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Just want to give everyone a heads up, your regularly scheduled Sunday Hami raid will be cancelled due to DXP weekend.
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Quote:I can't speak for everyone, but for the most part, folks aren't saying that there is no need for *any* other channels. They are just pointing out that making a channel with the same theme (eg. unmoderated) as an already established, larger channel (eg. Champions United) might not be the best idea because it divides players. If you have 2 groups of people who want the same thing (no moderation), then it makes sense to merge the channels to boost activity via number of players. The redside vs blueside separation is not helpful, IMO, because with both sides in the same channel, it makes it easier to track what is going on on both sides so players can switch and take part.I find it to be snarky when people are saying get out if you don't like "channel X" and at the same time complaining that there is no need for any other channels.
By no means am I saying that you can't or shouldn't make/promote a channel. Just trying to point out some things for consideration as the OP tries to recruit people for the channel so that they have better results. -
Quote:Good post, and I agree that there may be instances where for some reason, the MotD gets cut off. I'm not saying it's an impossibility. From my experience, it happens very rarely. The suggestion I'm trying to make is that it would probably happen less often if people managed their tabs differently.I'm not saying that it's understandable all the time, of course, I'm simply saying that asking someone to read the MOTD instead of answering their question might prove pointless in some instances.
Regardless, I'm not as concerned about those instances as I am about the many, many times where it's clear that a chat malfunction of some variety is not the culprit and it IS a case of laziness, pure and simple. Those are the people that usually get called out. -
Quote:There were quite a few people who responded to the OP's idea by pointing out that this new channel seems like a subsection of existing, larger channels. This is not being snarky, it's pointing out redundancy. I'm of the opinion that we don't need channels like 'Moderated Hero Chat', 'Unmoderated Hero Chat', 'Moderated Villain Chat', 'Unmoderated Villain Chat'. The bottom line here is that there are people that want moderated chat, and people who want unmoderated chat. Most people are drawn to certain channels having a larger number of players. So to me, it makes sense to not subdivide channels with common themes, but to merge them.If that is the suggestion, then why get all snarky when someone actually does it?
That said, that's only my opinion. Like others have said, if you want to make a channel, nothing is stopping you. Good luck all the same. -
Quote:This is the scenario I see a lot, where it's clear an individual has just logged on and the MotD is literally a chat line away from the question they've just asked. As an event leader, it is frustrating to see people do this after having posted the event on the forums and in the MotD. I don't mind answering questions, but it would be nice if folks took the effort to look into it themselves, especially where the information is not far away. (By that I mean, 1 cm away. And that's a generous estimate.)Its astonishing to me to see how many people will enter the channel, say hi or whatever and follow it with " isnt the rwz raid tonight" or " what tf is up for tft/what time is tft" or "what time is the sunday hami raid again?"
People have stated that they have issues with it being cut off after they have been on for hours. I don't think I've ever had this problem, and I'm always able to scroll up to read the MotD should I need to. Perhaps folks would benefit from managing their chats by using the tabs available.
Quote:Ironically, the majority o' people that are bein' told to RTFMotD are people who honestly know better, know the times o' various raids that have been happenin' for days, weeks, and months for some time now and shouldn't have to be told to do it.
In general, the people who put together events on the server have advertised them in every possible way so that the information is accessible to players. People who lead these events can't always be on to answer questions. I don't see anything wrong with directing folks to read the MotD. -
Quote:This. More channels = split focus = less attention to all channels.I've got enough globals channels already that work just fine for recruiting both sides. This just hurts the existing channels, including United.
Also, like was already said, I think it's useful to have redside and blueside players in the same channel to promote things on both sides so people can switch over. -
Quote:Yes very similar in concept, but adapted for blueside. So if you guys had fun at Sunday's hero raid, please try to go to the villain raid Llewthor is hosting.I understand this strategy is very similar to Llewthor's strategy for the Redside Hami scheduled for this Saturday. Can't wait to see it in action redside too.
(I also like the idea of having similar strats blueside and redside to make it easier on raiders who are trying out either side for the first time.)
Quote:You realize, though, that if we get TOO good at it, they'll have to make an adjustment?
Quote:Late to the action, but still got in. I've done many Hami raids, now, and this one was unquestionably MUCH faster.
Still, I think we can take away ideas that worked well regardless and apply them to future raiding. Stay tuned. -
Thanks to everyone who came out tonight!
Raid was done in 29 mins from spawn to finish. Thanks again to all who came with Raptor Packs.
Note: There was some confusion if Fly/Hover is OK. Yes, Fly/Hover is definitely OK. The main advantage to having people bring some form of flight is so we can better reach the high targets. This is especially true for melee players, so they don't lose time jumping up and down when they could be dealing more damage. This also helps Controllers with PBAoE holds use them on the green mitos. -
Actually, let me extend that to ALL players who are coming, please try to pick up a Jet Pack.
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I'd like to try out a slightly different method of taking down the mitos at the raid this Sunday. Be sure to listen to your team leads as they give instructions that may be different from what you are used to.
I'm hoping it will make better use of ATs when we have extras in each category, and may even end up being a bit faster. We'll just have to find out.
If it does not work out, we can easily resume what we've always been doing. See you then!
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It would be great if folks on melee toons could pick up Raptor Packs in advance. -
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Quote:For what it's worth, I'll tell you my side of this. I was leader of Hami Taunt, and was the team lead that spoke to your friend directly.To everyone that has posted: i apologize if you thought my broad statements were aimed at the community in general. I took offense last night...did make snotty comments after comments were directed at me (at least in my opinion). There ARE good people on champion. Again, just sticking up for my friend and went about it the way i thought appropriate. Forgive and forget!
I noticed he was level 45 and without Taunt. Now, I believe you can build your toon the way you want and that's your business. However, in a raid situation, it becomes increasingly important that Tanks that are in charge of aggro control have Taunt, mostly because the damage being dealt is of an AoE nature and can wipe a group of people (ie, the assault team, Scrapper team, etc.) In order to best control aggro, it should be directed *away* from other raiders. Taunt, without question, is the most effective means by which to do this. We have used Tauntless tanks in the past for Hami taunt, but it's not the most ideal situation for various reasons.
Since most of the teams were more or less set up with Tanks at that point, I asked if your friend had any other toons he'd like to bring. He said this was the highest toon he had on the server and explained he was from Protector. I ended up finding him another team I believed would work out better for him. (Yes I agree that people should be able to bring whatever they want, but at some point a raid might be in need of certain ATs and less need of others. We do try our best to be flexible.)
Overall, your friend was extremely cordial, co-operative and understanding of the fact that his Tank was not ideal for Hami taunt and willingly switched to another team. I was definitely appreciative of his attitude and I hope he enjoyed himself at the raid. He mentioned picking up Taunt in the future, so I hope he decides to come to more raids.
Point of this story: just because one person spoke out in Broadcast does not mean that other people aren't working to try to make the teams work behind the scenes. We try to do the best with what shows up. If you do not wish to appear to be making broad statements towards the community, then I suggest you either a) allow your friend to consult the offending party himself if he was, in fact, offended, or b) speak directly to the person you took issue with. As far as I was concerned, the issue was resolved once him and I sorted out the situation and I found him a suitable team.
On another note: I am currently trying to work in a better role for Tauntless Tankers or excess Tankers at the raid to see if we can use them more effectively while still keeping it fun. -
Good raid all. Thanks for coming.
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I'm going to try to get an impromptu Hami raid going tonight. If folks could start forming up around 7pm EST, that would be great. Hopefully we'll have enough interest.
See you then! -
I should have checked this thread before the raid so I could say Happy Birthday on Vent.
Best wishes! -
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Just listened to the old one again, makes me excited to see how this one will turn out!
Thanks for putting it together, Bud.