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I believe candlestick means this kind of win:
WIN!
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Quote:Oh that was? It's been a long while since I've used my mind/ff, and the pvp I've been doing lately is just with blaster or corrupter.Yeah not many squishy toons get their KB high enough to stop a force bolt.. thats lots of fun... But for the Melee toons that have KB protection in their main powers you won't be knocking them back at all, as the KB protection dropping while mezzed was corrected a cpl of months ago.
So ok, has anyone gotten a knockback high enough to KB a melee character through kb protection lately? 50 is pretty high, and it's like 40something in pvp. I didn't think that was enough, even pre I-13. -
Well I think I can help you with this. My mind/ff Cherryl on Victory server was once a force of nature, but come issue 13... well considering the new rules of pvp, which is "Damage is king"... she went to the bottom of the barrel pretty fast.
(1) Is PFF useful in PVP? It's my tier one, so no real choice, but question of slotting.
Answer: No not really anymore. It used to add to base defense, then they changed it to vector based, which has a soft cap already. With diminishing returns, if you're soft capped already it will give you about .2 to .9% defense. No joke. If your foe has a a decent amount of tohit or accuracy, it'll be as if it's not even on, AND you can't attack back.
The most you'd want to put in there is recharge. And even then I wouldn't slot it much since it recharges very fast for controllers.
(2) Does dispersion bubble provide adequete mez/kb protection for pvp ( I play on Freedom)?
Answer: It does not provide knockback protection at all, and in pvp there is no more mez protection, only resistance. The bubble only reduces the length you are held, immob, or stunned. It does not protect against any other mezes but those three.
As far as adaquate protection, with acrobatics stacked on, you can drop a 4 second hold to a 1.5 second hold. You'll get stunned and immobed for a little bit longer, 2 or 3 seconds. It's on par with scrapper/brute/stalker levels of resist.
(3) What slotting for Levitate and Force Bolt is recommended IO-wise?
Answer: Levitate is your damage move, slot it as you would a ranged attack. I use Devistation for the damage bonus, you're gonna need it.
And if you take forcebolt then slot it with force feedback for it's damage and recharge bonus. You can overcome acrobatics easily with a very high mag knockback. It's still the same for melee characters, you won't be able to knock them down unless they are mezed, or you have some very insane kb numbers. With a full set of force feedback you can get a mag 50 knockback, diminished of course.
(4) Is the detention bubble useful in PvP? Does it actually work on anyone?
Answer: It works for 8 seconds, sometimes less when it bugs out. I dunno why it does. It has some uses to it still, just not nearly enough to justify taking it.
Edit: It has been brought to my attention that this move only lasts 4 seconds now. I change my answer to no it's just bad.
(5) Does Terrify have a use and how would you slot it?
Answer: No, it blows in pvp. It does crap damage, even with containment. Unless they changed something recently it has a 7 second duration, which really... well it's not terrible, just not useful enough to justify taking it.
(6) Epic choice recommendations?
Answer: Stone mastery. You're gonna need all the damage you can get. Seismic smash, and throw rock.
(7) For shields, in PvP, do they help teammates enough to matter. I would get them for a Pve build, but for the PvP build, if they don't help, I may skip as I hear defense isn't too useful in PvP. If you and I were on the same team, would you be expecting me to bubble you in otherwords.
Answer: Ok here's a big one. I assume you don't know about the new rules of pvp at all then? They added in Diminishing returns. This prevents archatypes from going over a certain limit that's drastically lower than what's in PvE. The whole thing is good in some ways, but imo really hurts a vast majority of things more than it's good.
But I will go over the defensive aspect of Diminishing returns.
Now as we know, 40% defense is the soft cap for all vector based defense, you know smashing, lethal, Ranged, melee, ect...
For pvp, all non-melee characters have a diminishing returns cap of 20% defense. Epic archatypes have it closer to 35%, as well as scraps, brutes, and stalkers. Tanks have a lot more room in that they can hit the soft cap of 40%.
Next thing, your enhancements. Diminishing returns does effect your enhancements to a point where you will see a difference in your pvp numbers compared to pve. So if you had an ally bubble that does 17% in pve, in pvp it'll be around 11 or 12%
Next thing is the Haves vs the Have nots. A good portion of the good epic powers have defense based shields for squishies, Arcitc mastery, Scorpion mastery, Stone mastery, to name a few.
A blaster who takes arctic mastery and has a few defense buffs like combat jumping and IO bonuses can already hit that 20% defense ceiling. You then buff him for your 12% bubble... oh but he's at the diminishing returns cap. You may have given him 12%, but on his total it's diminished to giving him .1% defense.
Essentially the only improvement you've done is a cosmetic one on his ugly face. I'd reccomend coloring your ally bubbles to the most costume-obscuring bubble possible, possibly a bullseye too.
Now keep in mind this applies to all people with defense based abilities. Super reflexes, Shield defense, yea it essentially does nothing for them.
Now for those who don't have defense, consider you're only giving them 12% defense, which is about the same as if you had not even enhanced the bubble, and that anyone with any accuracy or defense debuffs is not even going to notice it at all.
And there's another thing, ally defense buffs do not give elusivity, which is ANOTHER calculation in defense. But I won't get into that. Forcefielders have no Elusivity in their set at all, which makes their defense as if it wasn't even there.
So to summarise, No, it makes nearly no visible difference whatsoever. Don't bother unless you just want IO set bonuses, or to grant your allies with end drain resist.
(8) Finally, any slotting recommendations for TK.
Answer: 2 recharge, 2 End Redux.
And from me, just as a bit of advice, the power behind forcefields is long gone, and being neither a debuffing or even a decent buffing set, has really gone down the crapper. Which answers your question on why all the forcefielders are disapearing.
You need a REALLY good team to make it work. Coordinated and everything, because if you're just knocking things over left and right, and no one is taking advantage of it... well it may seem fruitless. You just really need the right teammates to make it work.
Good luck though, you're gonna need it. -
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I wonder if we'd get in trouble for doing another Pown.it in forum games...
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Quote:Really? Victory server has an impressive arena community, zones are kinda... well have their off days, but our PvPEC rep ran a Melee Madness tourney (Which I won), and recently a 3 on 3 tourney. Both had well over 20+ people.Reminds me, not to many ppl arena on virtue from what I've seen. I mean the pvp event I referenced upthread was announced with plenty of time and only 6 ppl showed. One was the PvPEC guy running it, I was one, a friend I dragged along was there, and a few ppl the event host gathered together from spamming /ac. After the event was over I hit RV and there were quite a few there. I have seen a few ppl in /ac request 1vs1's but that's few and far between from what I've seen.
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I know the feeling. Nowadays I'm just building a few characters to farm stuff for my domblaster and blasterblaster. Damage is king in PvP, so... Yea just getting the IO's and farming Rikti all day.
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Ah, well, Victory is my home server, and I also use Freedom. How's pvp on Virtue these days? Or even Triumph?
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Boomie, what server where you on? I found Jemikins and Sixy on Freedom, and do you frequent Freedom?
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No I didn't get in touch with Kid. I did 57 through 100 myself.
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Ok, ok, I've been neglecting my duties as King. PWNZ just isn't what it used to be so I've not been frequenting the forums that often. On the off chance that I do, I remember we did have a LOT more PWNZ rules. Up to 100 as a matter of fact. But after many broken links, a little more than half actually worked. However I've gotten around to making them again.
1. If you have no self confidence, make someone around you more miserable than you are.
2. Always Party Hard
3. Ninjas make threads better
4. Cats > You
5. History is a valid subject, but it must be PWNZorized.
6. Paris Hilton is never attractive. Ever.
7. Screenshots always add the lawlz
8. If you fail, it will be brought to your attention very abruptly.
9. Don't try so hard.
10. Bad grammar can only be tolerated so much. Once you go too far, even someone like Cheita will make fun of you.
11. When it rains, it pours.
12. Unnecessary flames are always appreciated and welcome.
13. We can handle any situation, no matter how dire.
14. Internet fights will not make you look cool.
15. When the King declares it, so shall it be.
16. PvP is what draws us together. If you don't PvP, you don't belong.
17. You don't have friends, you only have distant aquaintances.
18. Serious conversation will always be horribly skewed off topic.
19. Rystorm will always be 100 times more awesome than you.
20. You are a horrible person, and so am I.
21. We will never die.
22. The little people (newbs) are what makes us who we are. Anger them, and you may regret it.
23. Your glass case of emotion? Please, stay in it.
24. This has nothing to do with PWNZ, but it's still awesome.
25. Attractiveness is not on a sliding scale.
26. You will be ***** slapped someday. Accept your fate.
27. Sometimes, no is never a good enough answer. Make it a good enough answer.
28. Failing happens. Get back up and try again, but this time, not so hard.
29. Yes you are.
30. Everday is Caturday.
31. We'll let you know when you win, no sooner.
32. This is why internetz + RL = lawl
33. Sometimes awesomeness comes in a small container.
34. If you are in trouble, call for help.
35. When asked to STFU its best to do so immediately.
36. The power glove. It's so bad.
37. Wiki Vandalization is not only awesome but encouraged!
38. Youtube is fine, but making your own stuff is better.
39. Meatspins WILL get you banninated.
40. Watch out! Dev's r hax!!11(No longer works)
41. When you ride, ride in style.(No longer works)
42. Fear even the little ones.
43. If one of the PWNZ rednames gets a hold of you, STAY CALM
44. Sometimes you'll find yourself on the same side as people you normally wouldn't associate with
45. Don't be afraid to get your hands dirty with the carebears.
46. Virtue in a nutshell
47. Too much slang will get you ***** slapped. See also Rule 10.
50. POWER!
51. SURPRISE!
52. Racial stereotyping is not funny...lol
53. Ignorance is bliss, creativity is fantastic, but stupidity is intolerable.
54. No one can escape teh masterlock
55. No one can escape teh masterlock!!!
56. Always make sure you have back up.
57. When there's trouble, call Steven Colbert.
58. Getting rickrolled sucks, rickrolling someone else takes timing.
59. Do not worry about losing an argument. This will invalidate any point.
60. Innuendo is your best weapon against the mods.
61. Our love of superheroes is what draws us together.
62. Speaking of that, do not ever question the Joker.
63. It's huge, son!
64. When the King invites you for dinner, its best you accept.
65. The internet is serious business.
66. There is no rule 66.
67. The king knows why things never get done in COH. He will share his wisdom with you.
68. Remember the great Speed Boost flamewar of '08? PWNZ started that.
69. Sometimes, even Carebears can have a change of heart.
70. Sometimes, they don't... because they're still listening to monkeys.
71. Chieta Corps is a shining example to us all.
72. There is a global ban on more than 3 PWNZers at a time meeting with the King in real life.
73. Did you see what I did there?
74. There is always a right and wrong way of doing things.
75. For the love of God, put it away in public.
76. Trust the fungus.
77. We will overreact to anything.
78. To escape the mods, take 4 left turns.
79. Because we always Bend the rules.
80. Never forget to feed the Arnold, but never after midnight.
81. Don't mess with the King.
82. Let's be honest. We all know what you're really here for. Don't try and hide it, we're all pretty understanding here.
83. On that note, be careful of the 'women' you flirt with while in PWNZ.
84. Don't lie. You know you love us.
85. Sometimes, you have to be prepared for a flame war.
86. Sorry, ladies. Most of the guys here are not like this... but more like this.
87. When the King says to do the Time Warp Again! Not even Rick Astley can resist!
88. PWNZ is like a tight knitted community... we share many things.
89. Don't ask, don't tell.
90. Don't get caught up in political correctness. You may find yourself in Political wrongness.
91. Take your beatings like a man, Susan!
92. Things don't turn out as you'd expect them in PWNZ.
93. The only good bug is a dead bug.
94. Never give a Klingon a Boo.
95. Xury's guide to beating Super Mario Bros 1.
96. Never ever piss off the forum fairy.
97. Base is safe.
98. Franziska Von Karma WILL hurt you if you do not behave.
99. If at all possible, always make sure you get the best of both worlds.
100. The Cardinal Rule! Links are like packages in PWNZ. Take care you don't open the wrong package, or else... -
Quote:MA is a weaker version of Katana and Broad sword. It's basically the same except it's missing the 45% perma melee defense. It has a stun, but from what i've seen it doesn't help a lot unless slotted.
Actually in many ways it's not weaker than Katana or Broadsword. It just depends on what you're doing.
The fact that it does have a stun built into Eagle claw, makes this one of the few scrappers that can detoggle offensive toggles every time you spam this move.
My first character I made and leveled to 50 is Ma/Regen, and I still use him all the time. And I've done a bit of research on all the sets.
http://www.redtomax.com/data/powers/...ee.Broad_Sword
http://www.redtomax.com/data/powers/...r_Melee.Katana
http://www.redtomax.com/data/powers/...e.Martial_Arts
Comparatively, MA has an extra high damage attack whereas the swords get the better end on the defense.
Basically there is the usual 2 low damage, 1 high damage, an AOE, and 1 tier 9 attack. The swords get a cone attack, while MA gets Crippling Axe Kick, which in pvp, is only a few points off from Crane Kick.
Plus, MA gets the stun with Eagle Claw. This is important because it will detoggle all the unfriendly toggles, and pretty much keep off RTTC from Willpower, all Damage auras, and invincibility from Invuln the entire encounter. The most utility though, that you get from Eagle Claw is detoggling Snowstorm, Rad Toggles, Force Bubble, and all the others that can keep you in movement supression.
Plus Eagle Claw does more damage than headsplitter. Crane Kick does more damage than Soaring Dragon, and almost as much as Golden Dragonfly. CK does only slightly less than Disembowel.
But Sentry4 has it right. In a sustained duel vs another melee type, having a large ammount of melee defense is better than trying fruitlessly to stun another regen. Regardless if or not you're putting duration in it, vs another melee type, you won't get but 1 1/2 to 2 seconds worth of stun. You're better off trying to end it fast with a higher ammount of damage moves.
In a warzone though, you're fighting all kinds, so the stun is VERY handy.
The powers you need are:
Storm Kick, Focus Chi, Crippling Axe Kick, Crane Kick, and Eagle Claw.
That's pretty much it. Don't bother with cobra strike, it does crap damage, it costs a lot of endurance, it has a longer recharge time than Eagle Claw, and it stuns for the same ammount of time. -
xury2 on steam. Up for some TF2, Left 4 Dead, and part 2 when it comes out.
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Fun times. Man I haven't been on the forums in a while either.
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Thanks for all your work guys. Very pleased with this version.
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Looks like the forums are at peace without PWNZ around. But gee, it sure is boring around here!
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Depends on the day/time for me, I'll volunteer. I work nights after all. But I'm fine with helping out.
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Looks like our good friend the Ocho is on the ball. I have a feeling I'm going to keep him busy. But there's no way he could disapprove of this song.
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You guys are both awful people for showing me that. So... TAKE THAT!
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Good. Been out adventuring with Spazz and Alloric. They even composed a song for us.
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Lawl, I still love that movie. Gold star for you *