Ill/Kin build?


Cag

 

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Hey all, just looking for a good Ill/Kin build... Seems like searching has been fruitless as even googled searches for a decent build are pre-inherent fitness.

I know I should have one of my own, but everytime I sit down to start working on it, I go cross-eyed.

Anyone out there able to help with something to at least look at?


 

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Whats your price range?


 

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500 mill or so I suppose... have a few 50's so can farm more if need be


 

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Originally Posted by hzqrxl View Post
500 mill or so I suppose... have a few 50's so can farm more if need be
Are you looking for prema PA? Because if you are, 500 mil will barely buy the five LoTG+recharges you will need. And 'decent' is kinda one of those words that means different things to different people. Imean, I could whip up a build with near-prema PA that would likely cost about 3B... which others on the forum would say was full of 'suck'. Alot of choices aren't wrong or right, just personal likes or style.

And that is from someone who still likes to play their ice/kin troller, even if everyone else thinks their 50th lvl damages sucks. Which I'm afraid it does, but she was one of my safest toons even as I leveled her up. In fact, I think my shield tank died more then she did in play before 50th.


/Empaths can turn three people into Jesus, one person into God, and everyone else into the twelve apostles.~Angry_Citizen

Don't you know that discussion of power selection/slotting can ONLY be based on hearsay, rumor, idle speculation, and bald-faced lies??!? ~Elf_Sniper

 

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No worries, wasn't really looking for all the answers, but I do like to see builds that others have made so that I can learn from them. I was rather hoping that I could see a few examples of builds that others thought were successful so that I could have some decent direction.

Trust me, I've read a few of these threads and have seen how people want all the easy answers. These powersets are just confusing to me for some reason, hehehe.


 

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So I read some guides and kinda came up with this... am I on the right path? or totally off base?

Any advice is appreciated!

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.96
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MyTestDude: Level 50 Magic Controller
Primary Power Set: Illusion Control
Secondary Power Set: Kinetics
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Primal Forces Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Blind

  • (A) Lockdown - Accuracy/Hold
  • (3) Lockdown - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (11) Lockdown - Recharge/Hold
  • (31) Lockdown - Endurance/Recharge/Hold
  • (37) Lockdown - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge/Hold
  • (40) Lockdown - Chance for +2 Mag Hold
Level 1: Transfusion
  • (A) Touch of the Nictus - Healing
  • (3) Touch of the Nictus - Heal/HitPoints/Regeneration/Recharge
  • (5) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Healing
  • (15) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Endurance/Heal/HitPoints/Regeneration
  • (40) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
Level 2: Spectral Wounds
  • (A) Decimation - Accuracy/Damage
  • (5) Decimation - Damage/Endurance
  • (7) Decimation - Damage/Recharge
  • (17) Decimation - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
  • (31) Decimation - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
Level 4: Hasten
  • (A) Recharge Reduction IO
  • (7) Recharge Reduction IO
  • (40) Recharge Reduction IO
Level 6: Siphon Power
  • (A) Accuracy IO
  • (25) Accuracy IO
  • (42) Recharge Reduction IO
Level 8: Deceive
  • (A) Malaise's Illusions - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (9) Malaise's Illusions - Endurance/Confused
  • (9) Malaise's Illusions - Accuracy/Endurance
  • (33) Malaise's Illusions - Confused/Range
  • (50) Malaise's Illusions - Accuracy/Confused/Recharge
Level 10: Fly
  • (A) Flight Speed IO
Level 12: Siphon Speed
  • (A) Accuracy IO
  • (13) Accuracy IO
  • (13) Recharge Reduction IO
  • (15) Recharge Reduction IO
Level 14: Flash
  • (A) Lockdown - Accuracy/Hold
  • (17) Lockdown - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge/Hold
  • (42) Lockdown - Endurance/Recharge/Hold
  • (43) Lockdown - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (43) Lockdown - Chance for +2 Mag Hold
Level 16: Increase Density
  • (A) Resist Damage IO
  • (43) Resist Damage IO
Level 18: Phantom Army
  • (A) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (19) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage
  • (21) Expedient Reinforcement - Damage/Endurance
  • (21) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (23) Expedient Reinforcement - Endurance/Damage/Recharge
  • (25) Soulbound Allegiance - Chance for Build Up
Level 20: Speed Boost
  • (A) Endurance Modification IO
  • (23) Endurance Modification IO
Level 22: Hover
  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
  • (46) Endurance Reduction IO
Level 24: Maneuvers
  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
Level 26: Spectral Terror
  • (A) Glimpse of the Abyss - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (27) Glimpse of the Abyss - Endurance/Fear
  • (27) Glimpse of the Abyss - Fear/Range
  • (29) Glimpse of the Abyss - Accuracy/Fear/Recharge
  • (31) Glimpse of the Abyss - Chance of Damage(Psionic)
Level 28: Superior Invisibility
  • (A) Karma - Knockback Protection
  • (29) Endurance Reduction IO
  • (46) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
Level 30: Tactics
  • (A) Endurance Reduction IO
  • (33) Endurance Reduction IO
  • (36) To Hit Buff IO
Level 32: Phantasm
  • (A) Soulbound Allegiance - Damage
  • (33) Soulbound Allegiance - Damage/Recharge
  • (34) Soulbound Allegiance - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (34) Soulbound Allegiance - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (34) Soulbound Allegiance - Damage/Endurance
  • (36) Expedient Reinforcement - Resist Bonus Aura for Pets
Level 35: Transference
  • (A) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod
  • (36) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Recharge
  • (37) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Accuracy/Recharge
  • (37) Efficacy Adaptor - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (39) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Accuracy
  • (48) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Endurance
Level 38: Fulcrum Shift
  • (A) Accuracy IO
  • (39) Accuracy IO
  • (39) Recharge Reduction IO
  • (50) Recharge Reduction IO
Level 41: Conserve Power
  • (A) Recharge Reduction IO
  • (42) Recharge Reduction IO
Level 44: Power Blast
  • (A) Apocalypse - Damage
  • (45) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge
  • (45) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (45) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (46) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance
Level 47: Power Boost
  • (A) Recharge Reduction IO
  • (48) Recharge Reduction IO
  • (48) Recharge Reduction IO
Level 49: Vengeance
  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
Level 1: Brawl
  • (A) Empty
Level 1: Containment
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash
  • (A) Empty
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide
  • (A) Empty
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick
  • (A) Empty
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush
  • (A) Empty
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge
  • (A) Empty
Level 1: Sprint
  • (A) Empty
Level 2: Rest
  • (A) Interrupt Reduction IO
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift
  • (A) Run Speed IO
Level 2: Health
  • (A) Healing IO
Level 2: Hurdle
  • (A) Jumping IO
Level 2: Stamina
  • (A) Endurance Modification IO
  • (11) Endurance Modification IO
  • (19) Endurance Modification IO
  • (50) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
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Here is my try, but I must warn you I have no experience with playing a Illusion toon. Most of that side, I got from a build from a few threads back from Local Man. As to price, I'm afraid its about 3 billion plus change but that's a rough guess on my part. But there are a few things I'm not sure about, since I'm not a number guy.

1. The sixth slot on Spectral Wounds. My choice was more a default then anything else since the six set bonus isn't all that great and with FS, not sure if you need the proc build-up.

2. Inertial Reduction - its a cheap travel power, but you could skip it with just NR and SB.

3. The Psionic Mastery Set - I won't hide I like this set, due to Indomitable Will (mez protection), and Mind over Body. I went with Mental Blast for a single attack, with the Centriole Exposure bring its range to 120, with its -37 to recharge on target (if it stacks with Siphon Speed, we're taking -57% to targeted foe's recharge).

4. Repel - Ok, wasn't sure what to stick at 49th level. Wasn't alot of good choices left, so I decided to experiment with the Force Feedback proc/chance for +recharge. But I've never used this power, so not sure about it beyond some vague things I remember reading on forums. So again, you may want to find a number guy to tell you more about if Mag 10 KB will be worth the heavy endurance cost you get with each use (which the end-reduction won't help with if I remember right). But then, you got Transference every 9 seconds and its pretty funny to me to have guys trying to hit you add to your recharge (when the proc goes off).

But there you go, and as for builds... this one went together with a rare easy, I didn't have to fix anything when I checked for any capping. I hope you like it...

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.96
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MrTry.Try.Again: Level 50 Magic Controller
Primary Power Set: Illusion Control
Secondary Power Set: Kinetics
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Psionic Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Blind -- SWotController-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear(A), SWotController-Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/Rchg(3), SWotController-EndRdx/Rchg(7), SWotController-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/EndRdx(13), SWotController-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/EndRdx/Rchg(34), SWotController-Rchg/Dmg%(36)
Level 1: Transfusion -- Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(A), Acc-I(5), Dct'dW-Heal(11), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(27), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(29), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(31)
Level 2: Spectral Wounds -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(5), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(27), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(29), HO:Centri(39)
Level 4: Siphon Power -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(43)
Level 6: Deceive -- CoPers-Conf(A), CoPers-Conf/Rchg(7), CoPers-Acc/Conf/Rchg(13), CoPers-Acc/Rchg(34), CoPers-Conf/EndRdx(37), CoPers-Conf%(43)
Level 8: Superior Invisibility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(15), LkGmblr-EndRdx/Rchg(43), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 10: Siphon Speed -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(11)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(25), RechRdx-I(42)
Level 14: Hover -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(15)
Level 16: Increase Density -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/EndRdx(A), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(17), S'fstPrt-ResKB(17)
Level 18: Phantom Army -- ExRmnt-Acc/Rchg(A), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg(19), ExRmnt-Dmg/EndRdx(19), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(21), S'bndAl-Dmg/Rchg(23), S'bndAl-Build%(25)
Level 20: Speed Boost -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(21)
Level 22: Flash -- BasGaze-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(A), BasGaze-Acc/Rchg(23), BasGaze-Rchg/Hold(40), BasGaze-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(40), EoCur-Acc/Hold/Rchg(40)
Level 24: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(31)
Level 26: Spectral Terror -- Acc-I(A), N'mare-Acc/EndRdx(37)
Level 28: Inertial Reduction -- Winter-ResSlow(A)
Level 30: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(31), LkGmblr-Def(37), LkGmblr-EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 32: Phantasm -- ExRmnt-Acc/Rchg(A), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg(33), ExRmnt-Dmg/EndRdx(33), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), ExRmnt-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(34), FrcFbk-Rchg/EndRdx(46)
Level 35: Transference -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(36), EndMod-I(36)
Level 38: Fulcrum Shift -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(39), RechRdx-I(39)
Level 41: Indomitable Will -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), RechRdx-I(42), RechRdx-I(42)
Level 44: Mental Blast -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(45), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(45), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(45), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(46), HO:Centri(46)
Level 47: Mind Over Body -- HO:Ribo(A), HO:Ribo(48), HO:Ribo(48)
Level 49: Repel -- FrcFbk-Rechg%(A), KBDist-I(50), EndRdx-I(50)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Containment
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- EndMod-I(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(9)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), EndMod-I(9)
Level 50: Agility Radial Paragon
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/Empaths can turn three people into Jesus, one person into God, and everyone else into the twelve apostles.~Angry_Citizen

Don't you know that discussion of power selection/slotting can ONLY be based on hearsay, rumor, idle speculation, and bald-faced lies??!? ~Elf_Sniper

 

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Here's a build that will go quite a bit more than that 500 mil budget. It has Perma-PA with only one Siphon Speed. It has S/L Defense of about 36% -- could be a little more with Maneuvers, but I wanted to fit in Recall Friend. You could add the purple Hold set. You could replace Afterburner with Maneuvers or GI.

I like Fly for this character to stay just over the battle, out of melee but still close enough to use the Kinetics buffs. By flying overhead, you might be able to encourage Phanty to use his knockback as Knockdown. (One option might be to use an Overwhelming Force KB-to-KD in Phanty -- but I don't know if that will work.)

Anyway, here's an Ill/Kin build to look at:

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Ill-Kin: Level 50 Science Controller
Primary Power Set: Illusion Control
Secondary Power Set: Kinetics
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Teleportation
Ancillary Pool: Ice Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Blind -- BasGaze-Acc/Hold(A), BasGaze-Acc/Rchg(3), BasGaze-Rchg/Hold(7), BasGaze-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(17), HO:Nucle(27), Dmg-I(43)
Level 1: Transfusion -- Nictus-Heal/HP/Regen/Rchg(A), Nictus-Acc/Heal(7), Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Heal/HP/Regen(17), Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(23), Nictus-%Dam(31)
Level 2: Spectral Wounds -- Decim-Build%(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(5), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), HO:Nucle(40)
Level 4: Deceive -- CoPers-Conf/Rchg(A), CoPers-Acc/Conf/Rchg(9), CoPers-Acc/Rchg(23), CoPers-Conf/EndRdx(25), CoPers-Conf%(31)
Level 6: Siphon Power -- Acc-I(A)
Level 8: Superior Invisibility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(9), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(15), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(25), RedFtn-Def(31), RedFtn-EndRdx(46)
Level 10: Siphon Speed -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(11), RechRdx-I(11), RechRdx-I(29)
Level 12: Fly -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 14: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(15)
Level 16: Increase Density -- S'fstPrt-ResKB(A), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(40)
Level 18: Phantom Army -- ExRmnt-Acc/Rchg(A), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg(19), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(19), ExRmnt-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(21), S'bndAl-Dmg/Rchg(21), S'bndAl-Build%(34)
Level 20: Speed Boost -- EndMod-I(A)
Level 22: Hover -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 24: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), Krma-ResKB(46)
Level 26: Spectral Terror -- WotController-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear(A), WotController-Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/Rchg(29), WotController-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/EndRdx(37), WotController-Acc/Conf/Hold/Immob/Sleep/Stun/Fear/EndRdx/Rchg(40), WotController-Rchg/Dam%(42)
Level 28: Afterburner -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 30: Recall Friend -- Zephyr-ResKB(A)
Level 32: Phantasm -- ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg(33), ExRmnt-Dmg/EndRdx(33), ExRmnt-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(33), ExRmnt-Acc/Rchg(34)
Level 35: Transference -- Efficacy-EndMod(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(36), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(36), Efficacy-Acc/Rchg(36), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(37), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx(37)
Level 38: Fulcrum Shift -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(39), RechRdx-I(39), RechRdx-I(39)
Level 41: Ice Blast -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(42), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(42), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(43), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43)
Level 44: Frost Breath -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(45), Posi-Dmg/Rng(45), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(45), Posi-Dam%(46)
Level 47: Ice Storm -- Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(A), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg(48), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(48), Ragnrk-Knock%(50)
Level 49: Frozen Armor -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def(50), LkGmblr-Rchg+(50)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Containment
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(34)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-End%(13), EndMod-I(13)
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LOCAL MAN! The most famous hero of all. There are more newspaper stories about me than anyone else. "Local Man wins Medal of Honor." "Local Man opens Animal Shelter." "Local Man Charged with..." (Um, forget about that one.)
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