Ice Armor & Chilling Embrace Woes :(


BunnyAnomaly

 

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Hi friendly stalkers

This is more of a heads up and an unhappy face too.

Chilling Embrace has an unfortunate, unexpected (to me!) effect with how it interacts with being Hidden.

When you enter the Hidden status due to not attacking in the last 8 seconds and have no aggro, Chilling Embrace suppresses so it cannot draw you out of this state.

When you enter Hidden due to Placate or Stalker's Guile: Chance to Hide, it continues to tick and will break the status almost immediately. Even with an attack queued after either of these effects, it only has a 50/50 chance of critting because the Hidden status is ended before the attack even starts.

Much to my disappointment I have had to remove Chilling Embrace from my build because the Stalkers Guile: Chance to Hide is worth more than the slow to me.


 

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Yeah, it's a real downer too, since Chilling Embrace also offers a -damage effect to anyone around you


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Originally Posted by BunnyAnomaly View Post
When you enter Hidden due to Placate or Stalker's Guile: Chance to Hide, it continues to tick and will break the status almost immediately. Even with an attack queued after either of these effects, it only has a 50/50 chance of critting because the Hidden status is ended before the attack even starts.
Does anyone know if this is also the case with Cloak of Fear or the disorient cloak from Dark Armor?


 

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Originally Posted by zretchen View Post
Does anyone know if this is also the case with Cloak of Fear or the disorient cloak from Dark Armor?
Assuming they do function the same way the effect is likely to be far less drastic.

Chilling Embrace ticks twice a second.

Oppressive Gloom ticks once every 2 seconds.

Cloak of Fear ticks once every 5 seconds.

That should give a significant window to make an attack while still in stealth.


 

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Gah, I missed the thread....

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=286973

Sorry about that. From reading the other thread about OG and CoF, it seems to have more to do with the fact that the mobs are still debuffed when you auto-hide from placate than the fact that it "ticks" while you are hidden. I wonder if that's the problem with chilling embrace. Because it's auto-hit, persistent, and doesn't prevent return attacks (unlike a fear or disorient), any mob debuffed by it will still be attacking you when placate fires. The 50/50 chance might just be the additional defense from unsuppressed hide causing the mobs to miss and not interrupt you.

I've had situations were I didn't wait "quite" long enough before charging into the next pack and while the status showed me as hidden, the mob was turning as though they knew I was there. I probably have a better than 50/50 chance to channel through an AS even if something is swinging at me just due to defense.

Only level 27 now, so it's a lot of theory. After CU, I shouldn't need to worry about bothering to use AS out of hide ever again.