule: Dont whine.

Sorry gang, I broke them both.

My emo post came off all to bad yesterday. Reallive issues caused me to be more upset than I had any right to be.
And the real job and real lifes comment was out of line. (at least it was poorly worded. What i meant waas that i wasnt a student and didnt have a parttime job that lets me take off with 2 weekes notice)
All in all I am just saying sorry for the bad form post i made yesterday. It really isnt the normal tone in my posts.
Sorry


Regards Poul

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As a lady trucker; I know how you feel. One the the best ways to look at such a foulup. . .if that's your worst mistake for this week OH WHAT A WONDERFUL WEEK !!

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This will be the first double xp weekend I can actually take part in!

Yahooo!

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It'll be the first time I was even AWARE it was done.

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Runs around in circles, screaming like an ADHD 5 year old hopped up on candy bars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!


This is one of the best birthday presents ever!!!
Thank you Santa Claus!
Thank you Easter Bunny!!
Thank you Great Pumpkin!!!
THANK YOU POSITRON!!!!

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hmmmm. . .you'd almost think he was happy. ;-)

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Fantastic. Girlfriend is gone that weekend ... three days of glorious exp

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Don't tell her you'll be enjoying her absence. now THAT is trouble

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Everyone get some XP for me.

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U talked me into it

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Great news Posi, and hats off to you guys for doing this again. These are always so much fun, although they usually make my altitis even worse than usual.
Maybe now I can finally get my 2nd 50 after 18 months haha!

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It'll make mine worse too. (and it's bad)
I have 2 accounts completely full.

I have taken one hero and one villian to the 20s and have a pair of each at ten. the other 18 toons are at 2nd level.

I plan to take advantage of the 'double prestigue' by entering every toon into 2 new SGs set up as 'private clubs' (One for my heros and one for my villians).

That means each new SG will start with 480K. I won't pull any toons out until the loss for such is back down to 20K (if then...I do love to run double toons of each archtype).

How's that for planning?

Now if only I could figure out how to put a vid in my avatar.

In PvP; powers are definately different than in PvE. Especially in 1-n-1.
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My experiance is a good example. I ran only one match: my empathy/archery def against a fire/fire blaster.
That blaster should have eaten my defender several times before lunch. . .Then again for lunch. . . since my only offensive powers were single-slotted snap shot and aimed shot and the only applicable defence I had was healing aura (which I put on 'auto').
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Turns out my auto-healing aura healed faster then his various attacks until he ranout of endurance. then I chased him with my 2 meager bowshots until I defeated him.
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we ran this battle for 15 minutes and I won 3 times with no loss.
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Odviously; That was not a true measure of our AT's worth or even our playing ability.
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PvP worth is in TEAM PvP. 1-n-1 is too silly. it can not be balanced without upsetting the whole apple cart.

I'll tell you one thing, the arena has brought me a fresh and better understanding of my empathy/archery defender.
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I already knew she was a healing powerhouse (healing aura, heal other, rez and absorb pain all maxxed out); but I didn't realize how difficult this made for her opponents.
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She went into the arena for a duel against an equal levelled blaster. The poor blaster ran out of endurance trying to get thru her healing aura (the only applicable heal she had). The blaster ran to try to regain endurance, but I simply kept dogging him and hitting with my one-slotted snap shot or aimed shot from my bow. I defeated that poor blaster 3 times in 15 minutes without being defeated in turn.