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Originally Posted by TrueMetal

I didn't even think about griefing when making my post. That's not really what I'm concerned about.

The thing is, if there's 30 people, the first ones on the queue might be waiting for half an hour or longer. If I was one of those persons I'd be mighty annoyed to get the confirmation box, click it, only to have to do it again 1 2 3 ... times because someone drops out. It's even more fun if there's just 23 people. A 24th is found, the trial starts and someone drops out and now you potentionally have to wait for another few minutes (or many) before starting again. No thanks.

The 'forced' argument really doesn't hold water. If you don't want to be 'forced' into the trial, just don't join the queue.

Originally Posted by Twibbits

48 VEATs with all their team buffs on...

Originally Posted by Master Zaprobo

No, it's Incarnitude. Being an Incarnate is all in the attitude

Originally Posted by Eiko-chan

Can this thread please not be full of people saying "I told you so" and being snide and rude to people?

Originally Posted by White Hot Flash

You keep saying "need" but there is no need. Incarnate content is completely optional to enjoy everything you've been doing together up to now. WSTs are even completely optional, once I20 comes out, to gain Notices.

How you play, and who you chose to play with, is entirely a player decision. If you wanted more people to play with, you'd be playing on a higher pop server. If you wanted to team with people that could run TFs with less than a full team and still enjoy themselves, you'd go find them. If the end game content hems you in, it's only because you chose to let it do so.


There is no "one path to enlightenment" in this game, and Second Measure has gone out of his way with this letter to further prove that point. There will be more than one way to do what you want to do.

Originally Posted by Furio

I don't think the Trials will be a zone event type of situation, where you can just walk up and start hitting something.I imagine it'll be instanced, and it sounds like if you're participating in the Trial, it'll be because you queued up and are in a "team"

Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha

WHY?
Give me one good reason why? If you have 48 decent players, with decent builds and decent levels of skill, why the hell should they not be able to do it? Because they happen to be solo? I'm really hoping I'm missing something here, because that ain't a proper reason. Not by a long shot.



That's not 'being a soloer', that's 'being a bad player', also known as 'being an utter tool'.
The two do not go hand in hand.



Yes, that's exactly how it came off.
Coordination! = Solo unfriendly.
Literally soloing! = unable to coodinate.

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

By the way, adding Incarnate Shards to exemplaring would seem to be a big hint that they've not got any specific soloable Incarnate content lined up right now - like if they had 5-10 Incarnate story arcs in the pipeline, I don't think they'd feel the need to extend the Shard drops to all levels of the current content, as the Incarnate story arcs would be the focus of Shard collecting for soloers.

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

As it says "pp to 6 teams", and anyone on the Trail is in the League, then that means that even if you're solo, you won't miss out - you could even have 48 soloers in the League

Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha

Yes, but your also assuming that that bunch of soloers are, for some reason, always going to be bad players. At least thats how it reads.

I've seen teams where the players will literally fragment into 3-4 seperate groups on a map.
One of them happened to be the last mission of the ITF. Guess what? We won. We also cleared the whole map, laughing while we squashed the puny mortal humans.

Whats the whole beef against solo players, anyway? Did one of the violate you once or something?

Originally Posted by Second Measure

In issue 20, you will be able to craft all abilities from the Incarnate trees that are available via Incarnate Trials using Incarnate Shards and some INF. It will take longer than it will take getting components via the trials, but you will be able collect the shards as you play everything(!) else in the game to offset that. If you mix in the occasional Incarnate Trial you will make more progress.

Note that I am booked solid and will not be at my desk much for the rest of the day, Black Scorpion and Positron may answer a couple questions if I am not available.

Originally Posted by Arilou

Now that is interesting...

Originally Posted by EvilGeko

No, it really is clear that you can go "up the Incarnate tree." Conspiracy theories notwithstanding, they shouldn't need to hire a lawyer (although I am available devs - CHEAP RATES!) to write their producer letters. They knew from the first letter that people were concerned about the level shift rare issue, it seems extremely unlikely to me that they would even mention this issue if all they meant was that shards would only be usable to craft up to uncommon abilities. That's the status quo, no need to mention that.

Originally Posted by Zombie Man

Well, if the League is truly separate from the LFG/Turnstile; then that means it will be useful for:

• Zone Giant Monster hunts
• Coordination of Banners (Deadly Apocalypse)
• Invasions (Rikti and Zombie)
• Hami Raid
• Mothership Raid
• Praetorian Zone Events
• Steel Canyon Fires and Skyway Troll Raves (these really need to be updated to use the Praetorian event tech)
• Cathedral of Pain
• Multi-team PvP Zone battles
• Lord Winter's Realm event
• Costume contests
• etc...

Originally Posted by Golden_Avariel

Unless they continue to not give MM's credit for what their pets do which always struck me as odd in the Praetorian events.

Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.

In fact, you've just pointed out that teaming doesn't make it any better.
A bad player is a bad player, wether they solo or team.

Originally Posted by Zombie Man

So, there's now a route for Incarnate powering up that's solo, which is essentially turning all content a level 50 does, solo or teamed, level 50 or exemplared, into a chance to advance Incarnately.

And, there will be other content besides Raids, which, presumably, like 99% of the game, is soloable.

And there's a good probability that sometime later there will be soloable Incarnate-specific content (like Ramiel's arc is).

Is this sufficient?

Originally Posted by EU_Damz

Part of me thinks this will be great to keep track of people who leech in raids

Originally Posted by Ardrea

A lot of us, evidently, didn't want just a "Raid System". And if that's all that it's going to be, I find it somewhat less impressive than what the hype over the many months had led towards.

However, I'm encouraged they've apparently at least made the decision to allow soloers the option to just continue to collect shards from older content to access the higher tiers of the incarnate slots. At least, I think that's what they said, and considering the storms in the forums over this, I think they should just say it: "you can eventually access all the tiers of all the incarnate slots by slowly collecting shards alone, if that's how you prefer to play." One extra-clear sentence now could halt a lot of confusion.


I have to agree, and hope this will make it easier for people who're not skilled at finding traditional teams to get into these new raids.

I'm looking forward to it, and I think the developers have been seeing the feedback from both sides of these issues and responding to it as best they can at this late hour in the end-game system's design. I just wish it were more than Raids.

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

As it says "pp to 6 teams", and anyone on the Trail is in the League, then that means that even if you're solo, you won't miss out - you could even have 48 soloers in the League

Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane

Another example: I don't use Hand Clap because it's completely counter-intuitive to damage dealing, surviving or tanking. It serves no useful purpose and creating an artificial need for such a power would only anger and annoy me, rather than make me want to use it.



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Originally Posted by Golden Girl

I was about to post about that too - "climbing the Incarnate tree" can mean solo access to all Tiers of every slot, but it can also mean just solo access to one or two Tiers, like we have with the Alpha slot right now.