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Put up or shut up. Either leave the game in a ragequit or just shut up and play nice and accept the rules as they have been presented. If they're not clear enough for you, then either play however you want and be prepared for the consequences of your illiteracy or simply leave the game. It's your choice. But you're NOT going to get your way and have the devs say "we're sorry, we think farming and powerleveling is great and we're just going to let everyone do whatever they want". It isn't going to happen. You can't win this fight. Deal with it.




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LOL you aren't a dev and you don't speak for them. Deal with it.

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There are so many things I could say to that. Good luck.

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I should give up on both of you.

I really can't believe anyone can sit there and argue your positions with a straight face.

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I am just as incredulous as you, but from the opposite perspective.

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Yes but my perspective has a 1000 years of jurisprudence and cultural norms behind it.

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You thus have the knowledge and experience to recognize that the Comm Officer XP was more than "a bit high." And to recognize that the Comm Officer maps would be considered exploits.


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You see there is the whole of it. I didnt't play with MA in closed or open beta. As far as I could tell with the auto SK feature in place xp and ticket rewards for MA were and still are off the wall.

They keep bouncing aroud nonsense land.

P.S. The no range attack and the comm officers were brought to the devs attn in open beta and publicly on these boards. They chose to go forward with that as working as intended.

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There are so many things I could say to that. Good luck.

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I should give up on both of you.

I really can't believe anyone can sit there and argue your positions with a straight face.

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1. How about responding to the WHOLE post, rather than cherry picking one item? Are you trying to say that you had no idea at all that the Comm Officers were behaving in an unintended manner? What did you mean, then, by "out of whack"?

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LOL you mean you don't just know what I meant ? By being out of whack. What I meant was that they were a bit high in the rewards and would probably be brought down. No big deal its something that has happened often.

2. Fast leveling leads to burnout is the mantra behind all these decisions. Without that you just have him being random and arbitrary.

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You recognized that the Comm Officers were behaving in an unintended manner. (That they were "out of whack.")



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What I said was I thought they were out of whack. That is my opinion. I think many things are out of whack in the game, see long list.

If I didn't do any of them I wouldn't play the game.

There is the height of positron's stupidity on this topic, He threatened to ban people so they wouldn't get burned out.

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If you can't figure out what is cheesing and what isn't - if you absolutely refuse to take any responsibility here - if you can't look at examples from the past and try to figure out what kinds of behavior are and are not acceptable - then, in short, too bad.



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That is just idiocy. I play this game to escape from responsibility not take on more.

Whats more even in real life I don't spend all day second guessing weather my actions are within the intent of the law. If I see a sign that says don't walk on the grass, I don't walk on the grass. If there isn't a sign, I may or may not, but its not my problem then.

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LOL and it hasn't been defined as being illegal elsewhere ?

If you want that analogy its more like the store had a free sample section and put the wrong items in it.

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You acknowledge that the comm officers were "out of whack". Which implies you understand that using them the way they were being used was also "out of whack". And, you are not brand new to the game, so you also know that taking advantage of something that is "out of whack" "should not be done".


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No there are all kinds of things I consider out of whack that the devs may or may not. It can be little things like using the Ouro to get to cimerora or it can be larger things. I don't make the call on whats legit or not. They do. You can say I should have endlessly but the fact is there is no way I could have.

As I said above I play this as a game to relax. I don't see myself as deputy dev. While I will certainly abide by rules and even the requests of the developers they actually need to make them. Asking me to guess and threatening me if I guess wrong is really not a relaxing scene for me.

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If you can't figure out what is cheesing and what isn't - if you absolutely refuse to take any responsibility here - if you can't look at examples from the past and try to figure out what kinds of behavior are and are not acceptable - then, in short, too bad.



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That is just idiocy. I play this game to escape from responsibility not take on more.

Whats more even in real life I don't spend all day second guessing weather my actions are within the intent of the law. If I see a sign that says don't walk on the grass, I don't walk on the grass. If there isn't a sign, I may or may not, but its not my problem then.

On the fire side

Fireball
Firebreath
Flares
Fireblast
Blaze.

Rain of fire optional
Inferno (fun but optional)

Ice is more heavily dependent on style.

Chillblain no choice but its good.
Ice patch must have.

After that its all kind of dicey on how you want to build your mitigation. If you are going flying-hover/ranged def the melee attacks make nice mules for makos bite. If you are a ground pounder the auras and shiver are useful..

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But you are also not a moron. You are perfectly capable of using reason and judgment. In normal content, the normal behavior of comm officers is to summon portals. Nor do comm officers appear in large, exclusive groups in normal content.



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The game is full of things I just shake my head at.

<ul type="square"> [*]An email system that is only used by rmters. . [*]Summoned entities that are fantastically deadly but give no XP.[*]An invention system that has pretty much only has three setting settings, Junk, ehhh, and fantastic.[*]The removal of base salvage. (Yes they went to the trouble to take out a feature)[*]The Psi blast powerset on blasters[*]Sappers that can effectively one shot a hero but only give minion xp.[/list]
And it goes on. The above is just whats on the top of my head.

Did I think the comm officers were out of whack ? YES. Then again I think many things in the game are completely out of whack. Some of which the devs acknowledge as such others they don't seem to care about.

Code Freeze or not, they had the tools to say this should not be done.

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I like the MA. I think it is fun making missions for it.
I think if people can get off their high-horse about their "rights" to abuse the system, the MA can become the truly great thing that can be.


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High Horse ??? You do understand what the phrase means don't you ??

High Horse: an attitude of arrogant superiority; \

You are the damn definition here.

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I like the addition of ranged for melee.

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now can I have the same range on my ranged attacks?

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Yeah, I think a reasonable person can see why they added ranged attacks to custom toons... it's just that those ranged attacks seem a bit excessive. It seems they do more damage than other ranged attacks of the same type, and have a longer range. Of course, I don't really know that - but it certainly seems that way. If it was just on the order of a Freak Slicer or BP Zombie, I don't there would be nearly as much complaining about it.

But then I'm guessing someone will produce the actual numbers that show that they are on the same level as those attacks and I'll be embarrassed by my own positive selection bias.

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I haven't made detailed observations seeing as the ticket cap and posis threats have shifted me away from ma, but from what I have seen they are about on a par with blaster tier 1 and tier 2s. Their range seems to be at least 80 feet it maybe more

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does not mean that that behavior is INTENDED. Comm Officers, for example, were STILL never intended to appear in a custom group with just them.

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Somebody had to put them into MA as their own group. Now you may argue that it should have been obvious what the developers wanted from them but I will say this code freeze or no, they could have put a post up on the message boards and said please don't do this and we won't be able to fix it for a week. They could have also changed the message of the day.

I have said this before I am not a mind reader. I find it really hard to gauge the wants and intents of people who I have never met and are tight lipped about them in their public statements.

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What do the Council have that are really dangerous? War Wolves?

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Lots of marksman that stand back and pelt you from beyond melee range. This ticks off people whose defense depends on you being up close and personal. For my WP and INV melee characters freaks are a cakewalk

It ticks on a 4 second cycle to produce 1.5 seconds of mag 2 confuse. It has a base accuracy of 75% and the confuse has a further -25% to it happening.

Using it as pbaoe confuse gets you very little, but you can proc it out or use it as a set mule

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First - that wasn't my definition - I was just pointing out that you were ignoring what you were quoting.

Second - Comm Officers, put by themselves in a custom group, absolutely were an exploit. They were never intended to appear in vast quantities with no actual fighting Rikti to help them survive - certainly not with the huge xp bonus they were assigned for a time.

Third - Freaks are worth more xp than Council because they are more dangerous than Council troops in their level range. They are intended to give rewards commensurate with the increased risk involved in fighting them.

I don't speak with red name authority, but these are pretty clear common sense answers.

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2. Comm officers still can appear as a group, so that undercuts that putting them in one was an exploit. As to how much xp should they have ? Your guess is as good as anyone elses. There certainly is no rhyme or reason on how xp is assigned, take a look at sappers

3. Freaks more dangerous than council ?? To who ?

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So no, I do not find Psychic Blast a bad set. I hit with PSinado, mind scream, drain pysche and pSW and finish off what is left.

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Look if you like it thats fine. From my point of view it seriously underperformed other blasters I had built. It even under performed in pve blasters I had built specifically for PVP. My ICE/EM which I thought would not do well in PVE was a joy by comparison. (If you are going to wind up single target at least have single target showstoppers).

Compared to my PVE monsters it was no contest. Arch/ment, fire/ment, AR/EM, AR/Fire, ICE/ICE (slow but not as slow as psi/ment).

When I would do 60 points to even con mobs(lvl 50) with a fully enhanced (5 piece posi blast) psy scream and aim and build up on top I knew I had problems.

What I finally wound up doing with mine was going munitions. Trying to build up ranged defense and regen. I finally came to the conclusion even if I fully purpled out I would have munitions and ment trying pull psi along.

Either way, thats just my experience with it. I am probably biased as I built the character for concept put much effort into it and never got the performance I thought I should get from a blaster from it.

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Well, the only definition that counts for exploits is what the devs consider it to be. They've stated that an exploit is when you use an unforeseen or unintended game mechanic to give yourself a statistical advantage that you wouldn't have in normal gameplay. Seeing as missions within the game have always had a mixture of enemies, creating a map filled with a single enemy that basically self-nerfs itself in that situation.... is an exploit.

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Referring to the bolded part.

Not a mind reader.

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Well by that logic, personal supergroups are a clear exploit, teaming with yourself to solo tfs are a clear exploit, using a second account to twink out a lowbie is a clear exploit, the list goes on.

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Actually, there's a key difference between the one-person cartel and the activities you mention. The activities you mentioned weren't singularly excluded. Rating one's own arc was.

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??? They certainly seem to be.

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but when i play it on the account that didn't publish it, i get a message saying i cannot rate missions that i have published myself.

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Bahh he probably wanted to report it as a farm.

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It wouldn't make any sense if they allowed authors to rate their own arcs in the first place. But it's something they clearly went out of their way to keep from happening. At all. Using a second account to overcome this is bypassing a restriction the Devs placed into the game.

By definition, an exploit is something that bypasses the restrictions placed on the game. Hence, this method of rating one's own arc would qualify as an exploit.


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Well by that logic, personal supergroups are a clear exploit, teaming with yourself to solo tfs are a clear exploit, using a second account to twink out a lowbie is a clear exploit, the list goes on.

I don't even want to think of the exploits involved in households that have more than 1 person that plays the game.

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Painful

Painful to get to 50

Painful to have at 50

Bout the only thing psi is nice for is PVP and if you want to do that take EM

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hmmm weird, I have yet to experience the painful, I do rather well with my Psi blaster

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You must have missed dark astoria, radio missions in the 40s, citadels tf, nemesis, council bots in general, malta bots, arachnos bots, banished pantheon and any time you had a group spawn more than three because of the shortage of aoes in the set.


Have I missed something ?

Well the stun in the set is horribly slow animating. 3 seconds for a st stun ???

The one aoe in the set is a slow dot.


Now if you combine the primary with /MM its even more good news bad news. Good news is MM is very very good, bad news you are doing even more of that damage type that so many things just shrug off

Going PSI/MM is like being the green lantern of old* in a national forest

*Powers wouldn't work on wood

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but when i play it on the account that didn't publish it, i get a message saying i cannot rate missions that i have published myself.

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It most likely recognizes the arc was created locally, regardless of account used to do so. I imagine if this isn't something that was done on purpose, it's something the Devs left alone when it was discovered; one shouldn't be able to rate their own arc in this manner. That said, even if it were possible to rate your arc on a second account, it would definitely be classified as an exploit.

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Really definitely an exploit ??

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I'll be sure to cyber on my catgirl extra hard, just for you. &lt;3

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Post a video to youtube

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Even if 90% of the content in the MA were crap, that would be over 2000 arcs that are NOT crap.

2000 arcs is probably more content than you can consume on one character (at half an hour per arc).

See the arc review threads in this very forum to find arcs and authors you may like. And if that doesn't work, make your own.

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The problem isnt just that about 98% is complete crap. Its that of the 2% or so that isnt just isnt crap 1.5% isn't much better and the interesting .5% keeps getting nerfed