B_L_Angel

This may be happening to me in one of my niches. I took a break from the game for about a month and started up marketing when I came back. There is someone obviously buying the recipes and trying to undercut me on the sales.

They are in for a big surprise though. I was doing this pre I16 and buying up entire stocks of the recipe. So I have hundreds of the recipes stored and dozens of the enhancements crafted with what was much lower cost salvage.

This.

The defenders inherent rewards them for playing badly or having a perma dead second account that they recall friend on. Even with a full suite of debuffs their damage output is so anemic you are most likely to be killed by real life interruption

I go with 5 pieces of doctored wounds and maybe a level 50 accuracy enhancement. It all depends on how much global accuracy I have as I exemp down. Doctored wounds maxes out my heal and my recharge and it gives me a global 5% recharge bonus. Purely on paper it looks like if you want to get past the nuke crash, blues look much more reliable.

This. ^^

The question is still just how bad is it. Some are saying its crippling others are saying you can ignore it.

Just how did you manage that ? Tried that street sweeping in pi today (antimatter arc) and they repeatedly handed me my head

There is no evidence that Blue Morning was being self serving in his analysis. We all know what happens when you assume, here you can leave off the me part.

Panzerwaffen plays the game very well and you could certainly do worse than take any advice he was gracious enough to give you. While I disagree with him on this issue, its probably because he IOs out his toons very early while I don't even bother to enhance mine till they are in their teens.

I wouldn't do the testing if I wasn't happy doing it and found it enjoyable as a project on its own.

LOL I'll trade you the vapid comments you got for the threatening PM's people sent me.

I think you are missing a bit of the ideas behind the testing procedure. The goal with each at is to have builds that have little to no overlap in how they deal with mez effects. In the case of the blaster its high recharge vs high defense. The point of "cherry picking" the maps is once again to isolate the factors affecting performance and to have as little overlap as possible.

I am not sure I properly understand what you are asking.

The point was to take toons of the various archetypes and run them through the same four maps at increasing levels of difficulty and see where they break down.

The maps I chose for this were Cimerora the wall, Unai Freaks (The sunken city one), Save warrior clan village, Levantera rescue the longbow soldiers.

I also wanted use more than one of each type of build for the AT for the blaster I had a high recharge build and a High defense type of build. The idea is that these maps break down into mezzing and non mezzing the different builds would have different ways of dealing with mez. By seeing how they perform it should be possible to tease out just how much effect mez is having on them.


After the tests were done I would be able to say, This is what the effect of having mez protection means for this AT using these tactics. The choice of freaks and rikti divides it up nicely between ranged and non ranged mez effects.

I really wanted a more objective answer than "Wahhh I am always dieing this needs to be fixed" or the counters "Lrn2play noob" and "I have been playing forever and never had a problem". I really don't care for seeing any of the above they have no place in any sensible discussion anywhere.

Thank You I just got done doing some checking on that map and why results might be so different.

I considered the following possibilities

1. The tactics you were using were much better suited than the ones I was using.

2. I might be executing my tactics badly.

3. Something else that I wasn't noticing because I wasn't looking for it

When I logged on to test I decided to detail out the spawns and the spawn composition.

What I found is this time around on +0x4 I got a bunch of spawns that consisted of 2x LTs and nothing else

When I was running the map prior to this there were no spawns that small all the spawns were in the 5-6 maybe with some 4s but I want counting the first time through.

Today there was one map without any of the spawns of 2 lts unfortunately it was the first point where I dropped and I hadn't thought to start counting the spawns till after


I did some counts on maps with spawns of 2 lts to see if the method needed to be changes

Run 1
17 spawns of 5
14 spawns of 6
7 spawns of 2

Run 2

16 Spawns of 5
18 Spawns of 2
10 spawns of 6

Run 3
22 spawns of 5
12 spawns of 6
13 spawns of 2


Spawn of 5 typically 3 Swiper minions 1 Smasher LT 1 Smasher LT
Spawn of 6 typically 1 Swiper LT 1 Smasher LT 2 Smasher Minions 1 Juicer Minion 1 Smasher minion
Spawn of 2 uniformly 2 smasher LTs no variance observed


So for this one it looks like its time to look for a map with more consistent spawns.

First what are minimal issues ? I don't want to be nit picky here but this thread has gotten to the point where its revolving around exactly what is being said and what people's personal thresholds are.

What is your archer built for ?

A blaster built for defense should have no trouble running that map at least up to 5 if not 6 or 7. I know my fire/ment is more than capable of that.

My Archer which is built for recharge not defense starts to have significant issues at about 4. By significant issues I mean the overall kill rate drops significantly and she is getting mezzed very often.

Note both the above tests were run without using inspirations. The purpose being to determine what was happening. In the archers case two tactics were employed to deal with the mezzer and they were alternated.

1. For spawns with only 1 mezzer the mezzer was targed a rain of arrows launched at the spawn, a shocking bolt fired at the mezzer followed by either a psychic scream or a fistful of arrows.

2. With spawns of more than 1 mezzer Rain of arrows followed by alternatingly psy scream, fistfull of arrows or explosive arrow.


By way of significant issues
1. Mezzers that would revive, aggro and stun while the next spawn had been engaged but before they had been killed.

2. Spawns with a high percentage of mezzers that that would get in and start mezzing before they could be killed.

Actually there is a very large section of time you do run on baseline, If you think about it I am sure it will come to you. And btw seeing as I have to keep repeating this, neither did I ask for an inherent status protection. Please look up to my post in response to clouded to see exactly how much my position is formed. It pretty much boils down to the idea that mezz is not handled consistently in the game and it may be possible to do better.

Obviously a perception issue what may bother me may not bother you. I have seen you hit situations where you have taken a defeat from excessive mez.

I did in other posts several times. You can have Freak and Rikti spawns that are 75% or 100% mezzers. There are probably more but those are the ones I have documented.

As I said that statement needs to be thought through. Is it correct that mezzers become difficult for one particular type of toon but not others as the level difference increases or the numbers go up ? The question just isnt as simple as you made it out.

Actaully in my case its very easy because I built my positron runner to have a high ranged defense at that level. I did that by using sets that would still impart their bonus at that level.

Immobs are not an issue, sleeps are not either as the moment you take damage they are gone and neither of our toons run those with offensive toggles. The only issue is the cot holds and Cortex's confuse. Which oddly enough has killed me even though I had a breakfree by you fireballing me.

I haven't gotten around to running the scrapper portion of my tests. Mostly because the question is so damn complex I am still working through the blaster portion. Then I have to do the defender and the controller, I probably wont bother with villains in depth, though I may run a few through the wall to get measurements for a baseline.

The big problem with this thread is that it started with a really really bad question. Mezz protection for all ? in terms of the game its almost completely meaningless. Dominators have mez protection /traps anything have mez protection. If you take Leaping power pool you get mez protection. This makes everyone who shouts out and says "NO NO NO Its an I win button" Look a bit like an idiot. It makes everyone who that its vital and game breaking not to have it look stupid as well.


For my tests what I have are 4 maps 2 with mezzing enemies 2 with non mezzing enemies and I have been running two different types of blaster My arch/ment which has a high recharge build, and stepping up the difficulty settings by steps of 2 in the number of opponents faced and and 1 on the plus level. I have also been looking for possible ouroboro arcs to see if I can establish baselines at levels lower than 50. If it sounds like much effort it is. The problem is if you don't do it and you dont have any numbers just what your impression is, its not much to talk about.

The only things I can say so far about mez in the game is its handled very inconsistently that there are circumstances where its a no win situation that for me was very unpleasant to deal with and there are circumstances where you can deal with it tactically. Also if you have a high defense build you can pretty much ignore the bulk of Mez that comes your way because it just doesn't connect.

In any case its very dependent on the numbers and type of enemy you are facing. It would be nice if you could say solo and lowest level is what things should be balanced around but that just ignores the realities. It ignores the fact that people play in teams and some team mates are better than expected and others are worse than expected. It ignores the fact people view not being able to up the difficulty to similar extents on different characters as a flaw

So far the only thing I am certain of is that the people taking dogmatic positions on either side are just not thinking things through.

Actually what futurias presents is relatively accurate. I was a little surprised to find that it was so but I actually took the trouble to check with a high level freak map, the one from Unai and one of the RWZ missions. You can have spawns where there are just too many mezzers to deal with they can and do occur often enough that breakfrees are not a viable option. Whats more it dealing with them is not an issue of skill its purely a matter of do you have the insps. I personally feel this game has enough zero skill elements in it already.

Second

That is a position you are introducing without giving reasoning why it should be so. I would suggest thinking through the other possibilities and why they might be relevant.

Third

Hmmm we are talking about the same Positron ? The one that only has COT as a serious mez threat and most of their mez is knockback which you can have protection from ?

Finally

If you are going to make a vague statement based on the fact that I haven't completely agreed with or taken the position you felt is correct there is little I can say in reply. What I can say is that while my position on this is still forming, I am experimenting with maps and various ATs to see what the actual situation, it has not prevented me from recognizing people that were arguing exceptionally poorly.

If you find yourself agreeing with people only because they are agreeing with you despite the fact they are using nonsense arguments you might want to double check your position.

Taking your advice I did.

What I found was you contradicting yourself and misstating your positions.


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Yes I do get to say what is unpleasant for me.

See above. But good to see that arguing with people and positions that don't exist remains a popular past time on these boards.

Must be nice to have a group you feel the need to fight on the boards. For the sake of clarity and accuracy I have said mezzes pose a difficulty for some squishies not all and having an optional means of gaining passive protection for them would not be game breaking.

I have also run tests that are still incomplete on the effect that mezzes have on the speed of squishies performance and those of ATS running similar content.

You have both misstated my position and accused me of whining so please understand why I consider you to be rude.

When you resort to describing someone that disagrees with you as a whiner you have stepped over the line into the land of RUDE thank you very much. The rest of your post is little more than learn to play. Which is a complete failure to listen to what has been said in this thread in terms of what is available and what might be done. Its as if you believe that if you say something often enough and loud enough anyone that disagrees with it must be wrong.

I have seen you tell people what is and isn't unpleasant. Your single response is learn the joys of defiance 2.0 and whenever someone disagrees with you you tell them they need to play the at.

What this thread has shown is that Mezz protection is not an I win/I lose button. We have had examples of squishies with melee protection in various forms (Dominators/ Masterminds/ Blasters) it is obviously not an I win button for them. We have had examples of Melees without mezz protection (/Fire) and for them it hasn't been an I lose button.

So yes when you jump on your High Horse and tell people learn to play or that they want an i win button its rude and just plain ignorant of what has been posted in the thread.

You keep saying this over and over to people that apparently do play blasters. I know I certainly do play blasters and have done some interesting things with them.

Let me just look over my blasters

Black Leather Angel PSI/Ment/Munitions 50 Protector
Megaera Fey Arch/Ment/Elec 50 Protector
Psi Phyre Fire/Ment/Force 50 Protector 1:18 Positron run solo no deaths I14,Pylon solo in 7 minutes
Modesty Saint AR/Ment/Elec 50 Protector
Icy Tone Ice/Ice/Cold 50 Protector
Tammy Gunn' Ar/Em/Munitions 50 Protector
Artemis Fey Arch/Dev 34 Protector
Energy Gail Sonic/Energy/Cold 50 Protector
Icy Meme Ice/Ment/Elec 50 Freedom


Now all I can say is so far your argument consists of being rude and telling people learn to play when its pretty obvious that you need to play a blaster a little more yourself.

If you get a spawn of 1 mezzing lt and 2 non mezzing minions its the exception not the rule.

In the situation you describe it would have to be tk blast then will dom as any damage will break the sleep.

Ok in his case, which is a case I know well because its my first, my namesake, and one that I leveled up well before everything got much easier, his choices for high damage alpha are psy scream and psy tornado and they just don't cut it even with aim and build up. The only technique i have found that is close to effective with dangerous spawns while soloing is pulling off individuals and defeating the spawn in detail.

Edit: He could use psychic shockwave and tornado but that would be very silly.

What bad decisions would that be ? I ask because I prefer to know just what I am replying to before I do so. Its so much nicer to have specific points to respond to rather than trying to hit vague clouds of allegations with pillows of generalities.

When you do the Rularu please post your death rate, also please post your time. What you consider fine may not be what other people consider fine.