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Quote:Thanks for the thanksOriginally Posted by Profanation
Thank you for putting this together, and it does seem necessary at this point.
It is not that I think anyone that is confused is stupid, I just think the people that made things up to confuse people are stupid!Quote:Originally Posted by Profanation
So if you find people on the forums who are confused, it is not because they are stupid. It is because the Loyalty program appears to have determined the invitations for closed beta on DP, but not necessarily for the other things that were introduced side by side with Going Rogue.
Some people seem to have made things up that were never said just to confuse some people that just don't know better. I will not quote anything I've seen here so I don't confuse anyone myself, but look around you'll find some lol...
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Quote:I am just a concerned player that wants people to have the correct information. I am not saying I have all the answers and I never will since I am not a Dev, but I wanted to compile everything I knew as fact and also any speculation that made sense to me. Zombie Man has already proven one of my speculations wrong and I'm going to correct it now. I want people's input if they have valid changes or additions to my input.Originally Posted by BloodFairy
ah who are you?
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Quote:Thanks for this information ZM! From other posts I've seen you are a very knowlegable individual! If it is ok with you I would like to add your post Quoted in my above post!Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Correction:
The Dual Pistols Closed Beta did include the Loyalty, HeroCon, and Veteran rewards program. See here.
The Normal Process:
The normal way of going about Closed Beta is to invite players in waves. A too large number of people coming in right away creates problems:
1. The Test Server is not set up to handle the volume of all the other servers combined at once. (Note that the Dual Pistols Closed Beta had long queues to log in.)
2. Test code is often 'non-optimized' code. Meaning that it's rough and shaky and fragile. Too many people can cause lots of server hang ups.
3. Too many people at once all /bugging the same bugs creates wasted effort on the part of the player and with Quality Assurance trying to go through all the bug reports.
4. Getting initial feedback from thousands of players at once is overwhelming to the Devs. They just can't read all that feedback or respond. Thus, a representative sample of the player base starts off. Then every 2-7 days, a new wave gets invited in.
Who Gets In?
1. We generally don't know. The Devs don't tell us. In fact, they've specifically said they *won't* tell us. The reason they gave is that they don't want people 'farming' a specific behavior. E.g., if one of the criteria was "sent in over 50 /bug reports", then, given human nature, some players would send in 50 bogus /bug reports to guarantee themselves a spot in Closed Beta.
2. What do we know about who gets in?
Each time, a random sampling of players get in, including those who've never sent in a bug report, who've never been in Closed Beta before, or even ever been on the Test Server before! The Devs most definitely *do not* want to hear from the same exact group every time. Nor do they want to hear from only 'fanbois.' We've seen some of the most vocal critics of the Devs get into a Closed Beta early with actual forum posts saying, "How did *you* get in?!"
There were a few times when the Devs went on record about specific groups getting in to Closed Beta. In Issue 13 a large number of PvPers were invited into the first wave to test the PvP rebalancing. It was said their participation was... contentious. In Issue 14 a smaller number of PvPers were invited to the first waves for the continuation of PvP rebalancing. Issue 15 had an "Open Closed Beta" where anyone with a valid account could get in (basically, non-players couldn't read the Beta forums). And the Dual Pistols Closed Beta, as mentioned above, included the Loyalty and Veteran reward participants that will also be part of the Going Rogue Closed Beta.
Obviously, Issue 16 Closed Beta has gone back to the practice we've seen for Issues 8 - 14.
The small number that gets in the very first waves are usually those with a track record of producing quality in-game and forum feedback (as well as some random folks). These are people who will do things like run an arc every time it's updated to check that it's working right. These are people who don't say 'you suck!' when somethings not finished, they know that Closed Beta is work and they work. Those who don't, don't get invited back (so said Ghost Falcon).
The Devs have said of a few Closed Betas that 'friends and family' are the first wave. Namely, their particular friends, family, and business associates -- not players. This phase has been known to last almost a week to just half a day before the first wave of players get invited. Since the Devs do not say this about every Closed Beta, it should not be assumed that every Closed Beta begins with just friends and family.
Thanks again!
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Quote:I'm sorry to hear of your money troubles.Originally Posted by Tahquitz
I remember the days when Lighthouse had a simple fix for Beta speculation: if you ask devs to include you in closed beta in the public forums, you're blacklisted. (Okay, it was a joke... or was it?)
All the same, my sub ends tomorrow, and I'll miss out on the beta's anyway even though I wasn't a part of the loyalty program. I'll be in the no money boat myself.
I hope things turn around for you! BTW I think Lighthouse's rule you mention would be a good one lol. Good luck my friend!
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Quote:A logical deduction my friend. It is possible, but I think that is something they would make public seeing the GR closed beta is going to be pretty public. I'm sure they will announce when the loyalty program participants will start, but then again this is also my speculation so... You never know! Very inteligent deduction thoughOriginally Posted by PerfectStorm
One thing I can point out: I got into the DP closed beta - I only got my 48 month vet badge at the end of January... so, even if it did not include everyone that was part of the Loyalty program, it must have included some of us. If not everyone in the Loyalty program got into DP closed beta, maybe they are going to get into the DS closed beta ... but that is PURELY PERSONAL SPECULATION.
Storm I could see both ways.
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Quote:Thanks Chad. It is sad that some people need it, but hopefully it helps some that haven't been following the current state of affairs very close too. Not just the whiners that don't even know where they got their informationOriginally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
It's sad that this thread was actually required. But you wrote it well.
Be prepared to link it when somebody else comes along to complain that their loyalty badges/60 month vet status aren't letting them in to the closed beta.
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UPDATED 4-2-10: Attention all eager for open beta!
Many of you are noticing that the Test Server updater is not working as normal. I'm sure it would help the situation get sorted out more quickly by the devs if everyone not in the CB would stop trying to connect the servers to update when they have no need to at this time. Please be considerate and patient as this is going on. All of us will have the new shiny toys on live when they are ready!
Plus I want to mention that there are six threads all together towards the top of the Training Room Forums that are talking about the SAME THING! It's really starting to junk up this portion of the forums... Just saying. I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do, just suggesting. Hope all are well and remember the word PATIENCE! 
Message from Avatea http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...&postcount=192
Quote:Originally Posted by Avatea
All, I just wanted to let you know that we are not quite ready for Open Beta yet. We will be sure to let you know when we are, there certainly seems to be a few people on here who can't wait to get their hands on the new content and I don't blame them
In the meantime, thank you for your patience while our developers work hard (and don't take naps) at smoothing things out so you can experience Issue 17 in all its glory!
UPDATES ADDED OR CHANGED 3-10-2010 ARE NOTED AS SUCH.
Before anyone speculates the purpose of the following thread it is only here for information that is getting skewed by the public at the moment. I am in no way affiliated with NCsoft nor do I have any secret source of information. All of the following information has come from official announcements or specifically are marked as my speculations. Please do not take offense by this thread as it is for information purposes.
Since everyone seems to have a problem with understanding what is going on right now this should sum it up for you:
No one on these forums minus the Devs and those in the Closed Beta know what is in Closed Beta at this time. One could speculate all day on what you think it is about and what you think should be in it, but the fact of the matter is no one knows, or no one knows that CAN tell us. If you ask about CB as this point it means that you aren't going to get an answer you want. I want to know the same as the next guy or gal about closed beta, but the cold hard fact is that nobody knows that can tell.
Things I do KNOW about the Closed Beta:
-The closed beta that is current is not GR. GR is the entire expansion coming out in July 2010. The closed beta for GR will be later on but obviously will NOT include Dual Pistols or Demon Summoning since one is already available and the other will be in April to PRE-PURCHASE CUSTOMERS ONLY.
-The current Closed Beta does not use the Loyalty Program described here: http://www.cityofheroes.com/news/new..._and_thin.html
The official announcement states that only GR Closed Beta will use the Loyalty Program. No other Closed Beta was included in the description, which means no guaranteed Closed Beta access for anyone on the upcoming Issue 17.
My speculation was remove and replaced with Zombie Man Quote 3-10-2010
Words of wisdom from Zombie Man:
So it seems that DS closed beta will include the Loyalty Program if DP did. Don't get too excited yet though! According to this announcement: (http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=211335) Only the I17 closed beta seems to be starting right now. I have not seen where DS for sure is in this beta. I'm not saying it's not I'm just saying I have seen no proof. Please contact me with proof if you find out otherwise.Quote:Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Correction:
The Dual Pistols Closed Beta did include the Loyalty, HeroCon, and Veteran rewards program. See here.
The Normal Process:
The normal way of going about Closed Beta is to invite players in waves. A too large number of people coming in right away creates problems:
1. The Test Server is not set up to handle the volume of all the other servers combined at once. (Note that the Dual Pistols Closed Beta had long queues to log in.)
2. Test code is often 'non-optimized' code. Meaning that it's rough and shaky and fragile. Too many people can cause lots of server hang ups.
3. Too many people at once all /bugging the same bugs creates wasted effort on the part of the player and with Quality Assurance trying to go through all the bug reports.
4. Getting initial feedback from thousands of players at once is overwhelming to the Devs. They just can't read all that feedback or respond. Thus, a representative sample of the player base starts off. Then every 2-7 days, a new wave gets invited in.
Who Gets In?
1. We generally don't know. The Devs don't tell us. In fact, they've specifically said they *won't* tell us. The reason they gave is that they don't want people 'farming' a specific behavior. E.g., if one of the criteria was "sent in over 50 /bug reports", then, given human nature, some players would send in 50 bogus /bug reports to guarantee themselves a spot in Closed Beta.
2. What do we know about who gets in?
Each time, a random sampling of players get in, including those who've never sent in a bug report, who've never been in Closed Beta before, or even ever been on the Test Server before! The Devs most definitely *do not* want to hear from the same exact group every time. Nor do they want to hear from only 'fanbois.' We've seen some of the most vocal critics of the Devs get into a Closed Beta early with actual forum posts saying, "How did *you* get in?!"
There were a few times when the Devs went on record about specific groups getting in to Closed Beta. In Issue 13 a large number of PvPers were invited into the first wave to test the PvP rebalancing. It was said their participation was... contentious. In Issue 14 a smaller number of PvPers were invited to the first waves for the continuation of PvP rebalancing. Issue 15 had an "Open Closed Beta" where anyone with a valid account could get in (basically, non-players couldn't read the Beta forums). And the Dual Pistols Closed Beta, as mentioned above, included the Loyalty and Veteran reward participants that will also be part of the Going Rogue Closed Beta.
Obviously, Issue 16 Closed Beta has gone back to the practice we've seen for Issues 8 - 14.
The small number that gets in the very first waves are usually those with a track record of producing quality in-game and forum feedback (as well as some random folks). These are people who will do things like run an arc every time it's updated to check that it's working right. These are people who don't say 'you suck!' when somethings not finished, they know that Closed Beta is work and they work. Those who don't, don't get invited back (so said Ghost Falcon).
The Devs have said of a few Closed Betas that 'friends and family' are the first wave. Namely, their particular friends, family, and business associates -- not players. This phase has been known to last almost a week to just half a day before the first wave of players get invited. Since the Devs do not say this about every Closed Beta, it should not be assumed that every Closed Beta begins with just friends and family.
Other facts that I know are for sure correct about the current state of affairs:
-Ultra Mode is no longer part of the GR line up. The Devs stated that if they could they would get it out sooner, which meant that it was never considered and exclusive part of GR by them. Once again they don't owe you anything when they test this in Closed Beta. Loyalty Program does not apply here. Sorry people!
-This was changed as of 3-10-2010 due to confusion of the wording.
DS is not part of I17, but is said to be released at the same time as or around the same time as I17. When DS is released regardless of when it is released you have to have a PRE-PURCHASE code from GR to use it. I speculate that if you try to make a MM after the release of DS and DO NOT have a PRE-PURCHASE code that Demon Summoning will be grayed out in the power selections just like Dual Pistols was before the PRE-PURCHASE was available on March 2nd.
-There will NOT be an increase in your monthly fee for the game. It will be $15 a month still for CoH/CoV/GR. It is all inclusive. The only thing you are paying for is the expansion. That is all about that.
-There is a lot if whining and complaining about the PRE-PURCHASE of GR. Here is my conclusion on this taken from another post I posted, think of A, B, & C as your purchase options:
My take on this is if you have the money and you want to spend it on the game then do so. If money is tight, don't get on here and whine to everyone about it, just don't get the expansion. If my money was THAT tight I would probably not even pay the monthly subscription to play the game. Get a clue people and manage yo money smart! (Ok sorry had to throw a YO in thereQuote:A) Pre-Purchase and get early access to DP and DS... 4 months in advance for DP and 3 months in advance for DS... all for $30 (This DOES NOT include CoH/CoV. This is mainly for current players only. If you do not already have a retail serial for the regular game you can't use the serial from this expansion PRE-PURCHASE)
B) Buy Complete Edition at time of release and get a free month of game time and item pack included for $40. (Keep in mind that this also includes CoH & CoV. Any new player can buy the complete edition and not have to buy CoH/CoV seperate. On the same hand even people with the game currently can buy it and be fine, but new players will come out on top with this one as far as value.)
C) Do A but also buy the item pack for an extra $10 (Most likely)
So when it boils down to it you are paying $40 unless you just buy the base Expansion. This is not rocket science people! Pay $40 dollars and pick your perk: Early access to powers or Free month... )
So all this being said I hope that this clarifies some stuff for some people. Sorry if any of these parts sound like I'm irritated, but I am lol. I am not irritated at those that don't know, I am irritated for those that have just taken the Devs words and twisted them or have someone tell the answer with proof and they still say they want Dev clarification.
If you have not been following these events very closely, I hope this thread keeps you from having to post another thread with the same questions. (Like everyone else has been doing...) There have been far too many threads on the forums all asking the same quesitons a different way. I hope this thread severs it's purpose in telling you this information so you don't have to go start your own thread asking the same stuff everyone else has. (That's what the search feature is for anyway...)
If anyone would like me to try to further clarify something I have said I would be more than happy to try, but keep in mind, unless I add something on here I forgot about, I don't know much more than this. I don't have a magical source for information. Also, please let me know if you think there is something else I should include in this that has some HARD FACTS with proof not just a suggestion.
ADDED 3-11-10:
Please DO NOT post anything on this thread that will break the NDA. Another thread where someone wanted to prove something wrong posted something from the NDA. I ask for official links and info and he posted something that I WILL NOT discuss here, but please if you are in the CB DO NOT post on the PUBLIC threads information about the CB. I don't want you to jeopardize your chances at ever getting in one again. No argument is worth the consequences unless you suddenly just decide that you don't care. If so please don't do it to me or this thread. Thanks!
Quote:Originally Posted by Avatea: in Message Forum Rules and Guidelines14. Posting Sensitive Information covered by a Non-disclosure Agreement (NDA) or Beta Testing Agreement.
Please do not post any information on these boards that refers to or is information covered by a game’s NDA or any other NDA or is proprietary information of any party. Any information about a game or third party covered by an NDA or Beta Testing Agreement that is posted will be removed and the poster may be banned from the forum. Furthermore - if the post(s) is relating to an NCsoft game beta, the post(s) will be removed, and your account of the NCsoft beta of which you broke the Beta Testing Agreement may be closed.
Have a good day all!
P.S. If this thread helped you in any way please leave a comment! I would like to know I didn't type all this for nothing
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Quote:Insulted because you lack the logic to understand the simple FACTS everyone keeps telling you. Go cry somewhere else about having your feelings hurt or being insulted. If you don't want answers, then don't ask questions. If you don't want insulted then don't act dumb like you don't understand what everyone is saying.Originally Posted by Oubliette
I ask for hard facts, and what I'm getting is mainly insulting diatribes on what I should or should not expect. Uncalled for.
I love also how you edited this above post so it didn't have your original INSULT in it... Were you ashamed of yourself or something?
P.S. I believe the only person that insulted you was me... I could be wrong though.Quote:Originally Posted by Oubliette
Gee, since you put it that way, it all makes sense.
Trolls-B-Gone And that was only in that one post. I just got tired of your crap is all. I don't see how you can say that you are mainly getting insulting remarks when I was the only one that insulted you. You're the one that's making yourself look bad.
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Quote:Ok so I'm a troll because I tried to help you understand and so has everyone else on here. Is your definition of a troll anyone that doesn't have a REDNAME posting on your thread? Trolls don't give valid information. They just try to start fights.Originally Posted by Oubliette
Gee, since you put it that way, it all makes sense.
Trolls-B-Gone
What makes you so special that they would take time out of their busy schedules to just answer your thread? With all the people that have valid questions and truly don't have anyone to help them why would they help you? I would rather they work on the game than to waste time with you and your questions that already have answers from people experienced with the game. Everyone on here has tried to explain to you what is going on, but you aren't listening.
I'm starting to wonder if you've just been trolling all along... You aren't going to get what you want so keep posting if you want. All CB's participants are picked by the Devs minus the GR one or unless they announce otherwise. They have not announced otherwise and this isn't GR so... GET OVER IT AND PLAY THE GAME THAT YOU PAY TO PLAY! You will not find out otherwise! Have a good time looking for something you won't find! I'm done trying to make you see the truth and I hope no one else on here trys either. Your logic is ridiculous.
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Quote:One of my favorite parts of DP, other than the fact that I feel awesome playing itOriginally Posted by Hydrofoil_Zero
Er, Right. Anyhoo, I found the reference mentioning the elemental thing. It's from that Youtube keynote video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SItM3OLqb5w&feature=fvw
The relevant seen depicted here.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...nyKeynoteD.png , is the ammo switching! So this should be pretty awesome. I really wasn't that excited about it till you confirmed that Now I have another reason to make a new toon... *sigh* O well. I guess I will be buying more character slots soon anyway at the rate I make toons lol!
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Quote:Lol that would have saved Kheldarn some time lol!Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
That exact same problem has happened to me before on the live servers. If I remember correctly, I fixed the issue by moving CoHUpdater.exe to the desktop and running it from there. It then automatically put a corrected CoHUpdater.exe back in the install directory.
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Quote:Took the words right out of my mouthOriginally Posted by PerfectStorm
I see this kind of post a lot on forums. This is a player forum. Devs and other rednames can post here, but answers from other players are what you're going to get. Unfortunately, that will not give you the answers you want (as opposed to the answers you've already gotten - many of them quite good). People who have been here for a long time and seen many new issues have given you the answer. The devs are not going to tell you who will be in this closed beta nor are they going to tell you how long each "wave" is going to last.
For the most part, people HAVE been keeping this thread on topic... The topic is "Access to Ultramode Closed Beta".
If you want a ONLY redname answer, send a PM to a redname. Post on the forums, and you're going to get player answers.
Storm Give them back lol... So in other words you can ask this question as many times as you want and you will not get the answer you desire, although the answer you will get is truthful. Experienced players have told you how it works yet you will not listen cause they don't have a redname.
I agree that you should PM a redname if it is so important to you. If they don't answer how you like, or if they don't answer at all, then NO ONE WILL. Not everything we've said has been speculation. Especially not the cold hard facts that this is not GR beta so the Loyalty Program does not apply. You can bank on that. We have already provided proof of that with links. Sorry Oubliette, but if you want official answers then ask the officials.
I know a lot of what was said above was said by Perfect Storm but it ain't getting through your head so there it is again. lol
P.S. I have not had a lot of posts, but I have been a reader for awhile now. So don't let that throw you off. Some of my info is actually valid
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Quote:Who's silly? Not me..Originally Posted by Domino33
No, I don't mean my issue silly. :]
I mean in general, reading a few threads here.
For instance, "is this closed I17 beta? and does DS fall into that catagory? Who all is invited? What about the loyalty program?" <- (Not my questions.)
Not my issue, I figure my issue was my own computer's fault and I have no idea how to fix it lol. Sorry I misunderstood Most of the threads on The Test Server forums were sparked from people's speculations... Not form the devs or a lack of communication, but from people's speculation. Everyone is making assumptions and people that don't know better are believing that those people's assumptions should be true because they want them to be and then making their own threads with complaints that they can't do what they think they should be able to do.
From the posts I've made on the matter people are going to think I'm like in love with the Devs or something... BUT I just see from the Devs point of view how frustrating reading all the crap in the Training Room Forum could be right now. I probably wouldn't comment either! Plus thanks to the marketing department they can't tell us what they want to tell us, when they want to tell us.
Plus I don't think they HAVE to tell us what's in CB. Only the people in CB really have to know anyway right? What if they told us and then they took out one of the features cause it didn't fly? Everyone would be mad then too... O well... Can't make them all happy!
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Quote:No offense but how is this disorganized? It could be a computer issue on your end. Even if you have a brand new top of the line computer write errors can still occur. These types of errors can break the install of a program and require a reinstall. I've seen it a lot where I work as I am the IT there. It may have nothing to do with the Test Server or the patch at all. Plus the patch has been out since yesterday... Don't go dooming them already!Originally Posted by Domino33
Yea, I'm not complaining so don't get me wrong but this seems to be the most disorganized closed beta they have done as far as I have seen : [
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Quote:Originally Posted by Astroburn
I'm just hoping that Ultra-Mode runs on my comp. I can run CoH currently on max settings with little to no lag even in full groups.. so hopefully Ultra-Mode will run for me..Also keep in mind that the graphics card isn't the only place you get performance. The processor, memory, and HDD speed will also help in COH's performance. Posi says that in that thread, but just a friendly reminder. The biggest bottle neck on my PC is the HDD's even though they are still blazing fast. I'm just not ready to upgrade to SSDs yet. Maybe when the next HDD technology comes out I will get SSDs much less in priceQuote:Originally Posted by Back_Blast
Well I've no idea of your specs but this thread:http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=200245 should give you a decent idea of how it will work for you. At least based on what is publicly known.
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There is no reason to read every page of this thread. To sum up this thread for those that have just joined us:
Post 1: Here is the Uber guide of RPing from a really modest person
Post 47: I hate brackets and everyone that uses them
Post 121: Can't we all get along? *under his/her breath* "Insert Explicit Name here"...
Post 147: ((I hate you if you hate brackets.))
Post 227: What was this thread about again?
Post 228: ((RPing))
Post 229: What is RPing?
Post 230: ((See Post #1)) *under his/her breath* "Insert Explicit Name here"...
The real meat to be found here is the first post, in case you lost that in the above summery. The majority of the rest of the thread is just people mad at each other... Normal forum behavior nowadays... Good job on the guide though! Very well explained!
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Quote:Thanks for the clarification! Be careful mintmiki!Originally Posted by Necronous
Since I sense an incoming semanics debate, here's the best answer:
Yes it is against the NDA to say you're in beta and he can indeed be removed from beta for posting that he's in beta.
But since I'm going to bring semantics into this, theres technically not an NDA for closed beta. An NDA is technically a signed agreement that is reached BEFORE accessing a beta and is legally and contractually binding. For these closed beta's players are selected in some random/semi-random fashion and are given access to content and are only presented with a set of rules AFTER accessing beta.
It's a subtle difference, but the major things gained from this is:
A) Its not a binding agreement (thats irrelevant to this answer)
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Quote:Is it against the NDA to say you're in it? I thought it was just if you told people what was in it. Since I've only been in one closed beta before I don't know what applies for all.Originally Posted by Gerad_Gantert
Assuming this is true, you just cost yourself a spot in closed beta. Good job!
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Quote:Congrats to you mintmiki! See that's the kind of people we need in betasOriginally Posted by mintmiki
I was invited to closed beta for reasons that are pretty much a mystery to me.
My best guess would be that I play CoH on a low-end mac and have been pretty vocal about game-killing bugs that plagued the mac version last fall. With each issue, I fear that my little mac that could will no longer be able to run CoH, and I don't have the funds to buy a new puter.
Therefore, I'm grateful every time I'm able to continue to run new issues on the test server.
Btw, Coh still runs fine on my unsupported mac. So GMA950 Graphics users REJOICE!
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Quote:Keep in mind my friend that just because the patch was put up yesterday does not mean that the closed beta started yesterday. I'm sure it did for the devs, but that doesn't mean it did for anyone else. Also, like said many time before CB usually goes in waves, just because you are not in the first wave doesn't mean you won't be in another. So it's still possible! There is still hope friendsOriginally Posted by Impish Kat
So, yes, there was some initial disappointment when I didn't get into the Closed Beta. But I accept that since it's part of i17 now, well, that's just the way the ol' ball bounces.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Astroburn
I think the problem with people wanting into this Closed Beta comes from the confusion over the fact that Ultra Mode, Demon Summoning and Dual Pistols were all supposed to be part of Going Rogue. GR had very clear written criteria for being in the closed beta. Now Dual Pistols has already been tested.. now they're testing Ultra Mode AND Demon Summoning, which is part of GR, which people thought they'd get a chance to be part of the Closed Beta for.
Is it nice that we're getting these things early-ish(only if you pre-order GR in the case of the two power sets)? Sure.. but being closed beta testers was something people were sure they would be for these things.
But.. it's the interwebs.. people always want more.. and complain when they don't get it.
I think things would settle down if a Dev would just come out and say if the GR Beta Testers would get in on this Closed Beta or not.. Of course then people would complain about that then..
You are sadly right my friend. Someone would be upset regardless of the outcome, it would just be a different set of people or even the same ones. Not much you can do to please everyone, but pleasing the masses is a different story
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Ya good advice if you want in another closed beta, if you get chosen for this one or any other one, would be to bug the heck out of them with bug reports! (hehe bug with bugs...) Not with the same bug report, but with different ones. Those people are the ones that they most likely pick more often, the ones that give good feedback! I am honestly not sure I would be good at testing or not, but I would try I thought I've done a decent job on other betas (non-COH related). It's fun sometimes, but sometimes you just want to play the game lol.
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Quote:And then you STILL don't get access to them unless you buy GROriginally Posted by Kheldarn
Yes, they ARE a part of GR. However, EARLY ACCESS is given if you Pre-Purchase GR. Dual Pistols was made available on 3/3/10, and Demon Summoning will be made available with the release of I17, IF you Pre-Purchased.
If you do NOT Pre-Purchase, you will HAVE to wait until July to have access to Dual Pistols and Demon Summoning. lol
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Quote:It would, you are correct. There would be nothing wrong with a Dev coming on here and confirming and I'm sure someone will say something eventually, but until then I am going by what I read originally on the Loyalty Program announcement. GR CB only. If they want to change that to include i17 CB then fine by me, but if not I ain't losing sleep over it like some people above seem to have done lolOriginally Posted by Back_Blast
Well a statement from them would end the speculation and such and clarify that "Yes Loyalty folks will get in the CB at some point." or "No, we're using our usual unspecified criteria. See you all in Open Beta." I think if most of the people that want in, got in, we would have a pretty crappy product in the end lol.
Beta tester that just wanted to TRY the product: "Well I don't like UM cause there are bugs in it blah blah blah...."
Dev: "Well what are the bugs you're having?"
Beta tester that just wanted to TRY the product: "It sucks"
Dev: "..." *Dev checks the persons name and puts them on the NEVER BE PUT IN CLOSED BETA AGAIN list*
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Quote:DS was not made part of i17 and it never will be part of i17. DS is still part of GR. Although DS will be available around the same time, if not the same time, as i17 and may even be tested at the same time, it is still not part of i17. You will still have to have a pre-purchase serial code from GR to access it or it will just be grayed out after it goes live.Originally Posted by Back_Blast
The confusion over I17 and Loyalty folks I think stems from the fact they moved UM and DS into I17 from GR. Thus some feel they should have special access to I17 since it now contains what was GR material. I got into the DP beta but I don't honestly know if that was due to the Loyalty deal or if I just got lucky. I don't recall if anything was ever stated about it's criteria. But I like many others am not in this CB, at least not yet and maybe not at all. But I'm not sweating it either. I just got my new rig going and I'm having fun on Live so I'm coping just fine. But I see no real problem with a Dev clarification here just to set matters straight. It would certainly put a lot of the speculation and such to rest.
Soon after UM was announced Posi (or another dev... I can't remember) said that they would try to get UM out before GR if they could, which means it IS NOT an exclusive to GR. This means when they test UM they do not have to go by the Loyalty Program.
This part from here on is only hypothetical so take it that way please:
It is my guess that DP and DS, being only a part of GR and not the biggest part of what GR has to offer and the fact that they wanted us to have early access, were given their own release and beta separate from GR in order to achieve the quick turn around on these powers to the public.
If they had gone by the Loyalty system to test DP, we would still be testing it, or they would have all of the Loyalty members in there at the same time and then the people in tier one would be on here griping about that.
I know everyone wants in, but stop giving false hope to those that haven't been paying attention to what the devs have been saying. And to people trying to twist the devs words STOP! It will more than likely make them NOT want you in the beta. They aren't looking for people that want in the beta to TRY out the new stuff, they want people that want to TEST out the new stuff.
P.S. I'm not bashing you Back_Blast so don't think that please lol