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Quote:What does your moral compass tell you ?Originally Posted by Wuigly Squigly
Link please.
Pretty sure I heard the contrary like a day or 2 ago, but knowing for sure is always nice.
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Quote:Oh certainly, I would say at a much lower figure than that though. As I pointed out in the thread asking for help on how to use tickets a big factor is just how much dreck do you want to dig through to get your pony ? I am perfectly willing to cash 540 tickets for 2 million and let other people attempt to use it to gain a profit while I am out actually playing the game. It beats running to the market/ running back to the ae/ running to the vault/ running to the crafting table running back to the market.Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight
That's what AE tickets do all ready. If Rare salvage approaches the 4 mil inf per piece range then farming tickets for it becomes a viable strategy again. It is a safety valve of sorts.
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Quote:What I read in those posts is anger at being on the wrong side of deals. I don't agree that the minimum wage argument is comparable. The minimum wage argument is easily reduced to absurdity by just pointing out that if 7$ is good why not 10$ if 10$ why not 20$. Unless someone is a community organizer, reading from a prepared text being scrolled up in front of them, or just cynically pandering they rapidly see the problem.Originally Posted by Panzerwaffen
And you'd be wrong. Have you read any of the ignorant posts really advocating price caps? They're all about constraining the evil marketeers from taking advantage of the po' widdle 'casual' player through the market. Invariably, most of them end up being drive-by posts, where the original poster ends up running away as quickly as possible once forced to face actual logic and reason. Not that logic & reason have any effect on their thought process, just that being exposed to logic & reason causes a reaction similar to a vampire encountering garlic and holy water. Not much different than the folks in real life who think that raising the minimum wage to some arbitrary magic number will raise everyone's standard-of-living.
With a store in the equation you are in effect creating an alternate source of supply that would kick in if the primary price ever got too far out of whack. -
Quote:PLEASE DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THE JOYS OF CURRENCIES. But you are certainly correct merits and tickets are a nod in that direction.Originally Posted by EvilGeko
Well outside of purples and PvP recipes, don't merits fill that need now? So how can that be what they are asking for?
Why have eBay if you have Macy's ?Quote:Originally Posted by AgentMountaineer
What's the point of a market if you have stores for everything? This^^, in it's entirety, has fail written all over it.
Edit: And as Geko has already pointed out, there are still merits and tickets to get a vast majority of recipes. Sure it's mostly random, but guess what, there's a market where you can sell the unwanted randomness and buy the recipes you want. It isn't that hard at all to just run AE for tickets, roll randoms, craft said randoms, and reap profit. Anybody who can't or won't do this is an idiot.
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Can you get 8 people together for 5 minutes in IP ?
If so start the statesmans task force with them, let them go on their mery way and then farm the mission by your lonesome. You can achieve even greater efficiency by broadcasting on your servers/Badge/TF/etc channels that is exactly what you want to do. You can probably get at least a few people that will help you out getting the badge because they want it too. -
Quote:Here is something to wrinkle your noodle.Originally Posted by Blood Spectre
Sure, and that is actually a really good point. I guess we'll have to see how involved the process of wholly swapping sides is. Because if it is like, a whole arc or more that you have to run, it seems like it might be a huge waste of time to have to run back and forth all the time just so I can call myself a bad guy.
What happens to your stuff when you switch sides ?
All your stuff on the market/wents just evaporate ?
The stuff you have in the vault ?
The stuff you are carrying ?
The IOs you have slotted ?
Do they all just go poof ? Are they switched over ? Are they put in storage till you go back ?
Just think about it. After going rogue you might be forced to have 2 sets of builds, Hero Builds and Villain builds. -
Quote:Originally Posted by B_L_Angel
That would be very very bad. People would just stop listing expensive items on the market and start listing them on the boards. If you aren't on one of the high pop servers your ability to buy and price paid would be even worse.Quote:Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
Merge the markets, yes.
Price caps, not just no, but hell muther****ing NO!Quote:Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
This. Price caps would be EPICALLY stupid.Quote:Originally Posted by MindRipper
Merger Yes!!
Price Caps No!!
~MRYou have to love the Ebil ones ability not to hear, or rather hear one thing and run with it to extremes. Its also kind of funny how they shoot themselves in the feet with a Gatling Gun doing it. Id be willing to go out on a limb and say the people that are using the term price cap actually mean fixed price store similar to the ones they buy common recipes, SOs, DOs, and TOs at. People don't care what you sell your goods at, they just want to be able to buy at reasonable prices. (Well most don't Ebil is hardly confined to the marketeers)Quote:Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
This^^^. Heck, leading up to the price cap patch, I would just buy all the good stuff off the market for cheap, and then sell it exorbitantly on my server. Watch the supply of rare stuff disappear, as folks with the money hoard it all, and then dole it out at 10x the prior going rate. Demand sets the prices both on the CH, and off of it. -
Well seeing as the self professed altruists of the market haven't seen fit to help, I guess the man who takes a dim view of people gets to.
There are three factors that determine my use of tickets they may be able to help you use yours better.
1. How many tickets do I have ?
2. Am I willing to take a chance
3. How much time do I want to spend on the effort ?
If you take a look at the bronze rolls in the low level range there are a few good ones
Kismet +6
regen tissue +regen
steadfast +def
steadfast KB
2 basiliks gaze pieces
2 eradication pieces
Karma KB
Thats from a field of 149 so it would look like you have a about a 1 in 15 chance. The problem is its not a uniform distribution all except the steadfast and the karmas are rare and occur 1/5th as often the uncommons. So putting it another way you have a 20/745 chance of getting something good. So taking that and looking at the competition and making the completely wrong assumption you will get one once every 37.5 rolls and combing your salvage sale price of 3500/ticket. You need to male about 7.8 million off the rolls for it to be profitable.
Thats really not to likely and if someone argues that you can do it by crafting well you can just buy the recipes and craft them -
Quote:{{Shakes Head}}Originally Posted by brophog02
The sooner everyone realizes that metagame comes before role playing, the quicker any game moves forward. We could all pretend it won't happen and stick our heads in the sand and wait for inevitable, large scale 'nerfs' such as AE brought.
I don't know how much more proof ones needs than the last few years to realize people will look to exploit things, both in PvE and PvP. It only makes sense to expect and anticipate such things in designing a set.
Just for starters
Exploit
# use or manipulate to one's advantage; "He exploit the new taxation system"; "She knows how to work the system"; "he works his parents for sympathy"
# draw from; make good use of; "we must exploit the resources we are given wisely"
# overwork: work excessively hard; "he is exploiting the students"
# feat: a notable achievement; "he performed a great feat"; "the book was her finest effort"
There is nothing in the game that you aren't exploiting. Now that the destruction of english portion is taken care of, we can move on to you what you really meant. If people get this they would somehow have an unfair advantage over you, or some hypothetical other player. Well seeing as everyone has the same access to powersets this is rendered moot. Arguments of the form well I don't want to or its not my playstyle while true hardly give you the right to deny others.
So lets look at it again. You are potentially upset because instead of having to build 4 characters for farming people might be able to build only one. I can't take anything good away from that. You apparently want as little joy for the people that like to farm as possible and want the game made as unaccomodating as possible for them.
Brilliant.
Edit; And P.S. please dont try to make this about game breaking mechanics your referrence to farming in your initial post was pretty damn clear. -
And this was unexpected ??
Positron, aka Mr. The Empath badge is just fine, aka Mr. People demonstrating I am wrong just makes me just dig in my heals harder, was really going to reverse himself after "Players" managed to come up with overwhelming arguments about why a policy was wrong. Let alone the real life examples of the benefits of opening up markets. I really wish this wasn't so but after he went on the record and then hardened his position I really didn't expect anything else.
P.S. to everyone that recites the mantra the devs have the data and the datamining tools, its how you use it and what mindset you bring to it that counts. Just because you own a plane doesn't mean you can fly -
Quote:Originally Posted by maggotface
How wonderfully vague. I wonder if you have any more "sagely advice" for us? If you do, dont forget to add that if someone enjoys the game in a different way than you do, theyre doing it wrong.
Oh my oh my, The market forum, home of the if you don't using the market suffer attitude, the if you want another way way to acquire loot go kill a bajillion mobs manifesto taking this tone ? -
Quote:Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
And you'd still be wrong in this case. You seem determined to confuse server load with server population. Server load is how hard a server is working. All it takes is one player doing the wrong thing to send a server into the red.
LOL way to try and turn personal, the use of indirect indicators in lieu of direct measurement.
Well from the above you don't fit into that group of people.Quote:You asked a question and you didn't expect people to answer it correctly? -
Quote:I am not a leave a trail of breadcrumbs kind of guy, more of a walk up to you and bop you on the head with a mace kind of guy.Originally Posted by Sailboat
Well, it looks like a leading question, not a simple question. As has been pointed out above, a lot of posters have advanced this exact claim to start a rant or to promote a specific agenda ("give me my PLing back -- or the game dies!" for example).
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Quote:Originally Posted by stever
Nah....
Here's the thing . . .
It's NOT that you asked a simple question.
It IS that you asked the same-old-question that gets asked again and again over and over and over.
People get tired of the question and get a bit slap-happy and jump on it.
I admit that your way was calmer than some.
Sometimes people say:
Doom!!! No one on anymore!
Doom!!! Start merging servers!
Doom!!! CoX must be dying!!!
But, Panicky or calm. People just keep popping up with this question.
More often sometimes, like now as people are working harder at school, or other seasonal things.
But the question keeps popping up... almost once a month or so.
It never really seems to turn out to be based on whether pop really IS down or not.
Just every few weeks someone decides they can't get teams lately, or something like that, and again, someone rings the GamePop bell all over again!
There were people claiming CoX was doomed and dying 5 or 6 months after release. And someone seems to decide pop is down and we need another thread about it, every few weeks.
The game would have been dead and a long ago memory several times over in the last 5 years if all these 'dying gamepop' threads had been true.
Simple question, maybe . . . but one that repetition has rubbed people a bit raw and sensitive about over the years.
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LOL if I want to cry doom about something I'll just damn well do it. I have said things would be problems in the past and there is nothing more satisfying than having been right and being in a position where you can crow about it. -
Quote:LOLOriginally Posted by je_saist
maybe he only went to the AE building in AP or Cap?
Didn't realize a simple question would provoke the reactions this has. -
Uber
Apparently, AF has been away from posting here so he could spend time marinating in the broth of his own vitrol.
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Clearly this is your first time in this forum. If you had ever spent any time here you would know how overwhelmingly helpful the folks here are to anyone who wants advice on how to get rich. If you had spent any time here you would not even consider posting such accusatory, obnoxious statements. If you had spent any time here you would have taken the plentiful advice, made a load of influence, and bought any and all items you ever wanted. If you had ever spent any time here you would be giving a post such as yours the mockery and derision it so rightly deserves
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Looks over storage bin with 60 purples two purpled out toons and about 6 billion in liquid inf, Whatevah
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Goat translations
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It's a forum, a place where people post their opinions and other people respond. If you read this thread in its entirity, you'll have a good idea of where purples stand now and where involved marketeers think they're going. No careful observation needed, just basic literacy.
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Hmmm basic literacy
OP: purples are wonderful now best time EVAH
Others: They were cheaper once upon a time
OP Later: well maybe not as cheap as they once were
PVP IOs work like purples
Purples are going down so is housing (Don't see how these connect does someone live in houses made of purples ?)
Purples are racing to a bottom.
The bottom may not be where you think it is people are making more money.
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Of the above only one has any even a slightest bit of reasoning to it and heres a hint, its not the one comparing purples to the housing market.
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Telling people to read usually works
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None of the regulars here count as "random people". Most of us have been here since I9 and have a lengthy track record of public advice and predictions to be judged by. By and large, if you listen to any of our frequent posters you'll get good advice. And if their advice isn't good, it's sure to be corrected by some of our other frequent posters. As a group, the market forum regs are an excellent wealth-building resource for the average player (notwithstanding our public facade of eeeebil)
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We like ourselves.
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Yes I am.
I play the market as a mini game. Getting expensive stuff for less gives me a thrill. Sure, I have enough inf right now to 'brute force' the build I want for the Goat...but why should I, when I can wait a few more weeks and do it for much less?
My fire/rad had a couple of purple sets in base storage which I was too lazy to respec in. I picked them up for cheap quite a while back. When prices spiked during the MA frenzy, I dug them out and sold them for a truly ridiculous markup. I'm going to buy them back at some point in the future, likely for more than I paid originally but for vastly less than what I got for them.
That's fun for me. That's fun for anyone who approaches the market as its own little game, which quite a few of us here do.
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I really am Smeagol
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Again, the nature of this forum is self correcting.
Anyone trying a game like this will have it debunked within a few posts.
Who's said that?
And again, this forum is self correcting.
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Sixty-two thousand four hundred repetitions make one truth
62398 to go.
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Most of the regulars here are altruists who want everyone to make big piles of inf. Your motives may be as described in this post, but all us long time regs are here to help people with good advice.
None of us need more money. We have zero motivation to fleece visitors to our little corner of the forums.
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We like to have people playing our mini game because it validates our playstyles, its also fun to watch the less experienced try to do as well.
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And an aside my explicit advice was to enjoy your inf and use it in a manner that best enhances your current enjoymnet of the game. If that is trying to fleece people well its trying to fleece them into having as much fun as possible in the game. -
Quote:If I don't have a thermometer I can still say something is hot or cold just not what the accurate temperature is.Originally Posted by Ironblade
If you admit you already know this indicator doesn't indicate server population, why do you even bring it up?
Several went yellow during Double XP, whereas last Double XP event, some went red. However, there was a server upgrade in the interim. So, what comparisons and conclusions can we draw? NONE. Because we don't know how much the server capacity was increased.
I'm not going to address your personal perception of population, but please don't throw in useless information to try to support your position. -
Quote:LOL yes and people would queue up for Doctor Mengele's new HMO.Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Yeah cuz we all know that corporations are either paragons of virtue or vile festering pits of evil. Theres never any shades of gray for good people or questionable business practices, and bad people never have legitimate businesses. That's just not how the world works.
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Quote:Agree with most of that with the possible exception of 2 which I don't understand the reasoning behind and possibly the conclusion. Thank you for the well thought out response.Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
What you're seeing is likely the result of a concatenation of multiple things.
- A function of the new SSK functionality causing farmers to no longer require pads/fills to a team.
- An increase in the number of people using /hide due to the above reason.
- Player dispersal to other activities in-game (outside of AE).
- Player dispersal to other servers.
- Player dispersal to other games (either temporarily or permanently)
- A function of time of year (school)
- A function of time of day
- Some other stuff I'm brain-fart forgetting at the moment.
In short, I don't doubt you're noticing a difference in active population.
IMNSHO, it's a temporary dip that'll rectify itself. -
Quote:Oh Ya fa sureOriginally Posted by perwira
I have to agree, the original statement is nonsense. Within an ever-evolving MMO, careful observation and planning leads to positive results for the player.
[Raspberry noise]
Listening to people rave about how wonderful prices are now and how you should spend your money on purples because its the best time EVAH !!! is careful observation . Taking advice from random people that want to sell things is sound investment planning. Why I know a few people from First Investors (Remember them ?) that would love to talk to you at length about the value of mutual funds and how it just happens to turn out theirs are great.
But back to the original point. This is a game you play it to enjoy it. If you can purple out a toon and think you want to, too enjoy it more do it now. Unless you are playing the game to make a pile of inf and sit on it doing an impression of Smeagol you arent going to enjoy it any more in a month or two months and in the meantime you have had the use of your purples which oddly enough can get you more purples.
And if you want a little careful observation about MARKETS in general.
Here are some translations from market speak to English.
1. Now is the best time in the past N time units to buy. = I have a bunch of this and I would like people to take it off my hands.
2. The market is going in Direction x with no end in sight = I am doing the opposite of this and would prefer that you act like a sucker or at least not horn in on my action.
3. Would you look at how high X you can really make a bundle selling X = I would like to buy X and would appreciate it if as many people as possible would bust their rears making X more affordable for me.
4. You have a sense of entitlement = I have mine and you aint getting any of it. -
LOL I read this thread and had to think that there was a pump and dump scheme someplace that was short a few players.
Bottom line, unless you have enough inf that you are hard pressed coming up with ways to use it, it doesn't matter. If you need/want the purple and can buy it slot it and enjoy it. If not, well longterm investments in a video game are kind of foolish at best. -
This is purely anecdotal so please don't jump down my throat because I don't have sever snapshots for the last five years detailing max users and min users but the game seems quieter than normal. I have asked other people and they seem to be in agreement.
I first really started to notice it last dbl xp /free reactivation weekend when it seemed no one showed, but I wrote that off as being too much to soon of something that is no longer really needed. Now the Halloween event is on and I am seeing servers where there aren't enough people that can be gathered in zone to do the event let alone get it done in time. (No its not sour grapes my badger has managed it and has all 5 of the new badges). I also notice (and yes i know it just indicates utilization not absolute pop) that even freedom and virtue aren't even single yellow dotting lately.
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Quote:Perhaps this was you and perhaps it wasn't but I seem to recall someone loudly and repeatedly insisting that hover was just fine and continuously buttressing their argument by pointing at the devs decisions for hover and fly. That thread ended humorously when it turned out that the devs had re-evaluated their decision on fly.Originally Posted by Twisted Toon
Correct, IO sets and their bonuses are there to help characters deal with challenges. However, the devs decided that Mezes should be dealt with by using resistance and not protection. Except for KB, which doesn't really have a duration to mitigate, only a magnitude, which is why there are -KB enhancements and bonuses, and not KB resistance enhancements and bonuses. That one is more of a game mechanics issue.
You might consider investing in some Stun resistance if Longbow stuns are giving you that much trouble.
Now while I find myself agreeing with your position on this thread. I can't agree with the reasoning you are using to reach it. Especially since it has been wrong in the past. -
Quote:From beforeOriginally Posted by Panzerwaffen
So let me see if I understand this correctly. You are able to handle almost any enemy group in the game at x4, a setting which never existed prior to this issue, and which the devs have described as a setting for players that want a "challenge", and now you ask for the game mechanics to be changed to make it easier for you because of one enemy group?
Yep. Perfectly logical.
I wonder why ?Quote:I just have to say, this thread continues to be an apparently never-ending well of amusingly vapid -neg rep comments... I have gotten several lately on posts made weeks ago.
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Quote:Thats very impressive. Without being there you have managed to diagnose what went wrong and have it support your position despite all the evidence being contrary to that.Originally Posted by Blue_Mourning
It could have been a problem beyond just the mezzing. A dark should be able to keep the group in fear most if not all the time, keep their acc mostly floored, as long as the widow takes the alpha...or the MM...and why the heck were you having mez problems with a pain MM on the team? Enforced Morale is a PITA to cast constantly but the widow didn't need it, only you did, so buywew? And yes, buywew is a highly technical term. It means excessive confusion.
In all seriousness though, I can't think of too many enemies that particular team set up should have problems with even if everyone is just using an SO build or a generic IO build. Maybe it's that Longbow can be really tough, but I would like to reiterate that Longbow can be really tough for melee AT's with mez protection. Those auto hit? -res grenades that nullifiers throw at 40+ can get just nasty.
My point here is that your lack of success against this particular enemy group sounds like a build problem with someone in the group, or a team tactics issue rather than excessive mezzing.
If I'm wrong someone should speak up, but that's my take on it.
That's ,right Up there with the guy who in 2 years has never needed insps isn't aware that he is carrying them but tells people to use them to solve their problems even although he has no experience doing so.
Or the people on this thread that shout here about tools, then turn around and say use insps.
Just get past it the game has some tough spots they are there you get to live with them. If you don't want to deal with mez take a melee AT, or something with a Bubble. If you want some challenge but not more take a blaster. If you want something that has to work to deal with it and will suffer from it considerably more often take a controller defender and just be done.
Would It be nice to have a new class of IOs that provide mez protection for people that wanted it ? Sure but it would be mostly to laugh at people that wrecked their builds giving up things that were really useful to get something they didn't need at all.
Oh, and to the woman doing all the testing you are wasting your time honey. So I hope its fun for you.
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and a P.S. The market threads where someone gets up and proclaims how they have a lot of inf because they have basic values that no one else has and anyone who isnt happy about it are just leeching rabble have nothing on this thread. Thank you for the fine entertainment.