Bad_Influence

The hatred of different playstyles espoused by many in this thread is anything BUT dead, and you can take that to the bank. It'll rear its ugly head again next time someone figures out a shortcut.

Then riddle me this, bolded for emphasis: why do we have a "handy player tip" loading-screen which informs us "YOU CAN LEVEL FROM 1 TO 50 INSIDE THE MISSION ARCHITECT," or words to that effect?

That's pretty damned misleading. If the AE is not for leveling, they better pull that tip-screen down ASAP. If you can get your character deleted for leveling 1-50 in there, they BETTER pull it down. Because that statement, without any qualification in place, is not only misleading but outright entrapment! A more truthful statement ought to be a warning that AE foolishness can get your toon *deleted,* and it should pop up every time you zone into an AE mish.

Or just strip all the rewards, and let people savor AE missions as if they are the bouquet of an incredibly rare fine wine... as they are supposed to be, it is not about rewards but about fine storytelling!

Ha.

Not so much. What other people do is not my business; I completely lack that Puritan "BURN THE WITCH!" attitude toward AE foolishness. Or toward Katie Hannon foolishness, or any of that stuff.

It never impacted your playstyle, or anyone else's; we just have a bunch of Puritan Content Police in here who like to pretend otherwise.

I can live with unresistable damage. Just as long as I have a little endurance to do something about it *with.*

To clarify, I wasn't referring to you as Content Police. Content Police are people like those in here salivating at the thought of mass bannings for anyone who does not use AE as they think it should be used.

I find such salivation incredibly mean-spirited and antisocial, but what do I know.

I have never gotten anyone to 50 in an AE farm, that I remember. However if I got a character rolled back or deleted, I would just start them over. No raging, screaming or ragequitting, just a reroll.

One thing will fix AE so that all of these dirty exploits *...eyeroll* will stop, and here it is: Remove all rewards from AE. All of them.

At this point I am so tired of the wailing that I am fine with this, or with remving the system from the game entirely. Although action 1 will equivate action 2, if you think about it.

Let the "story purists" have their sacred little empty skyscrapers, and let everyone else get back to PI or the Grandville Freaks TV mish ASAP. Its the only way these Content Police will finally, at last and about time be quiet.

OK Sam, not flaming you here but I would genuinely like to know what I have done since I cam back to the boards that even remotely approaches - remotely approaches - the things Leo has done in this thread. Are you seriously thinking that my virtual eyeroll over someone's flaming me because I did not actually pull up and count the Mu in Marshall Brass's "Find Truth Behind PTS" mission, qualifies as equivalent to what Leo has done here?

I thought my response ws pretty low-key, given that the accusation was clearly meant to stir things up and as such, qualifies as a troll post.

[As if anyone could even go in and actually count anyways, because that count is going to change based on level, AT, and mission settings..... silly to even try]

Were you to say such a thing, I would have to reply that there is a serious double standard going on around here.

I'm actually rather annoyed at the mere idea of being blamed for silliness about an actual count of Mu. Perhaps I am alone in the entire playerbase in thinking this [although I doubt it], but however many Mu are floating around in this pre-Stamina mission, it certainly FEELS like 5000.

Like I have a gun to his or her head, shouting "READ MY POSTS OR ELSE!"

Seriously, why complain? There are people whose posts I dont want to read, and so.... I don't read their posts. Quietly. Saying nothing. Sans drama. Those posts just don't get read.

He or she might want to give that a whirl. I have three classes of forumites: 1. most people. 2. People who might say interesting things but whom I find socially dangerous to interact with, so I read their posts but rarely if ever respond, because that does not work well and 3. The Radioactive, who as far as I am concerned, don't even exist out here. [They're so unlikeable that they may as well be emitting enough gamma rays to melt the average bunker.] Nobody is responsible for what I read, but me.

I think others are just as in command of their own forum experience, y'know?

So, your earlier point that Stamina does nothing to stop end-drain re such creatures are Mu was "making fun of gross over exaggeration"? OK. That sounds likely.

If you dislike my posts, don't read them. They're hardly mandatory.

The point here is not that Stamina provides a shield between you and your average contingent of Mu parade-floats; the point here is that someone with Stamina is GOING TO GET THAT END BACK FASTER than someone without Stamina rounding a corner and meeting two Mu Adepts.

Without Stamina: sapped, dead, hosp. Or, sapped, run away, take 5 min to recharge because Rest is still down from you using it 30 seconds ago, and you got to stand around WAITING and WAITING and WAAAAIIITTTINGGGGGG. This is not my idea of a fun mission.

With Stamina: sapped, eat a few blues, back in business - or run off and recharge 30 seconds later, then back to the fight.

Some people prefer option one, and I don't get it - but then there are a lot of stylistic choices in life I don't get either. Truly, it takes all kinds.

Some growing up is indeed needed, if you think this bratty attitude of yours is convincing anyone to drop the Fitness pool like a hot potato. Or that those of us with Fitness on everyone need to "learn to play." If anyone made such a snide statement about one of your playstyles you would be the first to cry foul.

One of my favorite characters is an AE Mito-farm baby. She didn't get to 50 in there, but she powered past the pre-Stamina stuff and that is good enough for me.

Powerleveling does not affect my attachment to a character; what affects my attachment is, how fun is the character to play? If they are fun, they get to stay.

If they are not fun, they leave. And such farms allow me to experiment without a bunch of time invested, which means I get MORE time to play those folks that I like playing whilst I weed out the dreck.

Its a win/win for me. And if other people have a problem with that, I am sorry but is that going to affect my playstyle? No. Just like how I play does not affect theirs.

As far as the "instant level 50 button".... I'm an extremist. I think that should be a vet reward. You are here long enough, you get to bypass all the crap and focus on tricking out your new fifty. Say once a month you should be able to do this. I can imagine the screams now, were this to happen. LOL. Drama!

The only think I can think is that Leo here must be running a bunch of regen people. Otherwise he would know that especially on a melee alt, toggles dropping means that you are DEAD. YOU ARE DEAD! Face down. On the ground. How "efficient" am I in the hospital?

When my level 18 or so character is running that Marshall Brass "Discover truth behind PTS" mission with 5000 Mu Adepts in it, is the fact that they can suck me dry as a bone, drop my toggles and kill me due to the fact that I need to "learn to play?" I find such a supposition both naive and arrogant.

Dear "doctor": YOU were the one posting to inform us that you want the devs to use the ban-hammer because you can't find anything in AE except those gosh-durn ol' farms, and you is tired of it!

Xp is xp to me, baby. I'm not a snob about where I get it from. Good, bad... I'm the girl with the xp.

OMG. I find this so offensive, I really do. Just arrogant and downright offensive.

Run a non-Fitness Dark/dark anything and get back to us on how well that works for you, 'k?

Toggles dropping mid-fight FOR THE LOSE.

L2ply? Really? Maybe you better tell those 15 Freaks beating on me in the middle of a team melee to "l2ply." I sure don't see THEM slacking off any to conserve their own endurance.... to the contrary.

Look, you want to gimp your build by having to haul around a tray full of blues all the time; this is your right, but I find everyone who has Fitness being told "ln2ply" both rather offensive and.... laugh-out-loud funny.

We're not forcing you to put Fitness on your build and become more efficient; please return the favor, thanks. Build how you want. Because everyone else is going to, your protestations to the side.

Build-Nazism FTL:
Bad

p.s. Does anyone have a source, pro or con, on this issue of whether or not Fitness is automatically added to builds without it when i19 goes live? Because my understanding is that it will be if you do not already have Fitness. Do we have to have certain power pools chosen now to get Brawl and Sprint? I don't think we do.... this is the nature of "inherent."

Dude, YOU SAID:

....to wit: you want people banned because they will not delete old arcs which get in your way of searching for those nonexistant, excellent arcs which provide taut storylines and entertainment which can be enjoyed again and again, within the MA system. The inference here being - and its at a remove, I'll admit that - is that if you can get enough people banned, the MA system will suddenly be rife with good writing because the only arcs left will be what you consider "good" storytelling.

*laughs out loud* GOOD LUCK WITH THAT ONE!

It depends. My ranged people might be able to sneak through a level 50 ITF as level 35s - I recently did this with a Rad/rad Defender.

Melee people, though.... er, nuts to that. I have not researched it at all, but Cimerorans seem to have fantastically high smashing/lethal resistance, and they hit like Peterbuilt semis. My Tank did not appreciate them AT ALL until he got some IOs under his belt, and he didn't start seriously working on that till 50.

So, you want people banned because they fail to delete missions after an exploit is fixed? Do you seriously think that this level of sheer draconian... craziness is going to magically populate AE with missions you find interesting to run....?

I think we need a reality check here, TADA!... : AE is full of bad missions MAINLY because most players could not craft anything resembling a well-put-together arc, if it meant the firing squad. AE is 99% crap mainly because most people cannot write, or think up a remotely good idea.

Good luck thinking the ban-hammer is gonna change that! Because that is what your argument boils down to... I am really so tired of people wailing about the horrors of AE, that I would be fine with the developers yanking the entire system out of the game.

This thread: rich in amusement.

This is a joke post, right?

If not, what makes you any better than the rest of us 100,000+ strong? Why should YOU be our arbiter of taste? Jeez louise. Some of you seriously worry me. You are taking this stuff WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too seriously.

Judging from past threads, I think many here DO think that stuff like gaining levels abnormally fast is akin to felony crimes. Absolutely. And I laugh every time I see it said.

All this goes to show - as the developers shold have known going in - that if an exploit can happen, its going to happen. So you better make sure it can't happen, because a million monkeys on a million keyboards are out there 24/7 looking for a crack in your wall. And baby, they're gonna FIND it. And then they're gonna USE it... and they'll invite all their friends when they do.

As for people expecting the developers to employ an army of people as Game Masters so they can investigate every claim of "abuse" all day every day - and then deal out punishment in true Calvinist fashion, "KILL DA WABBIT! THUNDER! LIGHTNING! KILL DA WABBIT!!!!!" *lightning flashes, thunder rolls, a player is banned and gets his exploit toon rolled back to level 1*.... keep dreaming. This bunch just fired thier head animations guy. A key member of the team. You really think they have the resources to hire enough Game Masters to police a 100,000+ player base in a prompt, i.e. daily manner?! Hahahaha.

If you are running Soldiers of Arachnos, you are always scrounging for a respec - especially if they are still leveling. In fact the mere idea of thinking about how I am going to have to respec my SoAs makes my head hurt, because those are complicated builds.

The great thing is that leveling them will now be easier! We wont have to stop dead in one of the weakest leveling segments SoAs endure, and pick up three powers that are not attacks or shielding, in the name of being able to run a toggle or two. I sez, YEY

This has already been said multiple times! I am well aware the ITF is level 35+! My people never run it as level 35s because trying that on a level 50 team is as like to horrid suicide - repeated suicide - as makes no difference! And I know no one who runs it as a level 35 team. So this is not the issue. I like to get it out of the way so that when I'm 45+ and ready to go... I'll be ready. And I fail to understand the rationale of one side getting it out of the way at 14 or whatever, and the other at.... level 30? Stupid.

The only time my lower level people might enter Midnighters is to earn the day job badge.