Alpha_Zulu

Originally Posted by B_Witched

Here is the problem. You're soliciting feedback for changes that happened 7 issues ago, feedback that was given in force BEFORE 13 went live..feedback that was asked, gathered and presented by a much larger, much more organized, much more dedicated pvp community. It's funny you guys ask this when I read the hard ball questions the devs get at PAX EAST. "when will my male toon get a sexy walk?" wow...riveting.

The most recent interview with Warwitch I read seems to indicate she gets that turn based mmos are dying and fps mmos are duh, winning.The one thing they ruined with i13, speed.

There are truly not a lot of us left and more leaving every day. We have told you what to do to keep those of us left and how to attract a lot of those who left back. These excercises in futility only serve to frustrate us more.

Originally Posted by MrLiberty

Nah I think we are still here, just not all that excited about things.

With half the teams disbanding and the other half absorbing teams into their rosters for the playoffs. What is the point?

Originally Posted by artic_chill_44

do u want him? U can have him if u want

Originally Posted by Artic_Chill_44

Your Not Serious!

Originally Posted by Beastyle

"Hands down, out of everything I liked in PvP before the changes, the thing I liked the most is _____," that's what I'd like to hear.

Originally Posted by PC_guy

Ok. So this thread really has no point now.

Just lock the damn thing. Not like the devs are going to look at it anyway

Originally Posted by Myrmydon

Nah, level shifts are part of the game now.


Myself, I say try it without the Cold/Thermal stacking and see what happens. Those things break the game more than any level shift ever could.

Originally Posted by XxBudweiser8xX

Any word on another lvl shift happening at all?

Originally Posted by Fury161

And by the way, this is coming from a player who was only ever an average PvPer. So you've got hardcore PvPers, casual PvPers and even non-PvPers telling you that these changes sucked! How much more do you need to know???

Stop talking to us, start talking to whoever can get this done, THEN come talk to us when you have a decent foundation to build a better PvP system on.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger

Hence, these conversations.

Originally Posted by Phillygirl

. To be blunt it looks like a post to make him look good at the new job.

Originally Posted by EmperorSteele

Wow PC Guy, how'd you get to be such an optimist? Your half-capacity glass must be OVERFLOWING! =D

I mean look, the Devs/management didn't HAVE to tell Z to open up to us. They wouldn't do that just to get people talking and then NOT take some action. Granted, the changes people are asking for might be out of the Devs scope to give us immediately. Maybe they were looking for ideas for a quick-fix or whatnot. But it's not like Z said "well I'm bored, i'm gonna go ask the PvPers some mindless questions and stir up the hornet's nest!"

Now, I realize you'd rather expect NOTHING and then get a little something, than expect a lot and get nothing or next to it. But really, dial it back a bit, you sound nutty!

Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades

Playing the Apex TF over the last day has aquainted me to the insanity of developers dropping spots that move randomly on you while expecting you to use powers that root you.

Then you have the melee players saying well you need to pay attention - all while being stunned by some of the Champions and unable to actually move.

Is this the best we can expect? A gimmick to drop instant death is the best thing we can expect for making a challenge? How about adding enemies without status effects but yet with armor on all of them? I did this on an AE mission and everyone loved it. I had a few enemies that had specific hard hitting attacks that would hurt squishies - so the melee learned to handle those - I had some resistant to slows - some resistant to fire.

Originally Posted by macskull

see people bringing trays full of greens or blues (if fighting a Therm) because that's all that's really effective.

Originally Posted by PC_guy

whats the point?

everyone who has ever remotely been involved with pvp has gone through this round about multiple times. Personally i've had numerous conversations with mod08 when he used to come to triumph and we would talk about the current state of pvp, he'd go through the same round about you're giving us right now. what do you guys think will make pvp better, what do you like about pvp ect. albeit those were the first conversations and the ones after those were basically "whos it coming on the pvp front mod08?" and he'd give something along the lines of "im trying but to no avail" followed by a feelsbadman.jpg.

and i think the big discourse in this thread is this

because i dont' think this is correct AT ALL. there is alot of harm in talking about the current state of pvp. why? because we've been talking about the current state of pvp for the last 3 years. every time the issue comes up its followed by rage, frustration, and disappointment. you're getting the hopes up of anyone who isn't already jaded by the devs actions in the past and that is a very dangerous thing to do.

by creating this thread to "talk about the current state of pvp" without giving us something to put our good graces on, you're(generic dev you) acting like there is a chance for something to be done about pvp, when anyone who has been around knows that that isn't going to happen. we've done this before and nothing happened. why should this be any different? its like reminiscing to a recovering alcoholic about the good times you used to have when you used to get ****faced on the weekends.

we're now at the point were community feedback and talking about the subject isn't the problem and action by the dev team, or lack there of, is the problem. and it has been for a long long time.

so, again, whats the point of putting the pvp community through this same dog and pony show, something its already been through before, when there is almost nothing differently from the past and why should we be expecting a different outcome.

I can understand your wanting to understand the pvp community and your empathy towards us, but no matter how constructive this thread gets, all it does is harm your pvp community when they know, you know, and the other devs know that nothing has been done, and there has yet to be anything to show that anything will be done.

Originally Posted by Phillygirl

Here is the thing Z, this thread wouldn't be a joke if you could actually be honest with us. Being totally honest with us isn't your job though, you give us a PR spin on crap and try to keep us in line and be a buffer for your Dev team, and then report back to the dev's on the communities possible take on things and what they are on about this week etc.

Originally Posted by Sapphic_Neko

I think what made planetside so much fun is there was no real goal to it all. No special drops, no points earned, you just played because it was fun to do so.
Noone got mad when you lost cause you didn't really lose anything, when you held a base you got access to diffrent vechicles. Like one base gave the ability to spawn a dropship, others gave ability to make tanks.
And everyone were the same, you didn't get one shotted by someone who plays 24/7 to get the uber sword of doom +5. Noone had a better gun than the other.
In WoW, WAR, Aion etc, there were rewards for pvp, even if you lost you'd get em, but if you won you'd get em faster. So people got more mad when you did lose, and it causes a bad attitude.

Originally Posted by B_Witched

Go ask the devs and come back with a real honest answer.

we know - "we are looking at pvp at some point" "we are not working on pvp right now" "we realize some changes were not a success"

Do all of us a favor and ask them point blank - "do you plan on rolling back i13 changes in pvp, at all or ever?"

Come back here and tell us the definitive yes or no answer. If you can be honest with us from the get go, you will gain a lot of respect. Coming in with the "hey we know pvp sucks right now and no one is planning on working it but tell me what is groovy about pvp for my term paper" tact really is not a great start.