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Agreed. If there were that many there would have been tournaments and the typical pvp activity every week.

There wasn't.

Pretty much sums up the thread.

Also the competition's free powersets are nothing more than a mix of existing powers. It would be as if the devs took parts of different melee powersets, put them into one powerset and called a "new set". So that comparison to the competition needs to stop as it's a non-starter.

You can increase the speed at which you scroll in the options menu. Have been able to for years now.

*points and laughs*

^

This.

what ever problem slapped Freedom like a red headed step child they might have just found on other servers.

That or the hamsters need a rest.

See my other post. The more I think about this, the more I think they need to add UNIQUE rewards to each. Give the U trial 2 EMPS, but Keyes gets the ability to drop a 2nd reward table at the end, or some sort.

2EMPs would have been fine on it's own . . . if there wasn't another more fun trial that also gives 2EMPs and potentially more astrals coming live at the same time.

It'll be run more than Keyes. That's the issue.

something like that really shouldn't be as it's a dungeon crawl as you say, however time has shown folks prefer killing mass quantities of mobs (mothership raid, ITF) than they do the mechanics of something like Keyes.

But I could be wrong. Time will tell.

I'm sure there are folks who prefer Keyes, the issue is finding 15 others consistently when you want to do it. Hence the point of this thread.

They can either:
1. Change some of the mechanics. Arcanaville pointed out the most reasonable changes without turning it into an easy mode keyboard faceroll fest

2. Significantly up the rewards. 2 EMPs won't do it since there will already be an altrernative to get 2EMPS (and at the same time get more astrals--nearly 6-7 in one run through of the UTrial).

But if folks are fine with barely ever getting to actually run Keyes and continuting to see nothing but "BAF forming" "LAM forming" and soon "U trial forming" for a majority of the time, that's fine too.

/shrug.

Then you up the rewards for the later trials.

2 EMPS isn't going to do it when the U trial, which is simply more fun will also have 2 EMPS.

And I'll bet you'll see MORE folks running the U trial (which IS LONGER than any of the other three by a large factor) than Keyes come issue 21.

You do. I was speaking specifically to how many of these trials are run each day. None of them are hard once you get down to learning the mechanics. But you need a certain aspect of them being actually FUN to run for folks to want to learn those mechanics.

For the BAF and LAM, wanting to get your unlocks and slot something in them was a viable push to get people to want to learn the mechanics of them. There is NO SUCH thing for Keyes. By the time Keyes finally arrived most folks had gotten what they needed. Same thing by the time the U trial arrives. The only two things that will push folks to want to learn the U or Keyes are:

1. Is it fun.
2. Is there no other way to get my alts slotted up?

The answer to 2 is easy. So it falls on 1. to get more folks to run Keyes.

And yes getting more folks to run Keyes is important. You need participants in the Incarnate System for it to actually function as a viable system. Having a third trial that folks can form for reduces potential burnout and keeps participants in the system. Hence the creation of this thread.

Saying "folks suck" is all good and well, but it's not good when you are up at 11pm and want a 3rd EMP and the only 15 other folks refuse to run Keyes.

Just saying.

I notice you keep not mentining the other elephant in the room: LAM.

the fact that LAM is ALSO run (which most certainly is not "shut off your brain and coast") MORE than Keyes tells me you are absolutely INCORRECT.

Difficulty is not the key issue here. Nor is it lazy players. If folks aren't active on LAM they aren't going to succeed.

more accurately many folks CAN play if they take the time to LEARN it. However the encounter in question is so unfun they don't want to bother.

Especially since there are things that are MORE fun that they can do to get the same or better rewards.

funny that.

AKA Keyes is not hard if you take the time to learn it. But for a majority of the player base that dreck isn't worth learning. Having spent an entire day (literally from 12am to 12 am of the next day, with a few hours in between for lunch/dinner and other things on Pocket D on freedom) and having seen Keyes run a grand total of Twice, compared to the literally dozens of time the other two have been run, I think the player base has spoken.

AKA anyone who thinks most folks are saying Keyes is hard, hasn't been reading the thread or has a reading comprehension issue.

Agree to a point. But point 1 has nothing to do with being a leader before. If someone advertising they are forming for one thing that should be the thing they run. Deciding to be cute and change your mind at the last second is wasting everyone's time and is an idiotic jerk move. If you want to run Keyes SAY SO ahead of time so for folks can decide for themselves.

Quitting a team where the leader suddenly changes the activity isn't bad, as you may not have time for the new activity.

I honestly don't know what they were thinking when they added that part. One just needs to know the history of pvp in this game (when there was no teleport out protection around hospitals, and there were large holes in the Siren's call hospital that enemies could get into) to know how much folks don't enjoy being GANKED in the hospital.

The worst part of Keyes is that design is NOT that good compared to the other three, and makes it unpopular and thus not many people run it. Full stop.

If you make something non-frustrating and with mechanics that aren't nearly impossible to see based on this game's age-showing UI, folks will play it.

The first two proved that and I suspect third one will prove that again.

I would prepare yourself to be disappointed. Simply because when Keyes becomes 2 EMPS, there will be ANOTHER trial that is 2 EMPS AND gives more astrals and simply more fun: The Underground Trial.

I don't see usage of Keyes increasing at all due to that other trial arriving at the same time. That trial is 100 times more relaxing to play (NOT EASIER) than Keyes.

Yeah it's so much fun you don't get to run it often . . .

That is an interesting point.

Dominator--Their goal is to control society because they think their way is better, and can do a better job running things.

Mastermind--They may or may not want to control things, but have elaborate plans and henchmen to get their goals done, whatever they are.

Brute--The one who love to fight, it fuels them. They get enraged very easily, but it's all for the the fight and as much pain and suffering they can cause.

Corrupter--The love to turn things dark. If they find someone or something that is moral or holy they love to whisper in it's ear till it turns to their way of thinking. There is also the other type of corrupter, who is diseased and wants every else to be like them--abominations, embalmed, the diseased prisoners in the original COH tutorial who's name I forget, etc.

Stalker--Quite literally what it means if you want to go very dark (pervy?) with it. A more nuanced approach--an assassin. Doesn't matter if it takes a week or a year, they will get their target. They will hunt him/her down no matter how long it takes. either by poison or a well placed knife blade, or hit to a vital organ (assassin strike!)

As an aside what did everyone think of the portrayal of the Joker in Dark Knight? Some could say that his bat-shite (heh) crazy wasn't the traditional crazy. The Joker of DK was trying to prove a point about society, while doing some insane things. I don't think that's the same type of Joker as in the comics. I could be wrong though.

And to answer Sam's question, as you can see form what I wrote about the villain ATs above, I think there can be many types of villains, not just the two extremes you wrote.

Also, I find it interesting that Soldiers of Arachnos are the one villain AT that don't fit their name. As per their story line (as short and weak as it is) they are trying to become "the" Destined One (if I understand/remember it correctly), but at the same time prove their independence. If it were up to me I wouldn't have called them Soldiers of Arachnos. I would have given them the title of Infiltrators or Spies or something similar.

They really are not Soldiers of Arachnos in spirit, only in powers. However, if I understand/remember their story correctly, they want to be ANYTHING BUT Soldiers of Arachnos . . . the irony, it burrrrrrrns.