Another_Fan

Hot feet is an AoE mag 3 afraid that can be left running.

I'd go into the rest but its nothing but your unsupported opinion. You are certainly entitled to it, but absent facts to support it there is nothing to talk about.

Really ? I thought I never made mistakes. The shame

Edit: Oh heck I am in an incredibly generous mood so I'll actually explain the context of the statements you quoted.

Way back before the Devs started making alterations to our economy that let people bypass the market, people would come here and complain about the way things worked. Never mind the fact that this isn't the place to do it. Never Mind they were complaining to people profiting from their troubles, and who wanted things to change about as much as oil companies love electric vehicles.

Anyway the market forum came up with stock answers to try and shut up anyone that was complaining. The most common of these were schemes to make inf, that were horrible in their profitability/time both calendar time and player game time. You had things like Milady's you can make lots of money crafting common IOs (4 billion in 4 years) or you had the vendoring salvage scheme where people who complained were told to place 1 inf bids for salvage and then vendor it. These popped up at times when builds were costing 10 - 20 billion. From a practical standpoint if you started using the advice when it was given, you might get a build done a few years from now.

Please, if by personal attacks you mean pointing out all the times your "friends" have been wrong a personal attack so be it.

Here is a freebie for you, its something I would expect any adult to understand somehow the market forum as a group has missed it or just memory holed it.

AF: There are people doing X, here are examples

Market Forum: No you are wrong I and people I know are not doing X so it is not happening.

The lesson here: If you want to prove something is happening you just need examples. If you want to prove something isn't happening you need to rule it out completely.

The market forumites believe themselves to be the ultimate experts on all thing related to the market in this game. The truth of the matter is they are merely very loud and largely ignorant and selectively forgetful.

This is how you get incredibly funny situations like Arcanavile boasting of starting the trillionaire trend when its been around for a very long time.

OMG I am really impressed you made 4 billion, crafting at least 4 THOUSAND IOS AND LIKELY MORE THAN 12 THOUSAND. Do you have terminal OCD ? If I am going to craft that many IOs I expect to make at least 80 to 120 billion. What really gets me isn't just that you are doing it wrong, you are bragging about it and advising other people to do the same. That is a complete mindblower, I nearly spluttered my coffee onto the screen when I read it. I mean really 4 billion over what 4 years ?? I make that in a good day.



Well that is usually because I am laughing a little too hard to take these things seriously.


I mean if you are going to complain about people leaving out steps in their reasoning you really should start at home. Or do you consider yourself of such preeminence that because you say so is a valid argument. By the way I believe Arcanavile has the exclusive rights to "Because I say so" for city of heroes, be sure you got clearance to use it first.

Seriously if you want to compare accuracy of predictions of market behavior we can go down my list vs yours. Do you actually have any ?

We come to our next king of comedy in this thread here.



Really I thought Sargeant Schultz was long gone. I know children play this game but usually they are smart enough not to brag about a lack of self control.

I can go on, we have in this thread the man who claims to have invented monopoly pricing. The man who invented the worst way to use the market I have ever heard of and goes around recommending it. People that can't begin to process how the market works but are for one reason or another are attracted to your cause. I'd go on more but I mean it might spoil your performance art.

I usually attribute it to insecurity and lack of confidence on their part. I don't worry about the market or the wealth system being improved because I know I will come out on top. I have done it through more real world market crises, political crapstorms, and general business disruptions than I can count. The people that react badly feel entitled to their easy market mini game and any change that helps out others in their view will hurt them.

There are other things as well. I am highly critical of the developers and most of the people that take issue with me are vapor locked to the developer's rear ends. Que sera sera

As opposed to fire ?

immobilize
AoE mez/damage aura
Endurance recovery power
Minor Mez protection power (Not as useful as it used to be but still nice)
Self damage to hit buff ?

I would really hope a MA set would at least be more of a Ninjutsu/MA light.

Give it a web grenade, smoke bomb placate or caltrops, some sort of self heal or defense buff (cloaking device (but better)/or the retsu), then the usual build up and whatever attacks seem appropriate.

You could kill a flock of birds with one stone. People that want a weapons/devices blaster but don't want to play devices would have a good set. It would also be good for people that want Not weapon/Martial arts types, or for the weapon/martial arts types.

It always looked like it was a subset of the player base that got thrown out of joint by RMT. You also have to wonder if and how much of RMT activity was Paragon studios. After all the information about their market is priceless.

I could never try as hard as you have been in this thread. If you make little more effort you can do as poorly as you did in your endurance as leveling throttle thread.

But now that I think about it you are well on your way.

Let me see so far

1. You have operated on the assumption you got everything on the market despite evidence to the contrary.
2. You have held that a generally applicable rule doesn't hold because it makes your assumptions look silly.
3. You have held that people who accumulate far more inf than they need magically stop because the inf that was of little additional utility to them to begin with was of all of a sudden now of little additional utility to them
4. You now have the same people in number 3 who were stopping at some point not stopping so they can always be net inf sinks
5. You have tried to use SG prestige as a proxy for inf despite the fact if anything it is at best inversely correlated with inf generation.
6. Set uncollected sales by sellars as 0 when at any given time there is going to logically be a significant amount of them

Not bad for just off the top of my head.

I'd chide you about not reading what was written but so far it hasn't worked.

A gladiators armor or a single purple does not make a build. The overwhelming majority of people that were buying them were people with large stores of inf who could afford to and still buy everything else they needed for their builds.

LET ME PUT THIS REALLY SIMPLY FOR YOU

THE PEOPLE WITH LOTS OF INF MAKE THE BIG BUYS

Why ? Because if you don't have lots of inf you can't.

Bonus points on this one, you managed to violate your own premise that when players get above a certain amount of inf they stop accumulating.

You should call the banking system and tell them they are doing it wrong. That M1,M2,M3,P* have always been wrong.

The people who hoard inf are the ones that can and do pay the large prices for items. The people who were paying a billion for an individual apocalypse piece or 4 billion off market for PVP IOS aren't people who were scraping by. When they disappear a portion of those go with them.

You also neglect the fact that any given time the hoarders are going to have significant amount of uncollected sales which remain uncollected if they exit the game without bothering to clean up. This also holds true

Awhile back Top Doc made the claim of earning billions on human blood samples, in a relatively short period of time. There were a couple of other claims made for high level salvage of a similar nature.

I suppose selective memory is a facet of human nature.

You realize you just agreed with what I said ?

And you provided an example that prove this person

Has no idea what they are talking about.

Unfortunately, I have the misfortune of having a raving lunatic uttering the following statement in agreement with me and proving their lunacy with the following.

Good job, why don't you follow up with asking me "If I have stopped beating my wife".

At least energy can be very useful if you pair it with a good primary match and epic set that can benefit from its unique features. The martial arts ideas on the table have about as much extra survivability as fire, and less utility and damage.

Perhaps for the people who like blasters the way they are, the devs might give you a free powerset respec into the 9 horrible death animations that kill you secondary.

Shocked.

He also said something about putting months of effort into it.

Actually if you go to create a melee damage character from the creation screen blaster is not an option. This was discussed quite extensively here http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=289215

In general simple ports of melee primaries are not what blasters need. We need sets with actual survival utility. Mental and dark are bare minimum sets as is having things lean back the other way would just insure an ever greater number of players disappointed with blasters.

The design concepts weren't even relevant then. The only design concept that blasters live up to is being breakable like poorly made glass.

Well aside from the fact that you are basing your entire argument on set of design concepts that are no longer in place, and yours is an extension of the original flawed reasoning.

Lets so if you can have personal defense, melee damage and ranged damage you are a tank mage ? That pretty much describes brutes, scrappers, and stalkers at the moment. Whats more all three are out damaging blasters.

At this point its much more important for blasters to actually be contributing to teams, than worrying they might be tank mages.

Can you walk into the vanguard base and slap down 100k for a Mako's bite ? 1 million inf ? They are two fundamentally different categories of item. One involves a minigame that people may or may not want to play, the other involves a reasonably deterministic rate of advancement based on just playing.

If you doubt people dislike random reward rates or grinding to get a drop I refer you to this thread.

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=258774

51 pages of people complaining about just that.

Blasters need something more effective, especially for blapper oriented blasters. As it is darkness has dark pit, which is an AoE stun. At the least dragons tail could pick up the mag 2 stun.

Glad to see your posts are still up to their usual level of quality.

# listed at 1 / day = 10
# bit at 100 / day = 15

If the rate of listing is less than the rate of bids you will never see the 1 inf sale. The fact that people are listing well below obvious minimum bids and higher amounts are attainable is proof they aren't trying to extract max or reasonable value from the market.

Go back to school, this time around actually pay attention in math class.

Its really a nice concept in terms of being in line with what is already out there but why not aim higher ?

This is very much a melee oriented manipulation set (4/6 attacks are melee) why not a parry type power for tier 1 ?

Call it Sui-Ren Block and make it function like any of the parry powers. Moderate damage, Melee + (smash or lethal defense)

Blasters at last would have a tier 1 secondary that really was useful when mezzed.

Well the only choice that is going to give you a fire/fire theme is the dominator, but as others have pointed out much of your powers are going to be melee. On the plus side the dominator can actually use them in relative safety.

If you want pure range for fire you are going to have to go corruptor. It is the only one of the three ATs you list that has both range and good survivability.

Fire/Dark Corruptors are truly powerful to play and they have the added advantage of allowing you be almost entirely at range, and leverage rain of fire and fire ball. Also seeing as you are doing a phoenix theme, you have howling twilight which will resurrect your allies.

An example attack sequence for fire/dark would be something of this form. Howling Twilight or Fearsome stare)-> Tar Patch (spawn's attack capability is neutralized) -> Rain of fire -> Fire Ball -> single target attacks -> twilight grasp for the heal as needed.


You wind up with a character that is easy to get good recharge and defense, is great on teams and very good solo and dark has the great plus if you color it red it looks really fiery.

Fullmens how in god's name would I expect to get any farther with people people who think their best way of debating is bragging that they have their fingers in their ears, eyes covered and are shouting at their top of their lungs just in case something might get through.

That would be as opposed to the unshakeable belief that the overwhelming majority of people are here because they want to play the market ?

Or do you even process your own statements of the form "I found most people were willing to agree with me about how wonderful the market after a burnt hundreds of millions to billions boosting their SG's prestige"


I am sorry I could never move goalposts in anything resembling the way the market forum used to. Or do you forget how everytime someone would complain about market manipulators raising prices you and your chorus would shout them down with "You can't raise prices above the equilibrium price and still make a profit." Did you also forget when finally pressed it turned out the definition of "Equilibrium was the highest price you could raise a commodity to and break even"

It was amusing as all heck to see this forum shout people down with a word they didn't know the meaning of.


And you are complaining that I misstate what people ?

What I said

Well want to talk about moving goal posts

Seriously its pretty hard to take you seriously when you are just accusing me of your own misdeeds. Your own words indict you.

A bid of 1 inf will only buy you something that is listed for 1 inf if there are no bids outstanding for more than 1 inf.




How much would you like to bet those 567inf sales were listed for 1 inf ? Certainly no more than 11 inf.

I see from where this is going I better grab some screenshots of my stored inf, for when the inevitable, "You are poor, you don't know how the market works, you are resentful of people doing better on the market", comments raise their heads.