Zapping

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In PvP, almost every other AT uses a lot their powers. Stormies? Most just click on Hurricane and use that and that alone. That right there says it's been overpowered. Instant Healing was overpowered for PvP.

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Can't remember when I've ever killed someone with hurricane. Granted I really never PvP, but last I checked it caused 0 damage, I actually have to use a few other powers if I hope to actually defeat someone. Thats like saying tanks rely on their shields in PvP. Of course they do! But they have to attack to kill stuff. Same with stormies.

Ok I snuck on for a little bit to test this out (I knew there was a reason I installed on my work machine!). I used Zapping (level 50 storm/elec) and went to PI by portal corp where there were a bunch of level 50 mobs.

First group I took on were 3 lvl 50 malta, 1 sapper and 2 other I don't remember what. I took out the sapper, 1 enemy ran, so I cornered the other and took him out, waited for the third to return and took him out. Easy fight, not a good test as they split up early.

Next fight was a solo Hercules Titan, conned yellow. Pushed him into a corner and took him out pretty easy. Basically hurricane is still pretty easy to use on single targets.

Next I went through a few groups of possessed scientists. Each group had three scientists, all conned white. This is where I really noticed my problems herdicaning. Even with only 3 enemies, they could easily split up and move around between pulses. Knockback was the only thing that helped as they couldn't run when they were on the ground, but then again the ragdoll physics also makes it harder to push them. These were still easy fights, but it showed me that herding larger groups of higher level stuff is definitely going to cause issues. Not impossible, but definitely issues.

My final fight before I had to log to actually do some work (ok really to post this here) was two orange death mages. Now part of my problem is there weren't any good corners near where I found them, but in the past that just meant pushing them to where there were. Much harder here. Basically I had to focus on locking one down as much as possible while hoping the other didn't get me. Lightning storm, voltic sentinel and tornado were vital in keeping them off me as they could stun me since I couldn't keep them locked in a corner. Mid-fight my ever trusty tornado aggroed a group of carnies as well. Turned out to be a good test. Took out the strongmen quick since they were always good versus hurricane, but was still able to ignore the fencers, etc while finishing off the mage.

So I guess my final impression based on a fairly short session of testing on small weak groups. Hurricane is no where near the power it once was. The debuff is still good, but the repel was an important part of the defense, and its no where near as reliable as it was.

That being said, I'm sure I'll learn to adapt. I hope they'll look at the feedback and maybe buff the pulse time a bit - maybe meet part way between the old and the new. But I'm not going to quit over this, nor do I hope to see the defender boards turn into the "woe is me" boards that other class boards have turned into.

After all I'm a stormer, best class in the game. There's a reason there aren't any stormers in the CoH comic. They'd debuff Manticore's ability to shoot them and they'd make Statesman look weak.

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Is it possible to just have the tick rate be different for PVP and PVE? Beause that could solve the problem.

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It wouldn't be possible, no. Power effects for PVP and PVE are not decided on a "what zone you're in" basis; they're decided on a "what kind of enemy is attacking you" basis. And Repel ticks the same no matter if you're being attacked by players, NPCs, or even not attacked at all.

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Unfortunately I'm pretty sure Robotech is right, there is no way to make hurricane work differently because when you turn it on it simply turns on, its not targeting a particular enemy. I don't know if they have the ability to make it check on the enemies side when they get hit by hurricane to see what effect it might have, based on past Dev posts I'm guessing not.

I can't comment on the actual changes yet, as I haven't had time to log on the past couple days. I'll have to give it a shot. Based on what I've read here I'm disappointed, but I think I'll be able to work with it. I first made Zapping in CoH beta and went through a long time of being considered a gimp because I was storm. I'll admit maybe its a bit of my own ego, but I like being one of the few stormers. Up until PvP came about and people realized stormers (mostly storm controllers) were the safest squishies in PvP the storm community was a small but strong network. We've lost some of that recently, who knows maybe this nerf will bring the community back together.

Oh and ignore KidQwik. He's been trolling for a storm nerf because in his own mind he's decided stormers are the reason regen was nerfed. About the only pleasure I've seen him take on these boards are calling for others to be nerfed as well. I find it quite sad, but at least he can get a few moments of happiness before moving on to sulking about his regens again and calling for someone else to be nerfed.

Anyways, hopefully I'll get to test this out a bit in the next day or two and see what I think.

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Boston!?!

I'm sure you meant Tampa. Right? RIGHT!?!

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No, you both mean Seattle.

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Ok, its clear that you all won't be able to settle this so we should just have it in DC. I mean what's more patriotic then having it in the DC area?

And we have coffee shops on every single street corner to lure CuppaJo. Literally there is a Starbucks inside my grocery store which is next door to a Starbucks.

And hey, if we want to see what real street crime is we can go to the eastern side of the city or just up the road to Baltimore!

Kid,

Look I'm sorry that Regen was nerfed. But I assure you it wasn't a storm defender that did it. I realize you are having a hard time with it, but lashing out at anything that you aren't guaranteed to beat every time you face it in PvP isn't the way to fix your issues.

Many people in this thread have brought up multiple ways to deal with hurricane. Is it good defense? Yes! But is it unbeatable? No. Otherwise I'd have a many fewer debt badges and a much better PvP rating. If you want to discuss making it a click versus toggle I'm happy to read your (and other people's) points. But every post seems to be "my regen was nerfed, so we must nerf others." Look I never spoke up in either direction during the regen nerfs, basically because I've never played a regen beyond the midteens. So I have hard time seeing why you've chosen stormers as the focus of your revenge for the nerfs. I guess all of the other defenders are too squishy and easy to beat, so you'll take on the one that stands any chance.

Sorry back to the discussion, I just had to throw this in here because the unnecessary attacks in your posts were really getting to me.

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I dont think this can happen because of defenders. For Controllers, you take away hurricane and they still have all their tools from their primary to defend them. Take it away from defenders and...storm defenders get squished like all other defenders. Its literally their best and only defense.


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Unfortunately this is enough to make many melees hate us and want it nerfed. the whole "I looked at that defender and he didn't die, please nerf him" craze. Granted anyone with a mezz can beat a storm defender, anyone with range can overcome hurricane and if a melee has buffs from their teamates (or learns to jump with a toggle dropping attack) they can overcome hurricane. So how is it overpowerful again?

Time for me to join the cool kids

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*Cuppa = Mythbusters Freak*


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That show rocks! And as often as it replays it keeps my tivo busy

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I used to live in Austin. Great city... to have a job in. You do NOT want to LIVE there. Want to drive 4 miles down the road at 5pm? Better get ready for an hour of bumber to bumber traffic. And if you want to go -godforbid- downtown.. just save yourself the trouble and take the bus.

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Coming from DC that doesn't sound too bad. It always boggles my mind when I think I live less then 15 miles from my office, and yet my commute is consider not very bad, since it only takes me 45 minutes or so to get home.

So how about a meet and greet in DC? You know the nations capital, perfect place for the Austin NC Soft folks and the CA Cryptic folks to meet up.

If you need help replicating the hurricane repel bug I'm sure some of the stormers here would be glad to meet you on test to show it off.

Thanks for the massive review.

I was a Nightshade on Pellinor. Hit 50 before TOA, but never could get the time or the energy to get any MLs. Luckily I got a COH Beta invite and really never looked back at DAOC.

Always enjoyed the background your articles gave the game. Glad to hear that even if you leave your "red name" post, you'll still be a part of the community.

Come join us on Justice, the characters on our server will give you plenty of writing inspiration!

Best wishes to your brother. We have a lot of great men and women over there accomplishing a lot of good.

As to your honest responses, keep them up. They are definitely one of the things I like best about this team. I deal with too much spin in real life, some honesty on these boards is refreshing. For all the people that take offense I'm sure there are many more of us that appreciate it.

Wonderful video. Great job!

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Hide Park (Skyway City)

My take on it is this:

Hide Park => Hyde Park (in London) => Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde => a man who mutates into something else after ingesting a chemical formula => kind of similar to what's happening to The Lost, yes?


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Hyde Park is also the hometown for Franklin Roosevelt in NY. But your London reference works better.

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Definetly.

We can think, they can't.

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After reading this board for awhile I'm not sure this statement holds up

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Are you kidding? We want to do this in Providence, Rhode Island!!! *mad gleam in her eyes* What better place than the Paragon City of an alternate reality?!

(and no, I don't live there. :P Want an excuse to visit there.)

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Wow, its been awhile since I lived anywhere near Providence, and I know they've done a lot to clean the city up. Still i never thought I'd see people looking for an excuse to go there!