Zydane

I know Babbage is in boomtown, but what I mean is, I think he's linked to when Paladin spawns.

Meaning, if paladin spawns and you have someone in boomtown checking out babbage spawn points, that he'll be up. That's how I got Babbage, got him the same day I got Paladin, a few minutes after beating paladin actually.

I'm not sure if this is the case either, just that when ever I see paladin up, if I run to boomtown I usually see babbage too.

I've run across Paladin alot on Liberty server. What I've noticed, and this might not be the case on other servers, but I've noticed that usually after Paladin gets beaten, either the construction or the fully built version. he'll spawn again about five hours after the time he got beat. Not sure if this is actually the case, just something I've noticed a few times after beating him.

I also got this thought that Babbage is linked to the paladin spawns as well.

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So why is it it seems that a lot of people feel like pre-I2 toons shouldn't get Isolator? That whole "Well if they can get Isolator, we should get the event badges". No you shouldn't get the event badges, by the time those badges came out there had to be some magazine ad you saw about CoH, you weren't playing then, that's your problem, not pre-I2 people.

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In response: when I2 came out, "you could have re-rolled your character right away and gotten Isolator. You had an entire month to level such re-rolled charactes up, before the first event even happened. Then you could have had every badge, with ZERO special treatment."

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You're kidding right? Ok, lets say for example, you had a pre-I2 toon that was lvl 45. I2 comes out, and a special event happens, you get the badge for it and then you found out there's a badge in the tutorial. Now you're gonna tell me and every one else that you're gonna throw away those months of leveling and play time and badges collected (and probably can't get back, the special event ones anyway) for one badge? No you're probably not, so that is not the best solution for this "problem" I guess you could call it.

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As I understand it, I2 was live for at least an entire month before the Halloween event happened.

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To you saying if I would go back and get Isolator if given the chance, yes I would, being I didn't know about it and found out about it 3 weeks after I started playing, and I wasn't going to re-roll my toon just for that badge.

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A choice you made; the consequences of that choice are yours to live with, sorry.

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You're missing the point I was making with the first example. If someone had a pre-I2 toon lvl 35 and up, why should they have to re-roll a toon, and spend all that time to get back to lvl 35 for one badge.

Now if they had a pre-I2 toon that was say lvl 5 to 10 I could understand re-rolling then, but not when you've spent all that time getting your toon to lvl 35 and up.

That's what I'm saying, if the toon is way up in lvl, and as some have said they had a toon pretty high up there when badges where implamented then they shouldn't be punished for lvling up to a high lvl.

Personally I'm not worried bout Isolator, all my alts have it, so I'm ok with my main not having it. I'm just saying for the people with pre-I2 toons that were high lvl and not having a fair chance at the badge is unfair.

Plus no matter what way you argue it, it's a waste of time spent for someone to re-roll a high lvl toon for a badge. High lvl in my opinion being 30 and up.

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So why is it it seems that a lot of people feel like pre-I2 toons shouldn't get Isolator? That whole "Well if they can get Isolator, we should get the event badges". No you shouldn't get the event badges, by the time those badges came out there had to be some magazine ad you saw about CoH, you weren't playing then, that's your problem, not pre-I2 people.

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In response: when I2 came out, "you could have re-rolled your character right away and gotten Isolator. You had an entire month to level such re-rolled charactes up, before the first event even happened. Then you could have had every badge, with ZERO special treatment."

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You're kidding right? Ok, lets say for example, you had a pre-I2 toon that was lvl 45. I2 comes out, and a special event happens, you get the badge for it and then you found out there's a badge in the tutorial. Now you're gonna tell me and every one else that you're gonna throw away those months of leveling and play time and badges collected (and probably can't get back, the special event ones anyway) for one badge? No you're probably not, so that is not the best solution for this "problem" I guess you could call it.

Plus I wouldn't call it "special treatment" just giving someone a fair chance is all.

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That might sound mean, but it's the truth. Now if the devs want to put the Halloween badges back in there (for example) and you have to earn them like the others did then that's fine, but no one should be given the badge cause they weren't playing then.

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I wouln't expect to be just GIVEN the badges, but you have to admit - if "you" (in the sweeping, generalist sense) get a special mission to go back and get Isolator, why shouldn't someone like "us" (also in the generalist sense) get a special mission that provides an opportunity for THOSE badges?

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Again that is not a good solution, those were event specific badges, now if the devs allow you to go back and get those, I believe it would cheapen those badges. Isolator on the other hand is still in the docks, as someone put it, and for someone to not have a fair chance to get it, even though they were playing at the time is unfair.

To you saying if I would go back and get Isolator if given the chance, yes I would, being I didn't know about it and found out about it 3 weeks after I started playing, and I wasn't going to re-roll my toon just for that badge.

Yet I wouldn't go back and get the special event ones, it would make no sense for me to get those badges when I wasn't around for that event.

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Even if they get the badge by not earning it I wouldn't have a problem with that. I'm not going back on what I said earlier about if you didn't earn it you shouldn't have it, for all we know the pre-I2 players with toons pre-I2 would have done what was needed to get the badge.

I say the devs should either just give them the badge or give them a chance to earn it, that would be the fair thing to do.

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I would prefer te status quo was maintained, BUT, the scenario I've agreed to above would be ... let's call it "the scenario that would offend me least". Mainly because, well ... at least I would get another badge and some new content out of it, too.

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I have no problem with the devs fixing something for the pre-I2 toons to get a fair chance at Isolator, and give post I2 toons new content, that would be a good idea.

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I'm sorry the Developers decided to put a badge solely in teh Tutorial, with no city-wide special event planned to let post-tutorial characters have a shot at the badge. I'm sorry the developers never thought to provide some OTHER means to acquire the badge, "way back when".

But that doesn't change the fact that just handing it out, willy-nilly, goes against the grain of earned badges - and giving ANY sort of "oops, you missed it, here's a second chance" setup for ANY limited-opportunity does leave a sour taste in the mouth for many of us who missed OTHER neat badges with limited acquisition opportunities.

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This is also where we differ, I'm not saying the devs should just hand out the badge all willy nilly, if they make it so the pre-I2 toons have to earn it that would be fine, but if they just gave it to them I would have no problem with that either.

What sour taste? You weren't playing then, I wasn't playing then, that is our own fault, not the devs, not the pre-I2 players, OURS. I don't expect to be given the special event badges or a chance to earn them. I have no problem with that, I missed my opportunity to get those badges. Like I said Isolator is a different scenario, it's still in the harbor (sorry for analogy stealing lol) but it is there, grant if you leave the tutorial you can't go back, but in a sense you can.

If you're lvl 2 you would have no problem starting over. Yet if you're lvl 50, you're not gonna start all over for one badge, lose special badges you can't get back just for the one that came out, when you were playing and didn't have a fair shot at.

That's my thought on this, it isn't about giving the badge cause you just forgot it, it's about giving everyone a fair chance at the badge, including pre-I2 toons.

Also (sorry for the long post) but removing Isolator would cause more problems. If the devs allow people who have Isolator to keep it, and remove it, that would be unfair to new players. This should be about fairness for everyone.

So why is it it seems that a lot of people feel like pre-I2 toons shouldn't get Isolator? That whole "Well if they can get Isolator, we should get the event badges". No you shouldn't get the event badges, by the time those badges came out there had to be some magazine ad you saw about CoH, you weren't playing then, that's your problem, not pre-I2 people. That might sound mean, but it's the truth. Now if the devs want to put the Halloween badges back in there (for example) and you have to earn them like the others did then that's fine, but no one should be given the badge cause they weren't playing then.

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There are some that would object even to that - my mate, for example, wouldn't even like that, or ANY way for pre-I2's to get Isolator. In her words, as mine earlier - "what about US, and the Event badges?"

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What about you? Pre-I2 toons were there before badges were started and didn't have a fair chance at a badge, now THAT is unfair. Frankly they shouldn't be punished because they started playing from Day 1. I myself have only been playing since December, so I don't have Celebrant or the Halloween badges. Do I think I should be allowed to get them? No, I don't, I wasn't there so that's my loss, and anyone else who doesn't have them shouldn't ask for them. That's a totally different situation than with the pre-I2 toons.

Even if they get the badge by not earning it I wouldn't have a problem with that. I'm not going back on what I said earlier about if you didn't earn it you shouldn't have it, for all we know the pre-I2 players with toons pre-I2 would have done what was needed to get the badge.

I say the devs should either just give them the badge or give them a chance to earn it, that would be the fair thing to do.

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What date was the character created?
Is it before Issue 2?
If so, then award the Isolator Badge.


Now, the problem here is, the creation date of each character might not be recorded in the database. Therefore we need something more complex, such as:


What date was the master account created?
Is it before Issue 2?
If so, locate all characters on this account.
For each character, award the Isolator Badge.


Now we've got a problem. First of all, the process has become much more imprecise; characters created *after* I2 may be awarded the Isolator badge; furthermore, one must process *all* characters for each eligible account; this drives the processing cost upwards. And what if it transpires that the 'account creation date' only refers to the last time the account was active; where does that leave players that were here before I2, left, and then came back again?


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Ok, I don't know much about datamining, but I do know you're over thinking this idea you just said. Why are we worried about after I2 getting the badge, if they're looking for a specific date then have a program run for example something like

Search Dates "1-1-02" through "12-31-02"
(not sure when I2 came out, just using this for example)

Ok there's the dates it searches for account creation

Now the hard part would be knowing which toons were made before the date I2 came out, not sure if they keep track of that, but if they do then just use the same example above on the accounts that match the search criteria, if the toon was created before a certain date, then that one and one only should get the badge.

Yet if they don't keep track of toon creation then that could cause a problem.

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But on the subject, I don't see how Isolator, and the halloween badges and winter badges are the same other then kill x. Yeah once ya leave outbreak you can't go back, but technically, Isolator is still around and not taken away in a sense.

Ok so I've read the first 16 pages of this thread (lot of reading I might add) and everyone has a stance. Real fast my main is lvl 37, and I have a lot of badges, but not Isolator. Reason being I didn't know about badges till one magically appeared when I hit lvl 10. Am I ticked about not knowing? A lil, but I'm not real worried about it. I do think there should be something that hints at badges when a new player to the game starts the tutorial. Not a flat out "hey kill x number of contaminated get a badge" but a subtle hint would be nice.

For the people who say it would take time and resources away from the devs to improve the game, that is a false. Any one who has done any type of programming will tell you that it easier to copy and paste the code, then typing it all over. So if people suggest using the already available stuff, then the coding shouldn't take no more then a few hours, at the most maybe a day. That task could be given to one person and let the rest continue working on new content, powers, ATs and the sort.

Plus if the people pre-I2 think they should get a badge or get a chance to get Isolator, then let'em. On the whole new badge thing, let the devs give the players some input by creating a "design new badge" thread that is a way to save time for devs to work on new stuff, plus that thread would probably be very popular among players and it's another way to get the devs and players on the same page. Also, with terms of a new mission that would allow lvl 50 characters to go through a time portal is a valid story that the devs can use. Again another thread could be "design new mission", another way for players to have some input, this also would allow devs to spend time on other things.

The arguement about how if you let people go back and get one badge then others will complain about going back and getting Celebrant or the halloween badges. To those who want those badges, I say "get over it", those are the badges that a player who wasn't around for them not be allowed to get. I don't have any of those, but do I get mad? No, it was my loss I wasn't playing back then, I just see those badges and know that who ever has it is someone who's been around a while. Yet Isolator is one that is always around, you just have to know about badges before hand to get it.

I think the devs should allow people to go back and get it, if they choose to. If you feel it cheapens the badge, then don't get it, it's that simple, but for some it wouldnt' cheapen it. If the devs do anything, the little hint about badges would be nice, and putting that in coding wouldn't take no more then what five mintues to type a sentence hinting at badges?