-Regen Lore attacks + (-MaxHP) interface = ?
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blueruckus,
Posted on: 2012-03-31 10:01 in Player Questions
AV's resist to -regen I am not sure how much it drops but usually AV's have %89 regen resist.
I would go with degenerative since there is no resist to -max HP and it roughly works like a resist debuff and it also lowers regen by same margin (which is at least %3)
The Degenerative -Max HP debuff works strangely - against AVs, it doesn't do a percentage of HP, it always does exactly -150 HP. With a full 4 stacks, I believe it works out to being worth something like 2 DPS.
Realistically, due to the way AVs resist -regen debuffs and such, I'm pretty sure Degenerative wins NOT because of the -Max HP, but because of the toxic DoT which is unlikely to be resisted.
Unfortunately, I don't know enough about exactly how AV regen is calculated to actually do the math.
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That changed with i22 it does -1000 max hp debuff on AV's now which is roughly %3 (give or take .25) of AV's max Health
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Originally Posted by Blue_Fenix
The Degenerative -Max HP debuff works strangely - against AVs, it doesn't do a percentage of HP, it always does exactly -150 HP. With a full 4 stacks, I believe it works out to being worth something like 2 DPS.
Realistically, due to the way AVs resist -regen debuffs and such, I'm pretty sure Degenerative wins NOT because of the -Max HP, but because of the toxic DoT which is unlikely to be resisted. Unfortunately, I don't know enough about exactly how AV regen is calculated to actually do the math. |
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Hi. Searched you and saw your post in the "Interface Quandary" thread.|
Originally Posted by Kangstor
AV's resist to -regen I am not sure how much it drops but usually AV's have %89 regen resist.
I would go with degenerative since there is no resist to -max HP and it roughly works like a resist debuff and it also lowers regen by same margin (which is at least %3) |
From the discussion there and your DPS test vs. a pylon: Degen's T4 radial > Reactive's T4 radial, which is good, and I could definitely live with that no matter what degree of Lore -regen I'm getting.
And if I understand the discussion in another thread, the recent change to Interface: Degenerative, gives it a flat -3.5% MaxHP for all enemy classes. So I think I'm good overall.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Fenix
The Degenerative -Max HP debuff works strangely - against AVs, it doesn't do a percentage of HP, it always does exactly -150 HP. With a full 4 stacks, I believe it works out to being worth something like 2 DPS.
Realistically, due to the way AVs resist -regen debuffs and such, I'm pretty sure Degenerative wins NOT because of the -Max HP, but because of the toxic DoT which is unlikely to be resisted. Unfortunately, I don't know enough about exactly how AV regen is calculated to actually do the math. |
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Originally Posted by Kangstor
That changed with i22 it does -1000 max hp debuff on AV's now which is roughly %3 (give or take .25) of AV's max Health
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Fire wins out on iTrials (http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=286689) since most AVs there don't resist fire at all...surprisingly enough. A few less don't resist toxic either. However, Antimatter and AoH each resists 80% of toxic. Then again, iTrials = guaranteed stack cap for Reactives.
So I guess it's conceptually reasonable for a Captain America clone to have her gloves and shield coated with toxins.
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Diamagnetic -regen is pretty laughable, you'll get better results from Degenerative. You'll have better -regen, toxic DoT, and overall have to do less damage from -MaxHp (4000 hp on pylon).
One pretty big bummer about -MaxHP is AVs on trials. If you use an analyzer (You can use temps against Diabolique) you'll see that they have a very low base MaxHP but have a HUGE MaxHP buff called Scaling. I'm assuming this buff is based off how many people overall in the league. What this means is that Degen affects base HP so the effect is very minimal since the bulk of HP comes from Scaling. Still, everyone runs reactive so you're still getting the toxic dot effect from Degen that no one uses.
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Originally Posted by blueruckus
Diamagnetic -regen is pretty laughable, you'll get better results from Degenerative. You'll have better -regen, toxic DoT, and overall have to do less damage from -MaxHp (4000 hp on pylon).
One pretty big bummer about -MaxHP is AVs on trials. If you use an analyzer (You can use temps against Diabolique) you'll see that they have a very low base MaxHP but have a HUGE MaxHP buff called Scaling. I'm assuming this buff is based off how many people overall in the league. What this means is that Degen affects base HP so the effect is very minimal since the bulk of HP comes from Scaling. Still, everyone runs reactive so you're still getting the toxic dot effect from Degen that no one uses. |
Just got my +3 level on this toon, so I'll focusing on putting all of my iDrops into building my T4 Degen over the next several days.
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I'd like to move away from Interface:Reactive once and for all, with a natural (female Captain America clone; StJ/SD) toon that wants to be an AV defeater once she's all T3/T4'd out.
Warworks and Longbow seem like the only conceptually fitting Lore pets for her, and I went with Warworks (prototypes on loan from Stark Industries).
So with a so-so amount of -regen coming from my Lore (ACU's energy guns) ...which complement would give me the better result?
1.) Adding on more -regen (via Interface: Diamagnetic; let's assume the T3's 100% proc) or,
2.) Adding on -Max HP (via Interface: Degenerative; let's assume the T4's 25% proc with the 75% toxic DoT adder)
Does anyone have any experience with the -regen/-MaxHP combo?
How are the results?
Can any math pros calculate what the results should be?
Thanks!
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