Baalat

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wasnt twixt also admiral frost on justice? if not that guy probably got just as much hate for several issues.

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Different guy, same kinda hate. Both were on several servers and brought much hate on them selves.

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con knows hate.

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i wasnt trying to bring it up to be rude or anything ba. I had just read the article to and thats why i guess i kinda went with it last night to kinda see things "first hand" as you will. I mean i was 1 hero vs a team of 10. it was just for fun. heck i even through in a lil RP in there, and anyone who know me know how much i hate RP. "Im here to protect you states" HAHAHA Funny stuff

Also yes dark they beat him pretty fast when i stopped poking them and helped them respawn him. I think the i15 npc changes in zones effected zone Av's to.

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(off topic)I suspect that having recently read the article probably fed my annoyance, too, and led to a bit of an over-reaction on my part. I wasn't really part of the badging expedition; I had just finished that corr's pvp build and wanted to see how it went. My initial assessment is that it's a decent zone build; hopefully it'll work in the arena.

The funniest part of last night...when I logged W2V today, I had the badge for defeating Manticore in RV, despite not having been involved in any of those fights.(on topic again)

The whole event shows the fluidity of in-game social norms. I don't believe that IRL norms are that flexible or transitory or ephemeral.

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And also this...

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PvP = serious business


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... even if in jest, is partly why I've never got into PvP in any game. I've never been much of a competitive gamer I guess. Too much time spent playing D&D probably.

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He didn't anger people by PvPing; he angered people by griefing in PvP zones (TP Droning, etc). He engaged in various "no in-game reward" behaviors that didn't violate offical rules.

Normal PvP is usually fairly friendly...."fairly".....there's plenty of light, good natured ribbing although there's plenty of not-so-light not-so-good natured broadcast pvp, too.

It's interesting solo (welcome back) mentioned Admiral Frost, since he did similar things (non-rule-breaking griefing) and people reacted in similar ways (Confusing heroes who would in turn kill him in the hospital, teammates tping him into zone to be killed, etc.)

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whats funny is after reading this article yesterday i strole into RV and find a bunch of villians (bout 8-10) eaming to try and fight AV's. Im the only heroe in zone. So i decided to just have alittle bit of fun and -poke- them so to speak, knowing that a team of 9-10 vils is gonna own me.

And i think it was you Ba who got mad at me for doing this to them even though it's in a pvp zone. lol And even though i was nice enough to help them by capturing a pillbox so they could capture it back to summon statesman.

Bunch of lulz last night.

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(not to get off topic):Yeah. I didn't really mean to fuss at you all that much, and honestly, had I been on a hero I probably wouldn;t have said/done anything, though I wouldn't have joined in.(now back on topic)

It was a less extreme version of the behavior and justifications that Twixt had been using: "It's not against the rules." I even thought to myself "Twixt Lives!" last night, because Q had just showed me the link to the article.

It's been a while since I read the actual paper, but from the NOLA article, it seems that the Dr. Twixt's point was that rules and social norms differ from one another in CoH PvP, and last night was another example of that, though the violation of norms was far less clear and the existance of the violated norm far less consistently held than those norms Twixt violated.

I suppose I'll have to write 20 pages and have them on Ms Rayvyn's desk by the end of the month.

(back off topic) Honestly, though I find the notion of constituency/citizenship/ownership in the face of things like the Great Bannination of 2009 far, far more academically interesting. (Please don't delete this thread because I mentioned "you know what.")

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I'm not calling you out or anything, Baalat I'm honestly curious:

If you had to write up the same kind of article how would it differ?

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I'm not really sure. I'd need to look at his paper again at the very least. It's something that interests me and if I have some time before Fall starts, I may look into it. The way I'd start, though, would be with a lit review in order to see what others had done before. Now, I don't think twixt's exact issue has been looked at before, but other similar things may have been. Maybe I'll poke around some this week and see what kind of ideas I turn up.....maybe

As the result of having had a ...non-linear... life in general, I'm in close contat with an oddly large number of sociologists--both PhDs and doctoral students. I'd like to run this by a few of them as well. Nothing wrong with getting a co-author or two One will be over tomorrow night; I'll get him liquored up and work out some ideas.

It seems like someone who works in social deviance and social psych would be good to talk to. Dr. Twixt is in a communications/mass media department, iirc, so I may need to look at his work a little differently than I generally would.

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The lesson here is simple Bridge:

PvP = serious business



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Or as someone (I believe it was Mac) said last night: When you're a jerk to them, people get angry.

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Education is vunderbar!

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Moving my edit to somewhere that makes more sense:

It really shouldn't be some kind of surprise that norms carry over from "IRL" to in game. What I mean by calling the research "naive" in the last post was more or less this (more or less). The fact that social norms and laws don't always align with one another--especially in subcultures--isn't ground breaking in any way, and the fact that the specific subculture Dr. Twixt (i don't recall his name right now) discusses is a video game server population doesn't really alter anything.

Every time I see an academic paper about the social/psychological/etc aspects of games or gaming I'm a little astonished at how little vision academics are using in constructing and investigating their theses; I am equally surprised by their "discovery" that the ordinary social/psychological forces that work "IRL" also apply to human interactions online. Did the telephone get this kind of academic attention or was every fourth person with an above average IQ not a professor faced with "publish or perish" back then?

Academia: Teh reelz PvP, son.

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The lesson here is simple Bridge:

PvP = serious business



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Or as someone (I believe it was Mac) said last night: When you're a jerk to them, people get angry.

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Disclaimer: I'm not a PvPer... I still found this article intriguing.

Twixt

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yeah. Q brought him to my attention a few weeks back and showed me this article last night. As both a gamer and a student of the social sciences, I'm not very impressed by his CoX/MMO work. You can find the paper on his Loyola website. I may have a link still, or perhaps Q does. The analysis is not very deep or even very new, and his approach to and the description of in-game events/behavior is equally naieve, but that's just my take on it. Not to mention, anytime there are multiple grammar and punctuation errors in the first paragraph of an academic paper, you know the paper is total win.

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super boo is awesome.

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and this:
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=^;^=

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Some guy had a tall, skinny yellow toon with a military tarbucket hat named Number 2 Pencil. That gave me a good chuckle.

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I have a screenshot of that guy. I'll dig it up later.

Welcome Back

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If taunting isn't the hardest thing ever, what is?

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Not taunting. Seriously, try it.

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iggy's taunt is automatic and autohit....or maybe it's a toggle.

That was terrific fun. Thanks for putting it together, Hery.

"It was only then that Fred realized with horror that his hat didn't match his shoes."

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Perhaps protocol for emergency maintenance announcements needs reevaluating?

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As well as those for pre-live testing, it would seem.

they're still runnig his commercials.

Has anyone mentioned Unique Dragon?

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/em thrillerdance, plz

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this
and can we have /e moonwalk too?

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New costume change emote (thriller dance) and moonwalk travel power?

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Might as well use his entire catalog of moves

/e touch little kid

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Michael Jackson Booster Pack! New glove costume piece where it only has one glove on and the other is bare. LOL. New power: "Show me on the doll where..."

Sorry...in bad taste considering. But the thriller dance and moonwalk would be great new emotes. We could always use new dances.

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I think the Jesus Juice temp power is in order. One sip and it makes you even more creepy than you already are.

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de mortuis nil nisi bonum

Con has boxophobia and boxlexia.

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Anyway we can change the music in Dark Astoria to Thriller as a tribute?

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/em thrillerdance, plz

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It's safe now children. You can all come out now.

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There are probably some Michael Jackson threads on other sites you can troll. Maybe you can edit his wikipedia page. You should go to one of those places and stay there.

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Thriller was among hte first tapes I ever owned.

We spent the night listening to the girl's iPod (always a rich source of Michael Jackson music).

I feel bad for Farrah, though. What should have been, by all rights, a day the entertainment media focused on her for the first time in over 20 years, and she's eclipsed yet again. RIP to both of them. De Mortis etc...

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Thriller was the first album I ever bought.
I was 8 years old, my step brother and I pooled our allowances and got my Dad to drive us to the mall to purchase the album. When we got home we danced and danced and danced.

RIP MJ

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It was my GF's first as well. I thin kXanadu might have been my very first, but Thriller was a much bigger deal. My firends and I would have sleepovers and all bring our copies and try to sync them up on two or three of those old cassette players cassette players. Always the media pirate, I remember wedging the same cassette player under the TV speaker to record "Say, Say, Say" from MTV as they played it. One of my friends' older brothers let us borrow Off the Wall, and we were like "meh, whih track is Beat It?" But later it became apparent to me that OTW was his best effort, though many of the album cuts from Thriller are pure genius.

It's too bad more pop acts aren't (capable of?) generating music of substance and originality the way he did.

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karma

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eh?

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Family Matters
Full house
Save by the bell

all win. I was watching these shows the other night reminiscing.

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*Motions for GB to "cut it out."*

I would have said the exact opposite. Especially on the last two. Full House is (or rather was) the bane of western culture, and I was just too old for Saved by the Bell. I'm not even sure what Family Matters is. Is that the one with Erkel? Because Bill Cosby was once very, very funny--even in that show he was consistently fairly funny--and *anything* with Lisa Bonet > anything without her.

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I knew a guy once.

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biblically?

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Don't ask. Don't tell.








TJ is begging you Smoke, Don't Tell.

Please.

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He had a purty mouth.

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i miss smoke.

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I'm still bright-eyed and full of wonder, except the eyes are glowing deep red and it's a different kind of wonder.

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they call that "hate and bitterness." Feel your anger, young Macwalker.