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Quote:Originally Posted by Yogi_Bare
I am aware of that; hence the desire for a little differential for Blasters...
For flavor; something that Blasters could call their own (this to help quell all the shouting done about the snipe changes not being Blaster specific - which created a perception that the comparison between the ATs was back to the Nuke and Sustain power changes; which was, in turn, doing little to nothing to balance Blasters against the other ATs (as I was interpreting those arguments)The extended range for snipes I believe was blaster only ??Quote:Originally Posted by SinisterDirge
Fair enough. Although your post wasn't the first in the thread to mention the snipe change, you did pick up the discussion with me. I really was hoping to come to an understanding on the subject, as it has confused me since it was first raised when the blast changes were announced. I guess I will never get an logical explanation, and will always remain a "cause I wanna" request.
So be it.
Anyway I disliked the snipe changes because they were both too powerful and too limiting. You couldn't skip snipes in sets that had them after the change, and blasters became even more insp reliant than they were before. -
Quote:Except it would likely drive up sales of NCsoft's games, as Starcraft players roamed the internet looking for something else.Originally Posted by DarkBlaster_NA
A game is being shut down by Koreans to be Korean Only, Despite profit, Awesome people are enraged and baffled at the way it was handled.
Game is being shut down by Americans to be American only, Koreans declare war.
Seems legit.
You want Karma, take a dump on NCsoft wherever you can. -
Quote:Don't be a nutter. I was one of the most (read only) critical people of the game direction and the worst, I thought would happen would be a permanent maintenance mode with maybe an issue or 2 per year of things that were trivial to add.Originally Posted by Brillig
Very few things are visible if you refuse to open your eyes.
I mean it's a baffling move by ncsoft. They are tossing out $10 mil/year in sales. At the very least they should have been able to convert that into several million/year in profit by just letting people go. -
Quote:That kind of thing goes out the window when the team is having trouble. Our top end player characters could solo just about everything out there so if you had someone like that on the team it didn't matter. When you had teams of characters that had at best so's and possibly many slots unfilled it was a different story.Originally Posted by New Dawn
I agree with people paying to play what they want rather than becoming a slave to the team or being some team leaders instant lackey so if I saw a Pacifist concept I can't help but think "why not?". Although I do not like the idea of a pointless floating heal spamming bucket of no use whatsoever. Buffing powers, debuffing powers and the ability to keep purposefully busy without inflicting damage is still acceptable.
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Quote:I always looked at the earnings and thought they need to get a little sustained growth going or its maintenance mode here we come. It's a business you invest in a project you expect a return.Originally Posted by Brillig
Look at the first graph Father Xmas posted here: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...68#post4410268
The blue line is CoH revenue for the trailing 4 quarters.
If you can look at the blue line and think that the business was going well, I don't know what else to tell you.
This is why I've said repeatedly that if the Paragoners were caught by surprise, then they weren't paying attention to how their business was going. Neither GR nor Freedom were able to stop the decline. The only thing that they really had going for them was the secret project.
I have no doubt that it came as a complete shock to paragon studios. After the refunds severance packages and such this is going to be a pretty costly move for NCsoft when the alternative was to have the game go on indefinitely minmally staffed but making money. -
Quote:This is true, but if powerleveling is a game killer every game out there should be dead. Without PLs being available I probably would have left this game after the 2nd run through of the envoy of shadows arc, or world wide red.Originally Posted by SinisterDirge
Yes, it existed, but there is no tool more useful to a pl'er than the ae besides maybe the ssk system. The ssk system not only removed the need to bridge, it is far, far superior.
This is before exploits. There is a reason I will still use ae to self pl even if double xp is running. The rewards are just that efficient. -
Quote:Cobra Man insists that MA killed the game.Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
It is NOT there and that is why it is not mentioned. The reality will always go back to the truth which NC SOFT AND Paragon have BOTH confirmed.
The studio was shutdown because the "NEW" secret project aimed at the evolved hardcore gamer was in a different direction than NC SOFT wanted to go period.
So while it is clear that COH was not a huge money maker (reports have it at 10 million per year), it was NOT closed due to a decline in sales because of AE or ANY other feature/issue.
That claim is personal axe grinding crapola with no real factual support from the parties involved.
You insist poor sales and very likely losses didn't matter
I don't see how you can claim your point is any more valid than his. In order for your position to be true, the proposition that "If CoH had twice the sales it does now and 5 to 10 times the net profit NCsoft still would have closed it" would have to be true. That proposition is at best very unlikely to be true. -
Quote:They don't mention but it's there. They haven't canned wildstar. yet despite the fact it's easier to kill a game before launch than after spending the marketing money to bring in customers. You can also be certain that there was a profit number that there was no way NCsoft would walk away from.Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
The "backlash" from AE introduced in I17/18? was NOT a contributing factor, nor was ANY other feature or issue including I13 when pvp was close to killed. You saying that they were and showing chart sales do not prove anything other than "your speculation and bias about AE".
It is as simple as NC SOFT and Z put it, they decided to go in a different direction than Paragon was going with the secret project period.
If Z or NC SOFT had mentioned sales as a contributing factor then you would have specific support for the specific claim about sales, but you don't because that had nothing to do with it.
Put away your axe mate, it is blinding you to the established facts that are staring you right in the face. -
Quote:FWIW you don't seem to be a troll, just stubborn.Your position is ill formed and incomplete most likely because you don't have access the data., and you considerably overstate the case.Originally Posted by Cobra_Man
Post about what constitutes trolling
If you read the Dev Decisions that killed the game thread, there were an enormous number of things presented that could have contributed to the death of the game. What I saw there was all wrong as well.
What we had was NCsoft not doing it's job. At some point you need mgmt that isn't in love with ideas to rationally evaluate decisions. Every business has bad ideas, makes bad moves, has failures. The successful businesses are those that can recognize , recover from and mitigate their mistakes quickly. CoH quick was 6 months to years. The only people that could be reasonably expected to do this and enforce it on the culture of Paragon Studios was NCsoft. They didn't. -
Quote:If you look at the critters in the summer event, I think the devs were thinking about drastically reducing the duration of status effects in this game and that was an experiment on their part.Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
If we're talking about actual AT buffs, not buffing individual sets..
1.) CO/DCUO status removal. Mash a key to break mez.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
Nope, sorry guy, I never saw any dialog boxes to close. These must be dialog boxes along the lines of those that appear during itrials: so small and insignificant that the simply are not getting noticed. Why in hell's bells would I decide to close dialog boxes and ~then~ come HERE complaining? That makes no sense whatever.
Anyways, speaking generally I am now level 9+ and things are going a bit better.
1. They call CoX dated looking?!!!! CO looks like something done on an Etch-a Sketch, and thats with the outlines turned off. The water effects are a true LOL. Capes: LOL.
2. In-game community seems very snarky and unwelcoming. They *know* we are coming there, and its totally "OMG N00BS." People asking for help in Broadcast are either ignored or mocked.
Not me, because I have not dared to open my mouth, given the general mood. But I don't feel very welcome regardless, knowing that is how people feel. Perhaps I will just minimize my chatbox and concentrate on killing stuff for a while.
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Quote:Look there is a very simple logical problem with the assertion MA created a large number of people that didn't know how to play. WHERE DID THEY COME FROM ?Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
It really did, especially because it drove a great deal of good players who were ALSO good roleplayers from the game. Here are a few of my fondest memories:
-The Grav/Cold who kept using Wormhole to pull an entire second spawn onto the team while fighting our first, only to Dimension Shift them (which usually killed any characters who had armors powers that relied on enemies in melee range).
-The AR/Energy Blaster with Bonfire who dropped Bonfire every spawn and thought Power Push was a great idea when trying to fight a Boss.
-The Plant/Psi Dominator who kept yelling at us for breaking his AoE sleep and had almost no powers from Psi.
-The Invul tank without Unyielding "because it had crap resistance".
-The Claws/Regen Scrapper who said Regen was too endurance heavy and refused to use any power other than Shockwave
-The countless masterminds who didn't purchase the Upgrade powers "because they cost too much end to use and the pets always die anyway"
-The FF Defender with no bubbles and a constantly-on Repulsion Field/Force Bubble
-The Fire/Kin controller with no Flashfire and Repel always running
Teaming was impossible.
MA didn't attract much of anyone to the game. All it did was give people something they could point to and say EBIL BURN THE WITCH. Before MA I duoed a positron with my blaster and a someone that brought a SR scrapper. The scrapper had less positional defense than my blaster and insisted on taunting everyone to where we were.
His reasoning "Taunt means they can't use ranged".
I dropped the TF after the second mission. Morals ? Awful players were here before AE. If you have crappy people on a team get the TL to kick them or make an excuse and leave. -
Professor plum with the wrench in the library
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Quote:You don't write things off unless what you save in tax payments is considerably greater than the actual value of what you are writing off.Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
That depends on how "they" view it. They may view it as a write off. In that case is is the only thing that does compute.
Here is a very simple example.
1. You buy a piece of modern art as speculation at a low price
2. Your "Art" doesn't appreciate over time
3. You find a friendly museum that you donate the "art" to make a regular donation and they favorably value your "art" for you
4. You take the museums valuation of your art as your deduction
5. The museum places your art in their cellar
The only way taking a write off for CoH works is if they can get an insane valuation for it. -
Quote:I am sorry but you have to realize that doesn't compute.Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
The drivel is all the stupid axe grinding disguised as speculation when the devs and NC SOFT already said the project they were working on was not in the same direction as NC SOFT wanted to go.
If that is the case you drop the secret project, you don't destroy an asset that would be conservatively valued at 10-20 million dollars -
Quote:I heard they put in diminishing returns without documenting it.Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Rule of thumb is that if it shows up in your set bonus list and isn't purple or pvp, it follows set bonus exemp rules. But I digress obviously.
For me, the problem is how much stuff there is. I mean, we have.. What? Super stats? Other super stats? Characteristics? Skills? Advantages? Gear? Mods? Specializations? Second specializations? Making sense of character building in CO is just, like I said earlier, a very convoluted process. That's on top of what you're talking about here I'm sure. There are inevitable layers of complication in all of the aforementioned complications. -
Fparn
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Quote:I recall Castle saying they had a guy working on it for a month (KB->KD) and they couldn't do it.Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Some of that might have eventually happened. I was told point-blank that Kheldians weren't getting the fly and teleport pools unlocked because the devs didn't want to hear the whining from people choosing the same movement power twice.
They finally unlocked them in I-24. I wish I could get a transcript of the conversation that flipped that decision.
I never thought that they'd throw an enhancement in to drop KB to KD.
A lot had changed over the years... some of it FAR too slowly, sure, but changed nonetheless. -
Quote:That's what I thought when I looked. Well actually it was more like "Great another blueside zone villains get borked again" but you get the idea. Co-Op would have been good.Originally Posted by Xzero45
Only took 8 years for Paragon City to get a legit hospital.
Seriously, though, I wish that were a revamped Independence Port instead of an entirely new zone. Blueside is over saturated as is, it didn't need more zones. Especially city ones.
Place looked cool, though. Not knocking that. -
Quote:I'd have preferred more flexibility for our existing ATs.Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
I would have preferred Assault/Armor.
You know, a peacebringer with mez protection.
Lets see
Being able to choose the T1 or T2 for your secondary ability
Some way to actually be able to remove interruptibilty with IOs
Being able to take that 5th pool instead of an patron/epic
Group the pools into T1 and T2 abilities and only require a T1 to access the T2s
Decent status protection in a couple of pools. Something that in principle could be available enough to be worthwhile. Available a quarter of the time at most and has to be pre applied doesn't cut it. If you have a toggle heavy build anything less than all the time doesn't cut it.
Edit: Forcing bad powers down people's throats isn't great game design. Great game design is making people have to choose between things they really want. -
Quote:There were far too many things in this game that killed the benefits of range.Originally Posted by B_L_Angel
The changes I agree with were for things that were just badly done and allowed to fester for 8 years.
Basters had range and if you played to their strengths you were fine. Many people just never learned what their strengths were. Not a fault in the AT, just a problem with people who expected everything to come easy. The biggest problem this game had was trying to cater to people that didn't want to play it. -
Quote:Don't get me wrong. States had to go. He did lots of things right but he got to the point where he was causing more harm than good.Originally Posted by MrPlayskool
You're right. But this face totally ruined it. It's like a photo of the smoking gun...
while it's still smoking. Can't you see the smokiness of that hair? -
Quote:Anyone who claimed they left because AE ruined the game for them was likely going to leave anyway. AE was something you could completely avoid and didn't have to deal with at all. The only people that were "forced" to participate in AE were badgers. The only reason badgers would have quit due to AE, was Positron's thermonuclear hissy fit and badge ectomy. That wasn't an AE issue. We had people who didn't know how to play before AE, we had them After AE was nerfed, again and again and we still have them.Originally Posted by I Burnt The Toast
Did SOME people dislike AE... I am sure they did. Did SOME people quit over AE...NO ONE will ever know. Sure you can say "Well I played with So and So and they said they quit because of AE (Stupid excuse btw)," But maybe they were too proud to admit financial hardship at the time and AE made a great scapegoat to keep one's pride intact.
I always viewed our developers critically I make no secret of it, but if you want to understand the problem it was never anything individual. It wasn't even any particular poor decision, it was always the lack of follow through. Our developers were like Thomas Edison's Goatee wearing counterparts from another universe. Where Edison would have an idea and hammer at it till it was perfect and then hammer at it more, our guys would have an idea leave it half done move on to the next thing.
You don't get a good hit by just making contact with the ball, it takes follow through. -
Quote:Damn it you're right again. I mean without him, I wouldn't be upset about losing CoH, because it just never would have existed.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
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Quote:Any reasoning behind that ? From your last comment it looks like you think blasters would be infringing on scrappers. I never considered that a bad thing, they were pretty much the baseline damage dealer.Originally Posted by B_L_Angel
Crashless Nukes, OK
80 foot tier 3s, OK
Moving Armor's around, That would have been really interesting in a good way.
Making Mez viable for more builds, OK
The rest ? If I want to play a scrapper I can play a scrapper.