Zacharias_NA

As fine as a cause that sounds like, it's not a reason that inspires us to practice. Showing up to practice became a grind to us. We had fun practicing when we were there and in matches, but the motivation wasn't there from many of us.

It's a chicken and the egg predicament. If we practiced more, we'd be more visible and might draw more interest. If there were more team variety where we didn't have to schedule set days/times with teams like yours and just showed up (like pre-I13) and grabbed one of the 5 or 6 other teams on Test, we'd probably be more energized to practice/play.

You may have a point, but it's not something that motivates us to say 'hey, let's show up and practice' on a Wednesday night. You should show up on Test because you want to be there and have fun- not because you're scheduled to be there according to your locked in weekly practice contract.




I think most of us who still read the forums will read your post. It was worth saying. I'm not sure what our subscription statuses are, but I think there would be a fair chance we'd come back (in some incarnation) if 2 or 3 teams did form up.

We had fun when we played. But, we just became extremely apathetic over the forced routines of a 3 team ladder. When we talked about it, we really didn't see any signs of the community getting even remotely close to a 5 or 6 team ladder.


That's more or less what we were feeling about things after our cancelled official with dUmb.

Yes. Do it now.

Peril has a killer crush on Oprah. He'll of course deny it, but he has a 10 foot poster (width, that is) with her autograph on it.


Maybe we'll be able to start practicing in a week.

Depending on how you implement that, that's fine. In reality, a PvE trial or TF shouldn't be tied to PvP. Likewise, nobody should be forced to complete a PvE trial in order to enjoy PvP.

If you want to bring this back as a purely PvE experience, that is fine. Posting it in the PvP section is virtually a slap in the face to people you have alienated non-stop since I13 (and most likely before, but I13 was the worst).

Once again, Ghost Falcon, you Devs show your ignorance over who gravitates to which content. The majority of people who post in this section are arena and zone enthusiasts. These people may take part in base raids too, but many of the raids back in the day were by active PvE enthusiasts that were obsessed with:

1. SG Recruiting
2. Badging/base building
3. Accumulating massive amounts of prestige (for #1 and #2)

Honestly, the base raids geared more to the 'casual' PvPer that you guys were so fired up to appease with the collective brain fart that you call Issue 13. In essence, you probably killed off more 'casual' PvPers by eliminating an environment where a katana/inv scrapper and a force field defender could flourish.

It was much easier talking a PvE friend into a base raiding environment than it was to talk them into Friday Night Fights on Triumph by a PvPEC rep or trying to get them to join an RV scrum and getting AS'd by an opponent that they cannot detect or understand how to negate.



The fact is, it's never really been actively worked on. You struggle to put out variable level 50+ PvE content. Am I really to believe that you would spend time on PvP when you can't even satisfy your PvE masses? Of course not. The closest thing I could ever hope for is that you realize how ridiculous your I13 changes were and revisit I12 with a few smaller changes. And, even with that, I won't be holding my breath. You have shown time and again that you are slow to admit mistakes if you do at all.

Admitting a mistake is not a sign of weakness. It's a sign of strength. It allows people here to realize that they have a voice and that their opinions as customers matter. And, it's posts like yours that continue validate and perpetuate the beliefs that you do not value the PvP segment as customers and are essentially daring us to get fed up and walk away.

So, this is why you get backlash every time you venture into a PvP thread. You feel alienated and ostracized every time a red name feels compelled to post. It's the same feeling we feel every time we submit a public post or a long PM asking for certain things to be changed to make our PvP more enjoyable and make it so that we can have more variety.

Everyone mocks us for finding the most viable archtype/power combinations to achieve a desired PvP level. Most of us want other ATs to join the fray because almost all of us have toons that we enjoyed playing that are not PvP viable. Ask any PvPer about the toons they've enjoyed, and you'll probably get stories of a fire/fire tank, spines/DA scrapper, an ice/storm controller, or a dark/dark defender.

Maybe we'd cut you some slack if you'd make an active attempt to listen to us and help give us reasons to stay customers of yours. And, maybe we'd send the word to our friends that this CoH game has the best PvP (fat chance, but one could dream) of any MMO and we'd all refer them.

This will probably fall on deaf ears like most of what we have to say.

Try working with us sometime, Ghost Falcon, and maybe we'd bend over backwards to try to get you a better PvP system instead of just lashing out in anger at you.

Wait... PF was blasting Wednesday?

Sorry your thread got trashed, Steatoda.

I say those words every match...

Either that, or War Witch has a killer crush on Peril and cyber-stalks him...

I thought this was already the standard MO...

lol... that's an awesome quote.

But, is it live from his Pockets of D performance?

That's why you use Freedom as a back up as Jimmay/Miss/Whoever is B_Witched suggested.

Test is great for:

1. No limit builds. This is especially good for any D6ers migrating over to a Ladder and being able to learn other roles. As such, players get to experience diversity.

2. Better performance. Freedom can be nightmarish with server lag.

3. All toons on all servers are in play. My main server is Triumph and most of my PvE friends are on Triumph. While I'm sure a PvP team would take the time to help level and accolade, it's often easier for me just to get on with people who are already running TFs or running AV missions.

I agree with Vinnie. I think the pros of Test outweigh the cons. And, you (and others) are 100% right on the cons. I just think the pros more than make up for it.

Just my 2 cents. But, I defer those with greater PvP/arena/Ladder knowledge, as always.

A truer paragraph has never been posted.

Thanks, Dex. You guys had a great run as well.

This change almost makes me want to attend a Raid as a debuffer...

rpvp.guildportal.com has Silit and Vinnie's eloquent summaries of D8 matches. You can see who ran what there.

What's the problem with this? Why can't I bide my time and learn from practice? I've learned a lot from Silit, Klesk, Vinnie, Hoj and March. I'm not nearly good enough to replace any of them, but that's ok. I'm happy enough to practice and learn how to play up to their level. If you limit the regulars to even 10, there's a good chance that people on the bench will have to play at least spot duty.


If playing is that big of deal to someone, you could easily have someone become a 'free agent' or whatever if they think they should be playing. Eligibility could be something as simple as the team letting the player go or that player being 'benched' for two officials. And, knowing the D6ers now gives both the inexperienced PvPer and the ladder veterans a better understanding of everyone. The problem with playing/sitting comes in when the player and the team leadership don't see eye to eye on their expectations for each other. It would be ridiculous for me to come in and expect to start over Silit or March.

I may not be a good player, but I try to show up to practice and do my best. And, I'm there for D8 if they ever need someone to fill. I may suck, but I can lock on most targets and at least have a little bit of a clue on evading. And, I'm cool with that. I have fun practicing and get better each time I get regular practices.


I'd definitely love to keep learning from my team- even if that meant that I wouldn't see a single official. Maybe I'm in the minority with that, but I'm sure there are some people playing D6 right now that feel the way I do.

I'd definitely love to join a 8v8 ladder team, even if it means being a practice only player.

This is a great point and any future discussions on a potential season two should be centered around this.

They played the same thing against U2BG. And, Kat admitted as much- they were playing for a tie. And, despite whatever adjective you want to describe it- it's perfectly legal. If you don't think that you can beat the other team, why not play for the tie and get the extra points?

It may not be how you or I would play it, but I can certainly see the train of thought behind it.